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Post by Kassandros on Oct 27, 2008 11:18:43 GMT -5
ok... then we agree about the tender of Macedonians not to intermix with non Macedonians.. EVEN if they were Greeks... let alone non-Greeks! Not even under consideration! That part finished. So.... the fact that others non-Macedonians could live next to Macedonians but that was not a reason for intermarriages.... we agree on that until now. .right? So... the main excuse of Fyromians that Macedonia was a passage during Ottomans times and that is why everybody is mixed... fails! Lets move before Ottomans years now... Kastorianos "But that doesnt mean that the macedonian side of my family is now pure macedonian since ancient times. They could be very well also descendants of Bulgarians or Serbs...mixed with Greeks. And I say that despite the fact that they didnt speak or understand a word of bulgarian." ----------------------------------- Your proposition is based on the word "could".....means.... again speculations. My propositions based on continouance. Since Macedonians during the 500 hundrend years of ottoman era.. .were hostile to strangers..... why shouldnt they were hostile to strangers (and even to Greeks! despite the fact they felt Greek), from before since this was their culture? .... especially when these strangers were unfamiliar tribes on attack! and for sure non Greeks ?
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 27, 2008 12:29:53 GMT -5
So what does that mean? My mother speaks Turkish.... does that make her a Turk. She was there for 10 years from 48 to 58.... so does my dad... She worked for a French industrialist..she even learnd some French.. So what's your point?That his yaya was an alb?
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Post by proleteriat on Oct 27, 2008 12:37:28 GMT -5
yaya is probably Albanian Rex funny how Greeks are so paranoid about having Albanians in their family
this reminds me of my friend, her yaya is from Dropulli, she speaks Greek, the only person in her family who does, her dad forbid his kids from learning Greek(even though thats his mother Lol) and he forbidds her from telling anyone about her Greek g-ma...now my friend is one of the most anti-Greek people i know, im surprised ur Greek friend didn't have a heart attack Rex ;D
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 27, 2008 14:53:58 GMT -5
Isn't that the same pic you showed us of your dad and mom?
Yah Rex..all Greeks are Albanian... I can trace my side 500 years back..... as do most Greeks...you buddy was too ashamed to admit he has Albanians in his family... tell him he just lost his Greek card.... he might as will be gypsy( not that anything is wrong with gypsies)when you talk of a Vlach mixture,.... WTH do you think that is..?
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 27, 2008 15:03:01 GMT -5
ok guys...nice story.. but thats a different thread!! Before I delete all the irrelevant to the thread posts... can we go back to our discusion please? !!!
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Post by proleteriat on Oct 27, 2008 15:18:34 GMT -5
Isn't that the same pic you showed us of your dad and mom? tell him he just lost his Greek card.... unless he became famous, then you'd be on all fours kissing his ass, claiming how Greek he is, lol hypocritical bastards, the slavs in Fyrom are geniouses this is poetic justice my unfellow balkanian
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 27, 2008 16:25:58 GMT -5
Are you trying to form on sentence without being an A-hole? Try it ..or leave us be.... and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 27, 2008 16:48:12 GMT -5
Yeah I remember that..but it does look like the other one you posted a bit.
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Post by proleteriat on Oct 27, 2008 16:52:48 GMT -5
Are you trying to form on sentence without being an A-hole? Try it ..or leave us be.... and don't let the door hit you on the way out. I only insult those who insult me first besides i joined this forum cause it said "Illyria" then i see Greeks posting in the Albanian forum all the time, where im from thats enough cause to be defensive lol
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 27, 2008 16:57:32 GMT -5
Illyria is what attracted us too. Afterall, Dorians seek Dorians..
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 27, 2008 17:36:53 GMT -5
We made you... we told your story..without us you be like the gypsies that roam Europe... Now make us proud and make something of yourselves... ;D
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 27, 2008 17:56:59 GMT -5
No..I was talking to the black guy sitting behind you.... ;D
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Post by Kastorianos on Oct 28, 2008 4:34:34 GMT -5
and what is your theory about purity? its a could as well, at best a should. Its the same way speculative...the native macedonians are a very mixed people, accept it finally, our region has been overrun several times by many invadors from Germanic tribes till slavs...turks etc. To be believe you are pure Macedonian since ancient times is absurd, perhaps you even are...but the possibility is some 0,01%...99,9% of the Macedonians surely are not. As if genetic purity would make us Macedonians. Even Alexander the Great was just half Macedonian, so what are you looking for??
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 28, 2008 4:41:37 GMT -5
Rex "I cant imagine attacks ...the only ones I can imagine were the ones from the 600ad when slavs swamped in and of course any historic turmoils..... ala-zervas style " --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rexy bellow is Thessaloniki's history in short sentences illyria.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=makedoniamacedonia&action=display&thread=2499What attracts me are the following.. 6th century AD: Emperor Herakleios turns the Eastern Roman Empire to the Byzantine Empire with Greek as the main language 9th century AD: The Thessalonikian brothers Methodios and Cyrilous teach Christianism to the Slavic population in Balkans. Also they create a Slavic dictionary so as to help them in communicating with Byzantines. 904 AD: Saracen pirates enter and destroy the city. 9th-10th century AD: Continuous attacks to the city by Bulgarians. Failure to capture the city. So... first we have the acceptance of Slavs in Byzantine Empire as a reality... then we make them Christians...(here is where you said that the population is became mixed).. BUT.. there are these continoues attacks in the city at 9th and 10th century! The question is... since the population became mixed, WHY the attack of mixed Bulgarians/Greeks to Thessaloniki where other mixed Bulgarians/Greeks were leaving?? Also, if the Slavs were mixed with the local Macedonians lets say..... who were the... Greek... defenders of the city??? I have gaps mate with your mixed wannabe tribes in Balkans.. The more I search this issue... the more I found how distinctive the ethnic groups in Macedonia were, and the more how they were fighting always based on their racial or even tribal differences... Mate... these people couldnot have being under any kind of intermarriages or any kind of racial mixing etc etc with an "enemy" that existed since ever. The enemy was always the "others"... "the not-us"... "the passengers"... "the non-Dopioi" whatever their name or ethnicity was.
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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 28, 2008 14:31:19 GMT -5
Kastor is right on one thing, if you didnt intermix, then you inbred. Especially in small village environments where there are only so many villages. This is something that occurred very frequently among northern Albanian tribes during the Ottoman era. Because of the radical conservative character of the people they only intermarried within each tribe or among different tribes (to forment alliances and such). But there were only so many clans and the end result is you might be unknowingly marrying a cousin, even though he was from another clan.
Adding fresh new blood is a necessity if you dont want inbreeding.
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 28, 2008 21:00:59 GMT -5
I think I am related to my wife. ;D
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 29, 2008 8:05:05 GMT -5
the ntopioi Makedones like you the Slav rate will be at about 20-30% I guess. Remember the term ntopioi isn't exclusive to slavophones...I for one am certainly not a slavophone... .
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Post by Kastorianos on Oct 29, 2008 17:18:12 GMT -5
by ntopioi I mean the Greek Macedonians.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Oct 29, 2008 17:49:49 GMT -5
Ancient Macedonia was a Greek kingdom situated in the north end of Greece. It became the most powerful Greek state during the 4th century bc after the decline of Athina (Athens) and Sparta. Under the leadership of King Philippos II and his son Alexandros III (Alexander the Great) the Macedonian army conquered most of the world and created the world's largest empire ever, including South-East Europe, most of Asia and North Africa. After the death of Alexandros, Macedonia followed the fate of the rest of Greece. It became a Roman province, later a Byzantine province, it was occupied by the Ottoman empire and finally it became part of the indepented Greek state in 1912. Today a Slavic nation attempts to adopt the history and culture of Macedonia as their own and present themselves to the world as " Pseudo ethnic Macedonians" and "descedants of ancient Macedonians" This is a blatant attack against Greece and its world wide respected history. The FYROM Slavs who claim to be Pseudo "Macedonians" have no historical, cultural or linguistic relation with ancient Macedonia. They descended into the region not before the 6th cent. A.D. long after Ancient Macedonia was homogenized with the rest of Greece. Their Pseudo 'Republic of Macedonia' occupies less than 10% of Ancient Macedonia. Therefore their claim on ancient Macedonia's name, history, culture and symbols can not be justified....
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Post by Kassandros on Nov 2, 2008 5:44:09 GMT -5
Kastoriane and Rex.. here is what I found for you... Racial Reality.. . I love how it starts with the Greeks.. " It's been said that modern Greeks are racially different from their ancient predecessors, having over the centuries mixed with slaves and foreigners, including Negroids **, and lost an allegedly Nordic character. The scientific data, however, shows tremendous continuity and near purity among Greeks, as well as a virtual absence of Nordic racial elements since the beginning of Greek history ** (most propably he would love to add "from Commounist and AngloSaxon propaganda machines.. ) racialreality.110mb.com/
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