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Post by Kassandros on Nov 2, 2008 5:45:20 GMT -5
I win!! Macedonians are PURE racially! Any objections? PS. And thats not a Greek research!
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 2, 2008 6:04:24 GMT -5
What does this site say? the studies presented have just as result that the non european influence on Greeks has to be very low. But it doesnt say anything about mixing with slavs, so slavic influence (on Macedonians for example) because slavs are europeans as well. It is simply absurd to say about a region that looked even not 100 years ago something like that that its inhabitants are pure, this is wishful thinking and even childish.
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Post by Kassandros on Nov 2, 2008 6:24:21 GMT -5
Your map shows nations in Macedonia. No problem with that. Our discussion had to do with "if these nations were intermixing". The racial study shows that Greeks carry the same genetics with ancient Greeks. That means that .... despite the nations and the invadors passiong through Greece.... no intermarriages were happening ..... that is how you keep the same genetics.. What your map had to do with Genetics? Its a map of nationalities... not genetics.. PS. ... and by the way... your map shows my village and the sourounding area 100% Bulgarian.. I assure you that only 1 Bulgarian villages existed in a sum of 10 villages in the area.. Also show Giannitsa as Bulgarian although the Turks were the majority Also shows Monastiri without even one dot for Greeks when Greeks were the majority... It is not the most accurate map I've ever seen as it seems..
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 2, 2008 6:35:24 GMT -5
"The racial study shows that Greeks carry the same genetics with ancient Greeks. " Based on what?They write a sentence I can do it the same way and say we are 100% German. How many people have been tested , where did they take the comparison specimens from, what Greeks did they test, and of course...what markers do characterize a Greek? Nothing of this all to find in this site. They just give some further infos regarding the haplogroup tests but those dont say anything usually.
Wherever a region is mixed the people are as well. You never know when your ancestors could have been assimiliated once.
Greeks have never been the majority of Monastiri. Thats what they tell us in Greek schools perhaps... The map is indeed not 100% right. But I also said it looked something like that...its a tendency.
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Post by rusebg on Nov 2, 2008 6:36:48 GMT -5
Now Basil, this is really a wishful thinking. I can not talk much about other nations but I can say a few words about Bulgars who got married to women even from emperors kin and this is not an isolated case. If you want, I can give you examples starting from earlier Bulgar khans to the moment we fell under the ottomans. Of course, this is known because it reflects the highest classes of the society. Can you imagine what had happened between ordinary people?
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Post by greek1234 on Nov 2, 2008 6:37:08 GMT -5
Kastorianos, Basilmacedon only wanted to state that there is a genetic and racial connection between modern and ancient Greeks. Me and you know that, I don't think he literally meant 'pure'.
Basilmacedon, Kastorianos is a good and honorable person and it's part of his nature to judge things even if they can sometimes be a bit pessimistic.
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 2, 2008 6:39:43 GMT -5
If he doesnt ok. Of course there is a genetic connection between modern and ancient Greeks. But we are not 1:1 the same, thats impossible in Europe and especially in Macedonia.
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Post by Kassandros on Nov 2, 2008 6:56:00 GMT -5
Re guys... I just showed an form of evidence. At least is an evidence... Saying how hostile were the Macedonias until the last years to intermarriages and to not dopious in generally.. is an evidence. When we say "since we were leaving all together we're intermix".... thats seems more with a rumor of glabalization than an evidence..
That is what I'm saying.
PS. Greece1234 "Basilmacedon, Kastorianos is a good and honorable person.. " -------------------------------------------------- I nerver doubt that. Its just a conversation...about rumors, myths and realities.
Racial purity can be a myth for some countries so as to keep strong the national spirit on their citizens .... but on the other hand... racial intermix and the slogan "we're fully intermixed all of us" can be a myth spread by artificial nations like US etc where they want to pass that idea as for their citizens to have that national spirit over their new intermixed nationality. Also helps a lot to a global trend that helps to control people more easily (note.. I'm not against globalaization).
Both theories help some deeper causes... but for sure... the ones who fight for racial awarness and the ones who fight against racial awarness ... both have a deeper cause.
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