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Post by Kassandros on Oct 8, 2008 18:04:35 GMT -5
hellenichumanrights.wordpress.com/For the 250,000 Macedonians of Monastiri (Bitola in Vardarskan). "..ÁíáöÝñåé ðñüóöáôá ðáñáäåßãìáôá åëëçíéêþí ïéêïãåíåéþí óôéò ïðïßåò ç êõâÝñíçóç ôùí Óêïðßùí áðÝññéøå ôçí áßôçóÞ ôïõò íá áíáêôÞóïõí ôá åëëçíéêÜ ôïõò ïíüìáôá, áíôß ôùí óëáâéêþí ðïõ ôïõò åß÷áí õðï÷ñåþóåé íá õéïèåôÞóïõí. ÁñíÞèçêå ìå ôï åðé÷åßñçìá üôé ç áëëáãÞ "èá ìåôÝâáëëå ôçí ðñïóùðéêÞ ôïõò ôáõôüôçôá» êáé «äçìéïõñãïýóå ðñïóêüììáôá óôéò íïìéêÝò äéáäéêáóßåò"." Freedom for Macedonians
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 9, 2008 6:10:38 GMT -5
;D
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 9, 2008 7:56:40 GMT -5
Word in...Latest proposals are unacceptable... Greece should push for Vardarska Makedonija for all uses. Take it or they be dismembered ASAP !, we are going to VETO them out of the E.U also.
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Post by chalkedon on Oct 9, 2008 9:00:46 GMT -5
Arxilleas...Northern Macedonia is not a bad solution. I mean the country's name clearly shows that it is a geographical region and not an " ethnic macedonian nation ". Not to mention as language it will be known as makendonski....We all know that ancient macedonians spoke Greek ! There is not " macedonian " language.. so i say it meets our requirements. Skopje better accept it if they are smart, or else they will be in Greece's position back in the 1990's. I hope they veto, then we can have a party. Knowing how stupid gruevski is...he probably will
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 9, 2008 22:14:03 GMT -5
They don't deserve the name nor do they have historical rights to it, and they cannot be trusted. Republic of Northern etc; they still be calling them self's as Macedonians. Tha dis.
Look they are desperate to survive BUT not on our expense, time to squeeze some nuts, enough I say.
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 10, 2008 10:17:30 GMT -5
Whatever contains the word Macedonia in their Bulgarian heritage... is a bad solution for real Macedonians. I dont know about the rest of Greeks... but speaking for the Macedonians in Thessaloniki 98% of the people are against US/Nimetz proposals.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 10, 2008 13:11:05 GMT -5
in 1915 98% of Selaniki was Bulgarian heritage ....
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 11, 2008 13:23:43 GMT -5
Rex "in 1915 98% of Selaniki was Bulgarian heritage ...." -------------------------------------------------------------- You're confused Rex.. 1915 was 7 years AFTER the end of Macedonian Struggle where the MAJORITY (Macedonians) won the minority (Bulgarians.. Fyromians today ). They were never more than the Macedonians and thats why only one football club existed in the city IRAKLIS FC. 1908! www.iraklis-fc.gr/You're getting old and you're getting confused Rexy..
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Post by rex362 on Oct 11, 2008 13:27:32 GMT -5
I was roughing out the year ...dont be mr precise on me now....
early 1900's then ....even late 1800's ....just to cover my bases with you
and jews also
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 11, 2008 13:53:57 GMT -5
If the Bulgarians were the 98% Rexy... today my name would be Boris or Stanoslav.. lol lol Rexy.... they were never more than the Greeks. Jews were never more than the Greeks. Turks were never more than the Greeks. Always the majority in Thessaloniki were Greeks and that is why they prevail in the Macedonian Struggle who was a civil war WITHOUT armies. Just citizens. So.... somebody is telling lieees here Rexy.....
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Post by rex362 on Oct 11, 2008 14:17:58 GMT -5
well maybe not 98% ...I was just correlating that 98 from your quote as an example ...
but I would say a good 60 % for sure is safe to say ...in good ole Saloon
you know that Bulgarian empire was large ...and they shrunk it up after them balkan wars
also you should know that Bulgaria when in its prime was way more advanced than any other in the Balkans ..railroad system ,military strong ect. they must of had good allies ....
Boris .....anything else you want me to change ..?? ehehehe
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 11, 2008 19:07:09 GMT -5
Rexy...for one more time... if they were 60%... Thessaloniki would be Bulgarian today. Problem: If in a neighborhood there are 6 Bulgarian boys, 3 Jew boys, 2 Turkish boys... and some Greek boys... how many the Greek boys have to be to prevail to ALL the other boys without any external help (of course taking the fact that Greek boys are not packed with steroids and they dont know karate ? Simple as that. PS. The only time Greeks were a minority was for a period of 3 years when Turks started to execute them inside the city and the forced to go and hide in the villages around because the other Greeks started the revoloution in 1821 in the south. As you understand... to be a minority under that pressure for a period of 3 years in a city that exists 2,300 years.... is not something that worths to be mentioned.. Read about Thessaloniki... and then speak.. illyria.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=makedoniamacedonia&action=display&thread=2499
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Post by rex362 on Oct 11, 2008 19:29:57 GMT -5
ok maybe 49% then
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 11, 2008 21:17:46 GMT -5
If we continue posting on this issue and I continue to give you data.. we'll finish to Bulgarians been around 10-15% which was the original percentage. Can we avoid all these keystroking and accept the 10-15% ?
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 12, 2008 6:21:36 GMT -5
basili Fyrom rejected the proposals, the talks are now frozen for a year. We just Veto them all the way.
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 12, 2008 6:52:11 GMT -5
Happiness all over my face!! I hope all the talkings now will stop for ever!! We dint have talking back in 1904 and Macedonian Struggle. Talkings with them lead to nowhere... NO TALKINGS over Macedonia. My wish comes true day by day. In a weird way.... I started to like Gruevski.. . He helps me more with my plans.. more than Karamanlis..
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 12, 2008 7:11:38 GMT -5
Well said Basili, personally it’s the only way to resolve this once it for all. I know some will disagree here, I just can’t see it resolved any other way. Maybe the powers that are have planned this ? Remember nothing happens by accident but by design. As for Gruevski, the desporia Skopiani are looking for him, to shed some blood. He shall be awarded a medal for his controbution by Greece ;D
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 17, 2008 19:04:49 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Oct 17, 2008 19:21:39 GMT -5
If we continue posting on this issue and I continue to give you data.. we'll finish to Bulgarians been around 10-15% which was the original percentage. Can we avoid all these keystroking and accept the 10-15% ? Ok ..I will give ya 38.9 % and lets quit this ...I'm easy ;D
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 17, 2008 20:05:30 GMT -5
ok.. give the 38%... and 5 euros.
I feel like a cheap whore.. but what can I do. Life has become to difficult..
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