Patrinos
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 9, 2008 4:10:32 GMT -5
Hello there to all Greeks and non-Greeks on this forum. I have a few questions for specialists in Byzantine history: 1. Back in the 10-14 centuries did Byzantine Greeks consider the Vlachs as barbarian or they viewed them like they viewed their ancestors the Romans (that is, as non-barbarian) 2. Did the Byzantine Greeks consieder the Bulgarians as barbarian (in the same time period)? Did they ever during the Middle Ages consider the Bulgarians as non-barbarian? I am really really interested in finding answers to this questions. I would very much appreciate if you have the knowledge for the answers. Thanks Byzantine Greeks? , dude learn history, never had Byzantines Greeks but only Byzantines Byzantines? Can you please quote a "byzantine text"written by a "byzantine" that call himself and his compatriots as "byzantines" Ionians weren't Greeks? I've heard a rumor that they were proto-vulgars,true?
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Rhezus
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 9, 2008 4:33:12 GMT -5
Go and clean your ears, you have probably a lot of vax inside. Or you've heard wrong "rumors" again?!
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libofsha
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Post by libofsha on Oct 9, 2008 4:36:02 GMT -5
the truth is there was no homogenity in the work greek, it was an all inclusive term which was used to idnetify a group of people that had a common language,
as per byzantine, this is the era of greek obscurity, like for any other region during that time, there was NO greek identity, it was byzantine, get it through your thick skulls
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Patrinos
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 9, 2008 5:14:16 GMT -5
the truth is there was no homogenity in the work greek, it was an all inclusive term which was used to idnetify a group of people that had a common language, as per byzantine, this is the era of greek obscurity, like for any other region during that time, there was NO greek identity, it was byzantine, get it through your thick skulls A site about albo history will help you understand who where the Byzantines who accidently spoke Greek!!! Michael Attaleiates: www.albanianhistory.net/en/texts15/AH1038.html" Once he had ensured that he had indeed assembled a large army and forces fit for action, composed of Byzantine Greeks, Bulgarians and Albanians and of his own soldiers, he set off and hastened to Thessalonika.."Who were these mysterious people who spoke Greek,were orthodox,callled themselves Hellenes or Romaioi,lived in the same areas that Greeks lived until the begining of 20th century,were not Turks,Albanians,Bulgarians,Slavs etc etc?
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 9, 2008 5:32:07 GMT -5
It's all there in living color.... they know it... so does everyone else... what did you expect.. Patrino... for these historyless peoples around us to admit it...?
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libofsha
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Post by libofsha on Oct 9, 2008 5:35:37 GMT -5
ok, let me clarify, i'm not saying they weren't greek, that would be pretty dumb, i'm just saying the greek sense of identity as it is today did not exist at the byzantine dominium
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 9, 2008 5:49:24 GMT -5
Well, I have to agree with you in this case. Today we are a country with borders and a definite title and language. Back then we were a majority in an agglomeration of different peoples.. that came forth as time passed.
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 9, 2008 5:57:23 GMT -5
The following is a reference to Demetrius Chalcondyles who was a teacher at the University of Padua during the 1400's. The new and unsupported propagandists suggests that Greeks were manufactured during the 19th century, there was no concept of "Greece" prior to the 19th century, and that there were no Greeks that were conscious of any ancient Greek heritage prior to the 1800's. In the following excerpt Chalcondyles laments about enslaved Greece, draws a connection between the contemporary Greeks and ancient Greece, and expresses a kinship between the Greeks in Italy and the Greeks in Greece. And here is an engraving of a Greek church in Venice where Greeks formed a significant diaspora community starting in the 15th century. Outsiders were recording Greeks in diaspora communities centuries.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 9, 2008 6:01:21 GMT -5
Why do you think the Renaissance started the time it did?
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 9, 2008 6:01:41 GMT -5
As about the Byzantines, see what is written by writers who were with the crusaders Byzantines and Greeks were totally one people... illyria.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=hellasgreece&action=display&thread=2783&page=1And this; From one side it says 'Alexander King of the Hellenes' and from the other 'Augustus King of the Romans'Thus a Greco - Roman Empire, so can you please stop insulting our members intelligence now or yours for that matter ?
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 9, 2008 6:05:27 GMT -5
Without the Byzantines there would have been NO Renaissance Most ideas and technologies came out of the Greek Byzantines Empire, it is rumoured that the spoon or the fork was introduced to the Europeans from this Greek Byzantire...Before that it was known as the dark ages, Greece gave the world it's lights. .
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libofsha
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Post by libofsha on Oct 9, 2008 6:22:17 GMT -5
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 9, 2008 6:26:45 GMT -5
What.... you want to smoke hash?
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libofsha
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Post by libofsha on Oct 9, 2008 6:31:01 GMT -5
whatever that means
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 9, 2008 6:40:00 GMT -5
^ Words are cheap.
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