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Post by Teuta1975 on Aug 14, 2008 21:05:29 GMT -5
Karta, from inscriptions we have what was written and not what was spoken...therefore in that quotation there is something contradictory... as for the rest...they have always been bilinguals...when speaking to Greeks, in Greek and vice-versa...Greek heard and said: they speak Greek therefore they are Greeks... But aren't all populations closed to the borders bilinguals? (At least in Balkan?)
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Post by Arxileas on Aug 14, 2008 21:23:07 GMT -5
Ioannina-Paramithi-Parga (G. Schiró. Cronaca dei Tocco, p. 328-332, 394) In medieval documents, the term Epirus and Epirotians were considered synonymous with Albania and Albanians. Donnie as kartadolofonos has pointed out. Epirus was and is the name used to describe the people and its inhabitants. The word Epirus means mainland in Greek. Epirus is a genuine Greek word. with no Latin influence. Am highly sceptical at the supposing documents you show us, would be better had you shown us an original scan or source to it. It cannot be taken face value as it is I am afraid. Also if one was to better understand Etymology of the word "Greek" They’ll find this; Etymology of the word "Greek"
"O.E. Crecas (pl.), early Gmc. borrowing from L. Gr�ci "the Hellenes," from Gk. Grakoi. Aristotle, who was the first to use Graikhos as equivalent to Hellenes"Meteorologica" I.xiv) wrote that it was the name originally used by Illyrians for the Dorians in Epirus, from Graii, native name of the people of Epirus. "
The text is from Oxfords online etymology dictionary. No propaganda sites here....www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=Greek&searchmode=none
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Post by Arxileas on Aug 14, 2008 21:30:00 GMT -5
Let's examine King Pyrrhus of Epirus. Polybios 9.37.7-39.7 let's look at the Oxford's etymology tool and see what it says about the root of the word Pyrrhus.....
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Post by Arxileas on Aug 14, 2008 21:33:53 GMT -5
Back on topic: The Frontiers of Language and Nationality in Europe Leon Dominian 1917 An unbiased source "Leon Dominian at 1917" Thanks chicagogeorge ;D .
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 14, 2008 21:42:33 GMT -5
Delvino had a strong Greek language element due to commerce. However according to the 17th century Turkish traveler, it was mostly a Muslim city by its time. Outside the city there are various Greek villages. The city remains till today a Muslim dominated today. Today, I believe, more then in past actually due to the influx of Cams.
Yes, Janina was always a Greek majority and the city that was absorbed into Greece had regrown under the patronage of Ali pasha.
The Greek insurrection in southern Albania occurred with the support of Greece. It contained some Orthodox Christian Albanians but it was mostly a Greek rebellion supported by paramilitaries that were sent in from outside of Albania. Elements of it included large number of Cretan troops.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 15, 2008 0:41:46 GMT -5
“Arha Ellas apo Oricias kai arhegonos Ellas Epiros“ “Greece starts at Oricus and the most ancient part of Greece is Epirus. North of the gulf the first inhabitants are Greeks, called Epirotes, as far as the city of Epidamnus, which is situated on the sea Epirus was at one time subject, first to Chaones, afterwards to Molossi. Their power was greatly strengthened by the family of their kings being descended from the Æacidæ, and because the ancient and famous oracle of Dodona was in their country. Chaones, Thesproti, and next after these Cassopæi, (who are Thesproti,) occupy the coast, a fertile tract reaching from the Ceraunian mountains to the Ambracian Gulf.” The Albanian language and culture, including the shqipetar, dardan & dalmat ethnonyms are not European, nor are they Illyrian in origin either, as we shall see below. Although the Dardanians were not originally Illyrians, they ARE the ancestors of many living Albanians & the culture-bearing population that brought Albanian culture, Albanian language & Albanian ethno-tribal identity to the Balkans Romans massacred 150 000 Illyrians in Central (Illyris) & Epirus. What was left of the Asiatic Dardanians then gradually moved into Central Illyris after 168 BC. There, they mixed with the small surviving Illyrian population. Centum (western branch) Germanic Venetic IllyrianCeltic Italic GreekTocharian Albanian is a satem language, transplanted to the Balkans at approximately 1300 BC, when the culture bearers of Albanian ethno-tribal identity & language settled along the Thracian-Illyrian border Satem (eastern branch) Baltic Slavic AlbanianThracian Phrygian ArmenianIranian Indian
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Aug 15, 2008 4:25:38 GMT -5
Epiriots and Macedonian = Illyrian Tribes
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Aug 15, 2008 4:32:08 GMT -5
I dont see Ancient Greeks??? Iron Age 1000BC-800BC
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Aug 15, 2008 4:46:52 GMT -5
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 15, 2008 10:12:13 GMT -5
PrijesDardanian.... here is Ancient GREECEArha Ellas apo Oricias kai Arhegonos Ellas Epiros“ CHAONIA -MOLOSSIS -THESPROTIA “Greece starts at Oricum and the most ancient part of Greece is Epirus. Greek Colonies on Illyrian soil Apollonia, Epidamnus NORTHERN EPIRUS & Northern Epirotes( Greek tribe of the Chaonians.)
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Post by kinggentius on Aug 16, 2008 1:05:16 GMT -5
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 16, 2008 1:10:42 GMT -5
Do you like how much the forum has changed since your departure o Genti? ;D
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Post by kinggentius on Aug 16, 2008 2:47:57 GMT -5
Here are some reviews disagreeing with his opinion that albanians have no national identity and that Albania should be divided between Serbogreeks.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 16, 2008 11:55:57 GMT -5
Albanians schould make an research about the real Albanian heritage and not make Propaganda with the self Proclaimed Propaganda of chams who occupy Greek land with the help of the Nazis italians ,germans & albanian chams to fought and genocide the resistance Epirotes. Albanians today copy falsify greek history heritage and claim everything Albanian.
THAT PROPAGANDA OF ALBANIANS PISSSED ME OFFF
Since the ancient times Epirus, which Aristotelis called "Ancient Greece", was historically, ethnologically and geographically united and undivided.... CHAONIA MOLOSSIS THESPROTIA
Dont worry GREECE will not Invade Albania
Ethnic Greeks living elsewhere throughout Albania not only in minority zones. The are mixed villages outside this designated zone, even those with a clear majority of ethnic Greeks.
We Greeks and Albanians must learn from the mistakes we did in the past do not make the same mistake again !
Albanians Immigrants living elsewhere throughout Greece and Prospering.
Greece and Albania should be a bridge that brings closer the two peoples and creates close ties between them.
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Post by Arxileas on Aug 17, 2008 18:51:12 GMT -5
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Post by kinggentius on Aug 19, 2008 22:32:35 GMT -5
H. Charles Woods Geographical Review, Vol. 5, No. 4 (Apr., 1918)
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 19, 2008 22:43:49 GMT -5
Orthodox Authocephalous Church of Albania
bla bla bla... that s only Propaganda
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 24, 2008 23:38:25 GMT -5
Epirotes and Macedonians..... This is what Cambridge says.
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Post by chalkedon on Sept 25, 2008 6:12:31 GMT -5
there is a common misconception in our northern neighbors ( albania, fyrom ). They think that because of the population exchange done in the last century that we are some mixed soup of*group that do not have the right to stake claim to our ancient heritage. Instead of posting the obvious of maps and encyclopedias and such to them....i think it would be better if we explain it to them in terms they can relate to...
for example....
Im an albo and I have been living in the west side for all my life...During that time I leave my 10 kilos of coke in the house and take off for 10 months to lay low....meanwhile my neighbor comes in, makes himself comfortable... deals my blow, pimps my ho's and pretty much thinks he owns the place...
Now heres the question...when you get back do you
a) go ghetto on his a$$ b) share the ho's in the house w/ him or.... c) reclaim your property and set his ass straight...
be carefull....its a trick question...
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 25, 2008 19:43:57 GMT -5
Trolling, off topics and General chit chat will be removed without warning.
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