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Post by kartadolofonos on Sept 9, 2008 15:50:19 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 10, 2008 6:29:15 GMT -5
^ Your right karta. The communists should never made kosovo i metohia an automonous region Vardar is a sham
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 10, 2008 6:37:13 GMT -5
Novi, i think Vardarska within Serbia would make full sense. Every time some guy in fyrom tells me "srecan pat", every time i pay "edan evro" in "patarina" i know i am very close to Serbia!!
I think all albs would better live in albania where the weather is better close to the sea, since they dont do very well in agriculture or industry.
They should leave agriculture and industry (in vardarska,kosovo) to the serbs.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 10, 2008 6:50:15 GMT -5
^ Until vardar drops its territorial ambitions and its name l will be a happy man. It blows my mind that these people are so blinded by fanasty that they are effectively digging their own graves, and honestly l won't have any simpathy for them when that day comes.
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Post by diurpaneus on Sept 10, 2008 16:25:47 GMT -5
O Evraios Josip Broz Titos Herzl doesn`t agree
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Post by kartadolofonos on Sept 10, 2008 18:55:47 GMT -5
thanks Novi Pazar
this fukkc communist the did a lot of bad things do your country Serbia and my country Greece and our people today pay the biggest price of there faults from the past.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 11, 2008 9:33:22 GMT -5
Tito was brainwashing the people into unity and brotherhood ....the serbs were the commies
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 12, 2008 5:54:59 GMT -5
Excuse me dudes, are we going to charge TITO for TODAYS's america's actions?
i mean are we SO f**kING IDIOTS?
WAS THERE A PROBLEM WHILE TITO WAS IN POWER?
i want an answer.
I dont buy this Greece-Serbia brotherhood kind of shit. this is all lies, and from people who are lying. It is clearly western agenda in disguise. We have the brains to stop acting like hooligans in the football stadium but as clever and developed HUMANS
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Post by kartadolofonos on Sept 12, 2008 18:06:01 GMT -5
= YES
Tito's renaming of Vardar Banovina (South Serbia) as the Pseudo Republic of Macedonia in 1944 was a political statement. More than that, it was a territorial claim. It laid claim to territory in Greece
It is clear that the creation of Pseudo “Macedonia” as a new national entity was a way for the northern/communist neighbours of Greece to put a claim on Greek Macedonia, and to gain access to the Aegean Sea. To advance their goal of splitting Greek Macedonia away from Greece, they offered multifaceted support to the communist side during the Greek Civil War of 1946-49. The Greek communists were defeated but Tito and the Vardarskans did not abandon their illicit designs against Greek Macedonia. Following the fall of communism in the 90?s, the Yugoslav Province known as the Socialist Republic of Macedonia declared independence and took the name Pseudo “Republic of Macedonia”. Greece and the international community objected very strongly to this name, and the United Nations brokered the adoption of the provisional name (FYROM).
Macedonia is Greek. Monuments, names, history, traditions and legends, the vivid traces left behind by the civilization and sacrifices of the Greek Macedonians in present-day Greek Macedonia and beyond our present northern borders testify and proclaim that they are GREEK. We Greek Macedonians will keep this most beautiful and historic land of our fathers free and Greek for ever.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 12, 2008 19:32:37 GMT -5
you know nothing of Tito ...
Tito was a Marshal ...when he was in control (till he died ) their was no stupid stuff going on ....he kept things in check ...he died and then all the stupid stuff with your brother serbs started ...
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Post by kapetan on Sept 12, 2008 23:38:28 GMT -5
LMFAO wait wait wait...Bosnia and Kosovo were created by Tito?
LMFAO
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 12, 2008 23:59:45 GMT -5
"The (State) Department has noted with considerable apprehension increasing propaganda rumors and semi-oficcial statements in favor of an autonomous Macedonia... with the implication that Greek territory would be included in the projected state. This Government considers talk of Macedonian "nation," Macedonian "Fatherland," or Macedonian national "consiousness" to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece."
US SECRETARY OF STATE STETTINIUS December 26, 1944
"For three weeks the Partisan National Liberation Committee had been busy creating, on paper, the new Yugoslavia. Twice Tito had flown to Moscow, conferred with Stalin and the Peoples' Commissar for Foreign Affairs Vlacheslav M. Molotov...
The new power at once began to expand. Yugoslav Macedonians insisted that Yugoslavia's new Macedonian district should include not only Bulgarian Macedonia but Greek Macedonia."
TIME December 4, 1944
"I shall not indulge in a lecture on the ancient identity of the Macedonians and on Philip II of Macedon and Alexander the Great, but the Greeks were historically correct in the campaign that they launched in the early days of the dispute...
"Nor shall I engage in a lecture on the falsification of the history of Slavo-Macedonia since 1944, although that, too, has much hard factual content. I simply remind the House that Tito's renaming of Vardar Banovina as the Republic of Macedonia in 1944 was a political statement. More than that, it was a territorial claim. It laid claim to territory in Greece and in Bulgaria. Notably, the objective was the warm water port of Salonika on the Aegean."
[Mr. Edward O'Hara of the British Parliament]
ETHNICALLY AND HISTORICALLY: Skopjians
This thread will highlight the fact that the Skopjians/ Slavs of the region pre-Tito had a Bulgarian conscience/ identity and a Bulgarian description from foreign observers. It will also highlight the telling fact that EVERY single neutral map of the region never once mentioned a race of 'Macedonians'.
Rather the only races acknowledged in the region were Greeks (hence why Macedonians can only be Greek) and Bulgarians making up the majority in Vardar as well as Albanians, Roma, Turks and Vlachs
NOT ONE 'MACEDONIAN' of the race which suddenly numbered 2 million come Tito and the creation of the Macedonian Orthodox Church in 1967 and the renaming of 'Vardarska Banovina' to 'The Peoples Republic of Macedonia' after 1945
NOT one Ottoman census recorded a race of Macedonians. NOT ONE. Surely if it has been a Greek conspiracy to cover up an entire race of Macedonians the Turks would have done all they could to help Greece's enemy as Ataturk who was around at the time remarked "There I saw a race who I know to be my sworn enemy [Greeks]."
Any foreign observation described the Slavs of Macedonia traditionally as having migrated in the 7th century AD to the area. As well as that any foreign observers, ethnologists described them Bulgarian and to some extent in Northern areas, especially by Serbian nationalists, as Serbs
One thing is for sure is that there are thousands of documents ie Ottoman documents, foreign french english and german ethnological maps which simply NEVER ONCE existence of a Macedonian race/ ethnicity. There is however NOT ONE single document which can back up the skop claims and do their pathetic propagandists of FYROM a favour by giving a SINGLE mention of this 'Macedonian ethnicity'
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 13, 2008 0:30:17 GMT -5
"To advance their goal of splitting Greek Macedonia away from Greece, they offered multifaceted support to the communist side during the Greek Civil War of 1946-49. The Greek communists were defeated but Tito and the Vardarskans did not abandon their illicit designs against Greek Macedonia."
THATS ROYAL BULLs**t!!
The greek communists were defeated because Russia/England/USA had decided Greece to go to UK/USA sphere.
On the battlefields of Makedonia, the greek communists from 1949 were CUT any access to yugoslav supplies/hospitals. Tito commanded that no more help should be given to EAM ELLAS, ans so the greek communists were defeated and Greece went to the western sphere.
Very easy to comprehend even for a brainwashed agent!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 13, 2008 2:15:44 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 13, 2008 2:25:46 GMT -5
"The greek communists were defeated because Russia/England/USA had decided Greece to go to UK/USA sphere.
On the battlefields of Makedonia, the greek communists from 1949 were CUT any access to yugoslav supplies/hospitals. Tito commanded that no more help should be given to EAM ELLAS, ans so the greek communists were defeated and Greece went to the western sphere.
Very easy to comprehend even for a brainwashed agent!"
Pyrro, that is a very interesting comment. It reminds me of the Russian involvement for a greater Bulgaria (San Stefano) and the Bulgarian and Ottoman agreement that constantinople would be turkish while at the same time the ottomans allowed a Bulgarian exarchos to enter into vardar and brainwash these people as Bulgars......unbelieveable!.
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Post by rusebg on Sept 13, 2008 7:41:15 GMT -5
Novi, when speaking about Russian intervention for a Greater Bulgaria (which is bollocks, what was stated in the short-lasting San-Stefano treaty were territories inhabited by Bulgarians mainly, like it or not) would you be so kind to explain me in a few words how did Serbia gain her freedom and what was the Russian involvement in this process? And if Russia helped you, why do you moan she helped Bulgaria as well? Eh?
As for Vardar - the Ottomans didn't allow Bulgarians to enter Vardar. The region was inhabited by Bulgarians (alongside Greeks, Vlahs, Albanians and small number of Serbs) and they started their own struggle. You are talking bullcrap here. There was no Bulgaria at that time and it was all Turkish territory.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 13, 2008 9:01:56 GMT -5
RuseBG, Russia helped all balkanians to break free from turks. I think Greek Governor Kapodistrias or Ipsilantis (i dont remember) was an officer in Russian army...
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Post by rex362 on Sept 13, 2008 9:23:36 GMT -5
THE BEST PRODUCTIVE AND PEACE THERE WAS IN YUGOSLAVIA WAS FROM AFTER WW2 TILL THE DAY TITO DIED .
-HE KEPT THE PEACE -
FACT !!!!
CASE CLOSED
history after Tito's death speaks for itself ...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 13, 2008 10:17:29 GMT -5
Still, rex, the serbs were the LAST to DENOUNCE their yugoslav ethnicity, so anything about bad serbs is just stupid propaganda.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 13, 2008 10:49:13 GMT -5
ok ....the serbs are the greatest people and Gods gift to the world .
they came into the balkans 5-600ad with flare,finesse and grace and they still have that same flare,finesse and grace even today ...
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