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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jul 17, 2008 11:31:16 GMT -5
Spirit of Tartary
I must say that these are amazing pics and thanks for posting them.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jul 17, 2008 12:16:10 GMT -5
Åßíáé ôï óçìáíôéêüôåñï åëëçíéêü ãåöýñé, ãíùóôü ü÷é ìüíï óôç ÂáëêáíéêÞ, áëëÜ êáé óå Üëëåò ÷þñåò, êõñßùò ëüãù ôçò èáõìáóôÞò áñ÷éôåêôïíéêÞò ôïõ êáé ôïõ èñýëïõ ô çò èõóßáò ôçò ãõíáßêáò ôïõ ÐñùôïìÜóôïñá. Ï èñýëïò áõôüò Ýãéíå äçìïôéêü ôñáãïýäé, èÝìá ãéá Ýîé èåáôñéêÜ Ýñãá (Âïõôéåñßäçò, ÊáæáíôæÜêçò, ×üñí, ËÜìðñïõ, ÈåïôïêÜò, ÂñåôôÜêïò),åíþ ãñÜöçêáí äýï üðåñåò (Êáëïìïßñçò, Óáìïúëçò), êáé ðïëëÝò ó÷åôéêÝò ëáïãñáöéêÝò (êõñéüôåñåò ôùí Ã. ÌÝãá, Ãê. ÊïêêéÜñá, Ä. ×áôæÞ) ìåëÝôåò. Êáé âÝâáéá áöèïíïýí ãêñáâïýñåò, æùãñáöéêïß ðßíáêåò êáé Üëëá Ýñãá ôÝ÷íçò ìå èÝìá ôï ãåöýñé ôçò ¢ñôáò.
<BR>Ôï ãéïöýñé Ý÷åé èåìÝëéá ôùí êëáóéêþí Þ åëëçíéóôéêþí ÷ñüíùí - ôï áíáöÝñåé ï Ðëßíéïò - åðéóêåõÜóôçêå ðïëëÝò öïñÝò, ìå ôåëåõôáßá åðéóêåõÞ ôï 1612. Ôá âÜèñá ôïõ,ðÜíôùò,ìáñôõñïýí äïìÞ ôùí åëëçíéóôéêþí ÷ñüíùí êáé -êáôÜ ìåñéêïýò ìåëåôçôÝò-ðñÝðåé íá åßíáé Ýñãï ôïõ Ðýññïõ (3ïò ð.×. áéþíáò). Óôçí áíáôïëéêÞ Üêñç ôïõ, õðÜñ÷åé ï «ðëÜôáíïò ôïõ ÁëÞ»,üðïõ ï ÁëÞ-ÐáóÜò ôùí Éùáííßíùí êñåìïýóå ôïõò áãùíéóôÝò ôçò ÅðáíÜóôáóçò ôïõ 1821.
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Post by fannoli on Jul 17, 2008 13:57:12 GMT -5
Karda what makes you so sure its the bridge of Arta and not the bridge of Shkodra in the passport???
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Post by depletedreasons on Jul 17, 2008 14:12:26 GMT -5
Spirit of Tartary I must say that these are amazing pics and thanks for posting them. It is your welcome.
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Post by depletedreasons on Jul 17, 2008 14:13:46 GMT -5
Spirit of Tartary What do you want to show us with the Roman Aquaduct, Pasadere Aqueduct,Moglova Aqueduct,Gozluce Aqueduct, Kovuk Aqueduct,Uzun Aqueduct I was asked about architect Sinan, remember?
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jul 17, 2008 19:35:41 GMT -5
The Bridge of Arta it is more important Greek bridge, acquaintance not only in Balkan, but also in other countries, mainly because his her admirer of architecture and of sacrifice of woman The greek legend this became municipal song, subject for six theatrical work Chor and of course abound tables and other work of art on the subject the bridge of Arta. The Bridge of Arta has foundations of the classic and hellenistic years - was repaired many times over, with last repair in 1612. His pedestals, in any case, testify structure of hellenistic years from the time of Pyrros (3rd century) of Epirus
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jul 17, 2008 20:29:50 GMT -5
It is not the bridge of Arta Albanian Government has put in the passport, but any bridge within Albanian borders. It is not Albanian Government talking about the Bridge of Arta, but Greece government. Bridges are a symbol of connecting people and that's the message on that passport. But hey, look at the Greek government how they like to see the issue. It is a bridge like any other in Balkan (and in Albania) and since it exists in Albania, there is no reason why not to put in the passport. What do you want? Not to be used the word: passport - since it is not Albanian? Or let not use paper because it was whatever invention? The problem I see here is not in the bridge, but to the approach of Albanians towards the bridge (as symbol of connecting people) and Greece interpretation of it as a provocation! Why didn't Albanians put Brooklyn bridge on it? Simple: because it doesn't exist in Albania. Do you get the point?
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jul 17, 2008 21:46:25 GMT -5
give us a source who claims the opposite
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Post by Arxileas on Jul 17, 2008 23:41:42 GMT -5
It is not the bridge of Arta Albanian Government has put in the passport, but any bridge within Albanian borders. It is not Albanian Government talking about the Bridge of Arta, but Greece government. Bridges are a symbol of connecting people and that's the message on that passport. But hey, look at the Greek government how they like to see the issue. It is a bridge like any other in Balkan (and in Albania) and since it exists in Albania, there is no reason why not to put in the passport. What do you want? Not to be used the word: passport - since it is not Albanian? Or let not use paper because it was whatever invention? The problem I see here is not in the bridge, but to the approach of Albanians towards the bridge (as symbol of connecting people) and Greece interpretation of it as a provocation! Why didn't Albanians put Brooklyn bridge on it? Simple: because it doesn't exist in Albania. Do you get the point? I have no idea why you just blew your gasket just then !!! I don't think you read my post clearly...I take it the inferior complexes just took over the neurons in the nerve center and clouded your judgment ...People read btw the lines and chillax whilst reading, it helps and this is for everyone. .
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jul 18, 2008 20:51:01 GMT -5
Dear, Is it me who has gone blind, or you? Maybe it's me, for I fail to see the Bridge of Arta in the passport. I can see it clearly on the picture posted, but can you give me any further info that one it's the Bridge of Arta and not any other the same, in Albania (Shkoder and some other place in North? Or the one in Prizren?). Again, the bridge is any bridge. But if Karta will be kind enough to show us a clear picture of that passport and the bridge on it, I could reconsider my claims. Besides...I am not even sure that's Albanian passport Albanians use! It is (was) a different one when I used to be in Albania. Maybe it is changed. So...any info? Arxileas, Karta? As per the Bridge of Arta, there are many disputes, for Pliny mentions it. But somehow, look how many versions are there: 1. Epirus Panayiotis Aravantinos, the bridge was constructed during Ancient Roman times. 2. However, according to some traditions it was built when Arta became capital of the Despotate of Epirus, possibly under Michael II Ducas (1230-1271). 3. Other alleged construction dates vary from 1602 to 1606. Seraphim, the Archbishop of Arta, has noted that the bridge was built, according to some tradition, by an Artan grocer. ;D ;D It is not your post I am angry with, neither inferior complex (lol...why should I feel that way?). It is Greece government reaction that considers a provocation a very normal thing! But I think Greece reaction by considering the Bridge in Albanian passport a provocation is....a provocation...and it is indeed very naive! ----------------------------- almost forgot...who told you that we put the Greek bridge in the passport? We might very well (and most probably) have put there an ottoman (Turk) bridge...and look at turks...they are not claiming anything! Why are Greeks so hasty?
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Post by Arxileas on Jul 18, 2008 20:58:26 GMT -5
Albanians have Passports ? When did this happen !!!
;D
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jul 18, 2008 20:59:44 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D We took the habit of having a passport from Greeks I am afraid
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Post by Arxileas on Jul 18, 2008 21:01:39 GMT -5
We took the habit of having a passport from Greeks I am afraid
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jul 18, 2008 21:07:55 GMT -5
I am serious...passport is a Greek invention
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Post by atlantis on Jul 18, 2008 22:58:31 GMT -5
But it wasnt built by us. Its the same as showing some mosques of Ioannina...I dont care much (I personally) because I dont care for those buildings built by the Tourkalades, since they are a part of the dark epoche of our people's history. Same with the Luko Pyrgo of Thessaloniki, which the Skopjans printed on one of their notes...Thessaloniki and Arta are Greek cities, Im ready to defend their Greek heritage but under no circumstances their turkish. Kar,ta!!!! I would like to see your own picture.... If you'd be black.... I would pray for you .... If you’ look Chinese I respect you….
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Post by albquietman on Jul 19, 2008 1:10:10 GMT -5
I don't understand what's all this rumor about a bridge in a passport...and think about it, even greek government is involved in this non-sense thingy. As Teuta said, the brigge on the albanian passport is there for a reason, to show the others, and of course our neighbors that we are open on everything, and bridge symbols are always used for that. But the greek government is so short sighted, if not totally stupid to not understand the message on that passport...symbols are always there to send a message. But if we get so stupid as the greek government and start talkking about that bridge symbol in the albanian passport like it is some album about archeology, we can say that such bridges are all over Balkan, and it's the oldest design of the bridge, because in older times, bridges were made mainly of stone, and the arch design was the only one to make the bridge stand...have you ever wonder why the egg has that shape? Well, if you know that, you'll see how stupid it is to claim that bridge as a greek design, because chickens were the first ones, before greeks of course, to discover that... Anyway, to make the greek government to feel more stupid about herself, I'm posting a pic of a albanian bridge that is similar to the famous "greek" bridge in our passport.. Ottoman Bridge, Mes, AlbaniaThis structure is an Ottoman period bridge and viaduct at Mes, a village a few kilometers north of Shkodra. Called Ura e Mesit, the bridge was built about 1770 and spans the Kir River. It is over 100 meters long and was built on a very old roadway connecting Shkodra and Kosovo.Don't even try to claim this bridge as greek...it's too far from Greece...
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jul 19, 2008 1:18:48 GMT -5
;D I am not so sure about it AlbQ...but of course it is not Greek bridge because... ;D Greek bridge has 4 arcs...look at the Albanian one...you can answer me that the arcs depend on the length of the bridge...the longer the bridge the more arcs...and yet...for Greek government the bridge with four arcs is Greek...anything more or less is a poor imitation of the autoctonus Greek Bridge... ;D
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Post by albquietman on Jul 19, 2008 1:37:42 GMT -5
As you said Teuta, the number of the arcs of a stone bridge depend on the width of the river or the distance of the sides that the bridge has to connect...if greeks think that only the bridges with 4 arcs are greek design, that's fine with us, but if we have built bridges with more than 4 arcs, that means that we went further than greeks in building bridges...another albanian bridge in Berat The bridge in passport might be with 4 arcs, but that doesn't mean anything, because it's a symbol, and probably they made it with 4 arcs so it can be visible and understandable as a bridge, but obviously greeks took it as a provocation only after they counted the arcs of the bridge in that passport, and after they thought about the bridge in Arta, their conclusion was that bridges with 4 arcs are greek and only greek
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Post by Arxileas on Jul 19, 2008 1:41:29 GMT -5
Let’s try once again. Can you prove it’s not the bridge called ARTA which is located approx 400 miles in Greek border ? We are not discussing about any other bridge here in this topic BUT a bridge called ARTA. Do you understand English ? googleen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arta,_Greece F.uck the bridge it's the location what counts here. .
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jul 19, 2008 1:44:44 GMT -5
AlbQ...where is the image??? Arxileas (allow me to call you this way...the new name is too difficult) We are not discussing about the Bridge of Arta but how come a bridge similar to it on Albanian passport come to be considered as provocation by no less then,,,Greek government...
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