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Post by kartadolofonos on Jul 7, 2008 13:44:45 GMT -5
The town of Himara-×åéìÜññá, on the coasts of the Ionio Sea, between Avlona and Agii Saranta, below Akrokeravnia,presents a wild grandeur.It is the Ancient Greek town called Vorio Epirus/know as south Albania this part was cut off from Greece and given by the Powers to Albania. Vorio Epirus have a large Greek minority within Albania.
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 7, 2008 17:45:50 GMT -5
At least they have a sence of humor. Thats good.
Of course, reading some posts bellow the video... it easy to understand who is Albanian and who Turkalbanian...
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Post by Toskaliku on Jul 7, 2008 17:49:50 GMT -5
No such difference, all true Albanians are united in their distaste of our southern neighbor. Those other ones who can type so well in Greek are out, gone. They can stay in Greece and be happy. A new generation of Albanians is being born inside the Atdheu(fatherland) that has a new spirit from the last one.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jul 7, 2008 18:02:10 GMT -5
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Most of the Orthodox Albanians want unite with the Epirotes because the fear all this northern strange Turkalbanians who want only to stolen his properties and his land and turn on Álbania to an moslem State... Southern Albania will stay Orthodox 4 Ever.
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 7, 2008 18:50:41 GMT -5
Toskali "No such difference, all true Albanians are united in their distaste of our southern neighbor." --------------------------------------------------------- No such difference.. when being in Albania or talking to eachother... Many many Albanians I have met and talked to here in Greece.... differentiate VERY MUSH themselves from Muslim Albanians. They call them them too as "Turks". Also, many many Albanians here in Greece, feel like one more "lost" Hellenic tribe than something different... Even when they speak about Illyrians... they dont separate them from Dorians... or Epirots... So Toskali, as you can see by your own eyes in this forum, the Muslim members of the Albanian descent are the most Greek-haters. Its obvious. So, dont tell me you're all thinking the same... PS. Not to speak ofcourse how they feel about Kossovars.. They're happy they are free from Serbs.... but not even one chance of leaving together with them together. They are freak out with the idea of leaving together with "Turks" as they tell me... Sorry mate.. bad news for the much hatefull Greece
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 7, 2008 18:53:39 GMT -5
I know Karta.
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Post by Toskaliku on Jul 7, 2008 19:02:59 GMT -5
Not really. The Albanians with the biggest distaste are those who live next to Greeks. Dont speak to me about the country I was born in, the country my entire family belongs to. Those who hate Greeks most are Tosks. It should come as no surprise that in the south being called a "Grek" is like being called a Shkja(Serb) in the north.
Albanians in Greece are different. They have built an inferiority complex. I have seen the same with some of the Albs in Italy. Its what happens when you are surrounded by a racist society that makes you feel inferior.
And this forum doesnt represent anything. You want to see a real Albanian forum go to Forumi Shqiptar. Thats a real Albanian forum and, if you could actually read Alb, you should go visit the various sub-foums there.
On top of all that, its not like the Orthodox Christians in the forum have ever been pro-Greek. Not a single one, whether it was Suliot, Kapedani,Mike etc. etc.
Actually, thanks to the actions of Greece, the inflow of Cams into the south has significantly changed the religious structure of it.
You people dont know anything about Albania yet you continue to open your mouth. Like I said, Albs of Greece are not indicative of actual Alb feelings, just that of a suppressed ethnic identity.
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 7, 2008 19:37:20 GMT -5
"Those who hate Greeks most are Tosks." --------------------------------------------------------------- "Chams" you mean... right? "It should come as no surprise that in the south being called a "Grek" is like being called a Shkja(Serb) in the north." --------------------------------------------------------- Dont you find it a little bit weird too? With Serbs you had a war. With Greeks never. How that happens? A bre Toskali.... you have to grow older to learn what propaganga means... As far you hate the power of Hellenism... you're a good Albanian.. lol lol lol "Albanians in Greece are different. They have built an inferiority complex" ---------------------------------------------------------- All Greek immigrants in AngloSaxon countries had that inferiority complex. I've never seen them speaking with discuss or separate themselves from the "other" Greeks "On top of all that, its not like the Orthodox Christians in the forum have ever been pro-Greek. Not a single one, whether it was Suliot, Kapedani,Mike etc. etc." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The opposite of pro-Greek... is not Greek hater. Have you ever thought of the word ... "indifferent" ?
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Post by Toskaliku on Jul 7, 2008 19:47:36 GMT -5
No, not just Chams. Tosks in general. How many times will I have to repea myself.
"Hate the power of Hellenism"? You dim can you get with such comments? I dont give a flying F*** about Hellenism nor its imaginary power. We havnt had a war with either Serbia or Greece. But, if you knew history, you would know of the damage Greek guerilla's did to the southern portion of my country. The portion I come from. Everyone knows about the vicious killing of innocent Albanians committed by armed Greek guerrilla's at a time when Serbs were doing the same in our north.
No, what happened later with Serbia didnt occur with Greece since you guys were smart enough to exterminate the Albanian communities in your country.
Its not "idifferent". Go to the south, say Greek, see the huff and puffs, the angry grunts, the rolling eyes. The bad stares. Thats what saying "Greek" ends up with. If you say something in their defense, the response is "te dhjefsha Greket... racista muti"(f**k Greeks, s**tty racists).
Because they dont know other Greeks. You guys already have differentiated Albanians. You guys already have the "good" and the "bad" Albanians. Thats why an Albanian can do it in Greece. Its the same in America at times. When you hear of a certain crime, youll see the regionality come out: "ahh, it was a Kosovar". Its the result of long separation. Its dying out now. Kosovars are the biggest tourist group in the south. They are as far as Ksamil in Sarande. So its changing fast.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jul 7, 2008 20:00:24 GMT -5
Epirotes and Orthodox Albanians,Greek Arvanites,Greek Vlachoi all together are Blood Brothers will take her guns and fought all the Turkalbanians invaders back were he come from.
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 7, 2008 20:01:30 GMT -5
""Hate the power of Hellenism"? You dim can you get with such comments? We havnt had a war with either Serbia or Greece. But, if you knew history, you would know of the damage Greek guerilla's did to the southern portion of my country. The portion I come from. Everyone knows about the viscious killing of innocent Albanians committed by armed Greek guerrilla's at a time when Serbs were doing the same in our north. No, what happened later with Serbia didnt occur with Greece since you guys were smart enough to exterminate the Albanian communities in your country." -------------------------------------------------------------- toskali all these "innocent Albanians" and the "exterminated commounities" you're reffering to.... are the ones who were collaborators of Mousolini and German Nazis? Because what I know is that half the Albanians who were against Nazism and Fascism were helping the Greek soldiers. The ones who were collaborators.. were enemies. I thing that you forgot that Greece.... ATTACKED by these people. They attacked! our country. It was not a game.. nor an expansionist war for Greece. It was an answer to an ATTACK! How do you responce to attacks? You throw flowers? "Its not "idifferent". Go to the south, say Greek, see the huff and puffs, the angry grunts, the rolling eyes. The bad stares. Thats what saying "Greek" ends up with. If you say something in their defense, the response is "te dhjefsha Greket... racista muti"(f**k Greeks, s**tty racists). " ------------------------------------------------------------ That is what you want to happen and that is what propaganda may couse someday to happen. What in reals happen... has nothing to do with that. A Greek friend who visited South Albania told it was very nice... as far as you dont accossiate with Turkalbanians who are coming in the south in great numbers the last years. Most propably we go back to that "Turkalbanian" word when it comes to the relation with Greece or Greeks ... "No, not just Chams. Tosks in general. How many times will I have to repea myself." --------------------------------------------------------------- Those 200-300 people with the Albanian flags in the borders... are representing the... population of Tosks? Why do I have the feeling you're stating what you want to happen and not what it really happpens?
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Jul 7, 2008 20:09:46 GMT -5
Why do greeks try to make diffierences amongst Albanians. I am an Albanian from Kosovo and of muslim background and I don't particularly love or like Turks. Stop your nonesense to try and stir up our religious tolerance we have carried for centuries. You can be whatever faith to be Albanian but you MUST be orthodox to be Greek or Serbian... That shows how "westernised" your "brotherhood" is.
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Post by Toskaliku on Jul 7, 2008 20:11:36 GMT -5
It was before WWII. It was right after WWI. And I have a good amount of primary accounts on Greek actions in Albania during WWII.
Its the other way around. Again, I know my people; you dont. Its Tosks in general. Every time they hear some news of an Albanian being mistreated in Greece they burst out in long lectures on how Greeks are animals and hate Albanians, and how they are all racist. Its the same lecture, whether the man is Orthodox or Muslim. The same speech. Whether from my uncle, or a random person from Saranda. Tosks know first hand about Greek hospitality more then Ghegs. They comment on it alot. Especially those who just returned from Greece.
And you should know one thing about Albs. The hospitality is very deceiving. They will hate you but will act very nice to you, especially if you come with money. The hatred will never manifest physically. It is a deep down hatred. I see how it happens among Albanians here in US. You have tons of Albs who have Greek friends, but when they are just around Albs, "Greeks are bastards", they say. They will say things like, "Kosovars are different from us", but will say it just to appeal to the person next to them without actually meaning it.
Its funny, because in Albania. Those Albs who just came from Greece are the ones with the biggest hatred of Greeks. They pass around all the stories of what they endured. Those same Albs who said what they said to you, go to Albania and say the complete opposite when its all over.
I know its the same with Greeks. Those same Greeks who befriend Albs do have their moments when burst out with "lowlife Albanians", "criminal Albanians". I know the game.
PS: Chams alone are more than 200-300 today.
Again, you dont know Albanians; nor Albania.
Divide et Impera.
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 7, 2008 20:28:21 GMT -5
Toski... you let these pages here influence the way you think..good thing and as a compliment to you..I read most of your posts.
What a brain fart..."don't talk to me about the country I was born in'
Only a minor detail...I came to NY as a preteen.... and my dads best friend is Greek....
Thats what you have said over and over again... What has changed?
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Post by Toskaliku on Jul 7, 2008 20:36:44 GMT -5
Yea, he has Greek friends. He works in shipping so its bound to happen. Even he though, the person I know who lacks almost all sense of nationalism and comes from a rigidly Socialist heritage with strong pro-Rus history cant say good words for Greeks in general, just on an individual basis. Why? Well I know why, because thats what happens when you born to a Tosk family. His views are weak compared to the others, where Greeks are little other then despicable.
Its been a long time since my old self. It wasnt this forum that changed me, it was finally being free to return to Albania, to see the old family there. This forum was a minor thing. This year I plan on staying in Albania all throughout december and will soon have a house in Vlora and in Durres. Helping me further connect.
So, Canaris, stop trying to act like you know me. Like I said, this forum is the joke forum for me. It where I come to get some entertainment.
This Greek here is coming and making claims that are complete BS. The fact that he is making claims about Tosks is even more annoying. He has his own predetermined views that he tries to turn into reality when its clearly not. Greek, in southern Albania, is a hated term. A term used as an insult. Im not the one who will tell you this, ask other Tosks in the forum, they dominate here
Divide et Impera.
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 7, 2008 20:43:38 GMT -5
No,of course I don't know you... but your last trip to Albania.. you posted pics of it... and you said you enjoyed yourself... and even visited Greece... and according to you..you liked it a lot. When I first came to this forums I didn't even know what an Albanian was or point out on the map where was Albania ...couldn't give a chit about the place or the people..then I met some here and my interest grew... then I met some in person... and I have favorable thoughts about them.The difference between others and I .,..is that I can say it... and don't have to act all tough about it saying I can't stand them ... trying to be macho.... anyway you are what you are... I can't change that.... time will do it for you.
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Post by Toskaliku on Jul 7, 2008 20:51:30 GMT -5
That was the last photo's I posted. Not my last trip. I wont be posting photo's anymore considering how some people have used them as weapons against me here. Eva was right, I made some mistakes when I was younger and one was revealing too much. Now I have had loved ones images attacked by some radicals here... No thanks, I dont care if people insult me, but its different when my friends and family are. I no reason to post anything about myself anymore.... Its true that I havent been to Sarande since then, but I still remember some of the stories I got from waiters and beachgoers who had come from Greece during the summer. Thats what changed me the most. All of them were, as Albs say, persembari(straightforward). Yet because of the crimes of some, they had been treated like chit. Plus the others, the traitors, whose sons and daughters were yearning to leave Albania again since they wanted to go back to Greece. I pitied the former and sneared at the latter.
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Post by epiroti on Jul 8, 2008 11:53:32 GMT -5
karta and basil, if you guys are so interested in the issue of vorio-epirus/south-albania, why the fvck don't you read a few books on the subject, go visit albania, read statistics from respectable organisations, etc. I mean, it is the obvious fvcking things to do. It's not like you are prepared, but messed up with some minor detail - you are waaay off the scale. But it has been years that you vomit the same b.s. in this forum.
As I have said before, I respect (well... tolerate/disregard) ahristos much more than you guys. He hates albanians just like you do, but at least he doesn't argue or debate about anything. Whereas you two make so little sense while trying to debate that it sounds pathetic. I don't think you two realise how stupid you sound. It's unbelivable!
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Post by atlantis on Jul 8, 2008 12:44:05 GMT -5
The town of Himara-×åéìÜññá, on the coasts of the Ionio Sea, between Avlona and Agii Saranta, below Akrokeravnia,presents a wild grandeur.It is the Ancient Greek town called Vorio Epirus/know as south Albania this part was cut off from Greece and given by the Powers to Albania. Vorio Epirus have a large Greek minority within Albania. wach it again greek minority is clear shown s.w up to the police man pens...... ;D
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Post by atlantis on Jul 8, 2008 13:13:59 GMT -5
""Hate the power of Hellenism"? quot; --------------------------------------------------------------- Those 200-300 people with the Albanian flags in the borders... are representing the... population of Tosks? The power of Helenism is only Arvanitas dude,don't bring yourself here like a Cobani. -Those 200-300 people with the Albanian flags - hahaha There are milions of tosks inside and around Greece, they are called arvanitas, arberesh and arnauts (not mention anything in albanian territories) They all in one can print a albanian flag dude that's you are scared not you as a cobani but your society and your "leader-sheep."
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