Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2008 1:53:33 GMT -5
I dont think so
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Post by albquietman on Jun 21, 2008 2:03:52 GMT -5
Childish...even kids in kindergarden will laugh at it...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2008 2:38:10 GMT -5
oh yeah... it was over 100 basic words and i didn't find one alb word to resemble to Greek or Slav (or latin, germanic). On the other hand it was strikingly similar to chechen.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 21, 2008 4:51:47 GMT -5
you just proved how retard are you ;D ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2008 5:43:16 GMT -5
Hmm besides cursing, how about some real arguments here.... for a change?? What? Albs have no arguments??? Quite common!! On the contrary we have had enuf BS from your kameria-ancient-illirian west-made theories..
When Pyrros ruled over Southern Italy, you were together with the Chechens or the khazars and breeding goats, (just like today).
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 21, 2008 7:51:28 GMT -5
Genetic studies have shown that the Albanians are not related to the peoples of the Caucasus.
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Post by bordura on Jun 21, 2008 9:40:53 GMT -5
Pirdhos , u made my day as long as u keep thinking with your neck instead of ur brain (if any) we would get a rival of comedy channel in here for free keep up ur neck (ur great work) ;D
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Post by albquietman on Jun 21, 2008 11:40:42 GMT -5
oh yeah... it was over 100 basic words and i didn't find one alb word to resemble to Greek or Slav (or latin, germanic). On the other hand it was strikingly similar to chechen. You must be polyglot then to be able to compare all these languages with each-other and to reach such "great" conclusions...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2008 13:17:27 GMT -5
Well, more than you can prove relations with .... illirians a nation that (if ever was a big player) left very few trace, and even then this little traces have nothing to do with you...
Tell me, *any* modern greek can at least comprehend 20-40% of *any * ancient greek script.
HOW MUCH CAN YOU TRANSLATE from the illirian script at the end of the video?
Kastoriane, genetic studies by who? Anglo-Germans?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2008 13:18:33 GMT -5
Pirdhos , u made my day as long as u keep thinking with your neck instead of ur brain (if any) we would get a rival of comedy channel in here for free keep up ur neck (ur great work) ;D pirdhos, that reminds me of how an old slut here used to call me, but i dont remember her name....
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 21, 2008 13:31:25 GMT -5
Dont know if they were Anglo-Germans, essentially not Greeks, Serbs or Albanians. Its all about haplogroups. The haplogroup is inherited from father to son an doesnt cange. With the help of the haplogroup you can trace back the migrations of your ancestors over 10.000 years back. Well... the Caucasus peoples have a very righ rate on haplogroup G or G2 (11-74%) (thats really a lot!) so that, if Albanians were descendants of Caucasus peoples they had to show at least some worth mentioning percentage on haplogroup G people. But the reasearch has shown they do not.
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Post by albquietman on Jun 21, 2008 13:35:50 GMT -5
How do you know that the script is illyrian? Any proof? Everyone can come up with a bunch of letters and claim that is illyrian or whatever...
By the way, we're not so desperate to claim that we are the descendants of illyrians, like you that claim everyone who knew to write and read or had a little army in Ballkans as greek...we are who we are today, not thousands years ago...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2008 13:37:16 GMT -5
Kastoriane, besides genetics, there is culture (which is not necessarily propagated by blood), amd language (which is also not really connected with blood).
Also, who can prove that a small genetic alteration didnt happen (like the red apple==> green apple), and prevailed?
In the above map it strikes me that FYROM, alb is included but not Serbia. Was it paid by the foreign state dept of UK or USA?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2008 13:38:48 GMT -5
How do you know that the script is illyrian? Any proof? Everyone can come up with a bunch of letters and claim that is illyrian or whatever... By the way, we're not so desperate to claim that we are the descendants of illyrians, like you that claim everyone who knew to write and read or had a little army in Ballkans as greek...we are who we are today, not thousands years ago... Then please, cut this illirian-dardanian joke. Be sure that when the time comes, *many* such research works will get published.... be prepared.
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Post by Duke John on Jun 21, 2008 13:43:29 GMT -5
Just look at the words they try to connect! lmao not even close. From the very begining it already flops. What in the hell is the conection between Ichqeria and Sqipteria? wtf is Ichqeria? and wtf is Shqipteria? lol its Ich keria and Shqipt aria! The words Ichqeria or the proper Ichkeria is not even from Chechen language, its an tukrishs name for that area so this childish from very begining, just look at the words they try to connect lmao, they are not even close to each others! Aakharhko - Katundar! WTF? Alsamoo - Më Shumë! WTF? Aagan - Eker? lol its Egër Aara Dalan - Jashte Dal <---- This is not even right in bouth languages. "Get" in Chechen language is S´há or Eetsa or Daqqa and "Out" in Chechen language is Aara!, "Out" in Albanian language is "Jashtë", and "Get" in Albanian language is "Marr" or in Exit meaning is Dal, Now what connection you see between Aara and Jashtë? or between S´há/Eetsa/Daqqa and "Dal" Aaradaqqa - Tërhoqa! The Chechen "Q" "q" is pronouced as "Qa", The Albanian "Q" "q" is pronouced as "Ch" Like Charlie! what a lame comparision of two words that has nothing to do with eachothers and that are not even close. Aaradovlilla - Rrugëdalje! now what the hell is this? the words are not even close,LOL. Aare - Rrafsh! WTF? ?? Arzha - I zi / e zezë! ? what is this coparision??? Aaz - Zë! what is this? Aaz and Zë? with what kind of logic is this comparision done? beacuse there is "Z" in both words? Banka - Burrë! Two totally different words and only similarity is the "B" ? Baar - Arrë!!! what the hell??? Bashkhan - Shkëlqyer! what is the similarity in this two words? NOTHING! Bekhka - Borxh! the only similarity is the "B" very very lame comparision! Bil ma - Fal me! <- Its wrong! Im Sorry is "Më fal", what is the connection between "Bil ma" and "Më fal"? NOTHING! Besan - Zbehte! similar? not even close! Buha - Buf! only similarity is the "B" and the structure of these two words are totally different! Cham - Shijshëm! i dont know how someone connected this totally two different words! Yaalla - Eja! is this some kind of joke or wtf is this? how this two different words are compared!? ... All of the rest comparisions are Absurd! Pyrros nice job man! you are an Filozof! oh yeah... it was over 100 basic words and i didn't find one alb word to resemble to Greek or Slav (or latin, germanic). On the other hand it was strikingly similar to chechen. Stikingly similar? man you are crazy! and you come with a serious post like "I dont think so" ;D ;D ;D Bravo Pyrros! aplaus! Btw! i have a Chechen dictionary and i have a very good chechen friend, i posted the link to him and all he writed back was Hahahah Crazy!. Albanian language was proven to be as indoeuropean language buy philologist Franz Bopp in 1854 and Albanian was proven buy same guy to be as independent language in indoeuropean family. Chechen language is not an indoeuropean language and that means that it has whole different structure and cant be compared to any indoeuropean languages!. The ethno culture of caucasus people is totally different compared to ethno culture of Albanians or any other balkan ethno cultures, so your claim that Albanian culture and Chechen culture is absurd and the only comparision that you find similar is the religion, with very same logic i can say that greeks culture is similar to ethiopian since you both are orthodox but in reality thats very absurd to say your cultures are similar!. Hmm besides cursing, how about some real arguments here.... for a change?? What? Albs have no arguments??? Quite common!! On the contrary we have had enuf BS from your kameria-ancient-illirian west-made theories.. And you are talkin about real argumets? you believe in some wet fantaises of some russian or serb kids? I posted some concrete arguments and Kastorianos just nailed with genetics and you gave us what? childish absurd and very stupid arguments! if your post even can be called an argument! You must feel very stupid now Pyrros! but life goes on, no stress!
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Post by albquietman on Jun 21, 2008 13:47:51 GMT -5
Lol...I don't get it, what's your point? You want to prove that we are newcomers in Ballkans? Well prove it, if you have the time and money for it, but it won't change the fact that we will be where we are today forever, like it or not. I don't want to argue with you if we are illyrians or not, because you already made up your mind about it, but I just wanted to say, that just by having a greek name and living in Greece doesn't make you a greek. If you have open a history book about Ballkans, you'll see that the population of Ballkans is so mixed, that you can't tell the nationality of someone just by his/her appearance. Culture is different thing and doesn't have to do with where you come from...
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 21, 2008 14:36:34 GMT -5
As I said the Y haplogroup (the one you inherit from your father, and he from hsi father and so on) does never change....your haplogroup on your fatehrs line is always the same.....so you have the exactly sae haplogroup as your great great great great great great great great (+1000x great) grandfather....for example. Thats the good thinkg with haplogroups it does never get mixed.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 21, 2008 16:31:58 GMT -5
As I said the Y haplogroup (the one you inherit from your father, and he from hsi father and so on) does never change....your haplogroup on your fatehrs line is always the same.....so you have the exactly sae haplogroup as your great great great great great great great great (+1000x great) grandfather....for example. Thats the good thinkg with haplogroups it does never get mixed. kastoriane besides haplogroups, etc... there is another field of science called discrete mathematics, which is our friend most of the times. Haplogroup does that father thing right? Ok, So by having the exact same haplogroup with another person proves that both your fathers's line had the the same haplogroup. By going behind N genarations, the genetic material of this Nth father, is a fraction of the persons material equal to (1/2^N) where 2^N is the Nth power of 2. So going back 3 generations, we are talking about genetic material of the magnitude of 1/(2^3)=1/8=0.125=12.5% of the person's current material. Going back 10 generations (about 200-300 years back) we get 1/(2^10)=1/1024=.0009765625=0.97% (less than 1%). Note, that i dont claim, that we are SURE of what the mother is or is not. What i claim, is that the haplogroup measurements is a totally lame method of identifying racial relationships. P.S. Gamhsame kai thn Ollandia, Forza Rossiara!!!!
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 21, 2008 16:57:03 GMT -5
I think its not because although in the end it does not tell you something about your whole dna, also not about most of your dna...in reality just a trickle thats right...but
you have to look at the overall picture....if you test hundreds of people its hundreds of different dna's, and perhaps hundreds of different ancestors...this does relativize its relative low significance on the particular individual. Its not going to say much about the ethnic origin of one tested person but putting all results together you get an important image of the whole people's composition.
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Post by bordura on Jun 21, 2008 18:25:37 GMT -5
pirdhos, that reminds me of how an old s**t here used to call me, but i don't remember her name.... well if u understand Albanian would relax it means to F.art in pronunciation it is very close to Pyrro ;D so yes when it smells in here we use to mention the reason why hence pirdhos Ur Chechen theory SMELLS bad phew
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