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Post by chalkedon on Jun 25, 2008 4:56:00 GMT -5
Why your parets did migrate to Australia? just for fun? hypocrit! You are my donkey. I have no need to speek with someone so stupid as yourself. You can accept what all real scientists have to say about modern and ancient Greeks or you can keep living a wet dream. The modern Greeks look exactly like the ancient Greeks no matter how much mixture they where predominatly Mediterranean, if you like it or not. I will not post anymore because there is no need, what i have stated about the Greek people is real, not the garbage you and your 'freinds' have to say. Its not a wet dream! the sculptures you posted have no connection with the greeks i posted! whos the donkey now? I provided concrete facts about albanians 1. Albanian language was prooven to be Indo-european language buy Philologist Franz Bopp. 2. Albanian Anthropology was studied buy Physical anthropologist Carleton Stevens Coon, as natives of dinaric mountain range! 3. Albanian genetics has been analyzed buy European Journal of Human Genetics. All three concretely refer as ALBANIANS ARE NATIVE EUROPEAN!Thous are FACTS! and it feels good to be Albanian! Prove all the tree wrong! till then eat chit! ;D is that all you got ? LOL !!! Well, i guess thats the case cracker...time to ring in the press ;D WHERE IS YOUR ILLYIRAN LANGUAGE OR WRITING ?! CAN YOU ANSWER THIS PLS
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Post by Duke John on Jun 25, 2008 5:05:00 GMT -5
is that all you got ? LOL !!! Well, i guess thats the case cracker...time to ring in the press ;D WHERE IS YOUR ILLYIRAN LANGUAGE OR WRITING ?! CAN YOU ANSWER THIS PLS Yes thats all i got 3 concrete FACTS! Yes i can answer! Here is a sample of Illyrian language: And the writing: Latin we use! Prpve wrong thous 3 FACTS! till then eat some more chit! ;D
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 25, 2008 5:10:40 GMT -5
you just posted some hot broad giving an interview...although i dont mind en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_languageSome scholars believe the modern Albanian language to be descended from Illyrian. Only a few Illyrian items have been linked to Albanian, and these remain tentative or inconclusive for the purpose of determining a close relation.Outside influences The Ancient Greek language would have become an important external influence on Illyrian-speakers who occupied lands adjacent to ancient Greeks. Invading Celts who settled on lands occupied by Illyrians brought the Illyrians into contact with the Celtic languages. Intensive contact may have happened in what is now Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia. Because of this intensive contact, and because of conflicting classical sources, it is unclear whether some ancient tribes were Illyrian or Celtic (see for example Scordisci and Iapodes) or mixed. Thracians and Paionians also occupied lands populated by Illyrians, bringing Illyrians into contact with the Thracian language and Paionian language. Yet it was not Greek, Celtic, Thracian, or Paionian, but Latin that would come to displace Illyrian above the Jireèek line. The Romans conquered all the lands in which Illyrian was spoken, and it is quite possible that Illyrian faded early in the Common era, perhaps even before the Slavic invasion of the Balkans.have a nice day...
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 25, 2008 5:14:14 GMT -5
is that all you got ? LOL !!! Well, i guess thats the case cracker...time to ring in the press ;D WHERE IS YOUR ILLYIRAN LANGUAGE OR WRITING ?! CAN YOU ANSWER THIS PLS Yes thats all i got 3 concrete FACTS! Yes i can answer! Here is a sample of Illyrian language: And the writing: Latin we use! Prpve wrong thous 3 FACTS! till then eat some more chit! ;D Do you want a banana? Too bad its all nationalistic bulls** written by Albanian fifteen year olds.
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Post by Duke John on Jun 25, 2008 5:28:25 GMT -5
You too and dont forget to prove wrong thous 3 Facts that i gave you, same goes to you Greek1234! Till then HUSHHHH! and....
EAT CHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 25, 2008 5:33:38 GMT -5
Peleponnese was full of Albanians and many Slavs...do you know good genealogy of your family?, maybe you will find some albanian name of your great-great-great fathers before XVIII Century. Thats like me trying to take credit from ottoman greeks in the ottoman empire!! Do you see us praising Mehmet II or Sinan the architect ? How many ethnic greeks were in the ottoman empire that now feel like turks ? You try to tell them that they are not turks. The reasoning you albos use is SOOOO Stupid...pfft read what said greek1234 that Albanians migratet in Peleponnese! and he never said that is not partly Arvanite.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 25, 2008 5:54:56 GMT -5
Dr Hans Miller studied this, Dr Fridrih Klaus said that, and Pyrros says you are proud of acting like laboratory hamsters!!!
Do smth by yourselves damint!!
Prove your guts by yourselves and not by smth a paid german said.
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 25, 2008 6:04:45 GMT -5
Thats like me trying to take credit from ottoman greeks in the ottoman empire!! Do you see us praising Mehmet II or Sinan the architect ? How many ethnic greeks were in the ottoman empire that now feel like turks ? You try to tell them that they are not turks. The reasoning you albos use is SOOOO Stupid...pfft read what said greek1234 that Albanians migratet in Peleponnese! and he never said that is not partly Arvanite. Prijes, I also have roots in peloponnese along with asia minor. My grandpaps is from kalamata... What I have been trying to say is that to be " greek " does not necessarily mean to have a " clean " bloodline, and to be quite honest...i do not know how many albos were in peloponnese. If you got solid facts open a thread up in the albo section stating how many of you were in peloponnese area. Enlighten me....
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Post by Duke John on Jun 25, 2008 6:22:37 GMT -5
Prove your guts by yourselves and not by smth a paid german said. Hahahahah... ;D 3!
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 25, 2008 6:25:44 GMT -5
read what said greek1234 that Albanians migratet in Peleponnese! and he never said that is not partly Arvanite. Prijes, I also have roots in peloponnese along with asia minor. My grandpaps is from kalamata... What I have been trying to say is that to be " greek " does not necessarily mean to have a " clean " bloodline, and to be quite honest...i do not know how many albos were in peloponnese. If you got solid facts open a thread up in the albo section stating how many of you were in peloponnese area. Enlighten me.... expatriot here (XIV Century): www2.let.uu.nl/Solis/anpt/ejos/pdf2/W06.PDFfrom XVI-XVIII have alot evidence from european travels/historians about Albanians present in Peleponnese
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 25, 2008 6:40:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised for you are known as TurkAlbanians and we kicked the Turks out...They were occupiers as well as the people who sided with the Turks. .
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Post by whatever on Jun 25, 2008 6:43:36 GMT -5
You guys like using Coon so much: www.snpa.nordish.net/chapter-XII14.htmIt is inaccurate to say that the modern Greeks are different physically from the ancient Greeks;such a statement is based on an ignorance of the Greek ethnic character. In classical times the Greeks included many kinds of people living in different places, as they do today. If one refers to the inhabitants of Attica during the sixth century, or to the Spartans of Leonidas, then the changes in these localities have probably not been nearly as great as that between the Germans of Tacitus and the living South Germans, to cite but a single example. The Greeks, in short, are a blend of racial types, of which two are most important; the Atlanto-Mediterranean and the Alpine. Dinaricisrn here is present, but not all pervading; true Alpines are commoner than complete Dinarics. The Nordic element is weak, as it probably has been since the days of Homer. The racial type to which Socrates belonged is today the most important, while the Atlanto-Mediterranean, prominent in Greece since the Bronze Age, is still a major factor, it is my personal reaction to the living Greeks that their continuity with their ancestors of the ancient world is remarkable, rather than the opposite.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 25, 2008 6:53:59 GMT -5
Alexander in particular seems to have been seen by many as having the characteristics of a northerner. Thracians and Illyrians, among many other non-Greek Europeans, were often described as what would be translated into English as "fair" skin and "ruddy". That is having features that are lighter then Greeks. …There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service – but how different is their cause from ours ! They will be fighting for pay— and not much of it at that; WE on the contrary shall fight for GREECE, and our hearts will be in it.As for our FOREIGN troops —Thracians, Paeonians, Illyrians,Agrianes — they are the best and stoutest soldiers of Europe, and they will find as their opponents the slackest and softest of the tribes of Asia. Arrian (The Campaigns of Alexander) Alexander talking to the troops before the battle. Book 2-7 Penguin Classics. Page 112. Translation by Aubrey De Seliucourt.Notice his use of ‘FOREIGN’ about Illyrians ! He's also a self proclaimed Greek... .
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 25, 2008 7:04:27 GMT -5
Good one!!! Show that to the self-hating Serbs-Bulgarians in FYROM.
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Post by ioan on Jun 25, 2008 7:31:42 GMT -5
What I have been trying to say is that to be " greek " does not necessarily mean to have a " clean " bloodline, Exactly! What matters is that culturally, linguistically u are Greek. Do we have "clean" nations today? Genetically? No, deffinately. especially on the Bolkans. All the sources point out that there were lots of changes of the population, so most probably there are no pure races, especially here. But that doesnt mean the Greeks arent the ancient Greeks, they have their language, their culture, their tradition. The genes may be mixed with other people, but what is most important is who do u think u are and in that sense the Greeks are the ancient Greeks. About the albos: I dont have enough knowledge on the Ilirians to decide if they are their heirs, however I think they probably are, but I dont think they are pure race too. Why? Bacause it is obvious by the albos toponims, the influence on the language that the albanians have experienced inflence by the Greeks, Bulgarians, Romans etc and that influence most probably was also genetic. Pure race is not exsistant thing nowadays. And even in the past. Religion, language, lifestyle, way of thinking is what defies us as certain people.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 25, 2008 7:39:39 GMT -5
Well said Ioan, however in your statement: "Bacause it is obvious by the albos toponims, the influence on the language that the albanians have experienced inflence by the Greeks, Bulgarians, Romans etc and that influence most probably was also genetic."
i must comment, that the slavic toponyms of Albania (just like in Epirus) are 100% Serb.
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Post by ioan on Jun 25, 2008 7:51:10 GMT -5
i must comment, that the slavic toponyms of Albania (just like in Epirus) are 100% Serb. I agree there was Serb influence, but there were Bulgarian too. Those lands were in Bulgarian hands at the earliest (before the Serbs) so there must be Bulgarian toponims too.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 25, 2008 8:03:48 GMT -5
cool.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 25, 2008 10:29:59 GMT -5
i must comment, that the slavic toponyms of Albania (just like in Epirus) are 100% Serb. I agree there was Serb influence, but there were Bulgarian too. Those lands were in Bulgarian hands at the earliest (before the Serbs) so there must be Bulgarian toponims too. what retard is this pirrdhosh ;D, Epiri like whole balcan was occupied from Bulgars and all tomponimes in Greece like whole balcan are Bulgarian which greeks most of tomponimes changed to greek language (from Albanian, Turkish, Bulgarian)
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 25, 2008 10:39:48 GMT -5
Well said Ioan, however in your statement: "Bacause it is obvious by the albos toponims, the influence on the language that the albanians have experienced inflence by the Greeks, Bulgarians, Romans etc and that influence most probably was also genetic." i must comment, that the slavic toponyms of Albania (just like in Epirus) are 100% Serb. On the contrary Albanian language as well racially have influeced them: www.fwf.ac.at/en/public_relations/press/pv200805-en.htmlThe researchers are following various leads which suggest that Albanian played a key role in the Balkan Sprachbund. For example, it is likely that Albanian is the source of the suffixed definite article in Romanian, Bulgarian, Greek and Macedonian, as this has been a feature of Albanian since ancient times.and racially, thanks from eva posting link you see what say Coon: www.snpa.nordish.net/chapter-XII14.htmOne special group, the Sphakiots, living near the western end of the south side of the island, differ from the other Cretans in a number of characters; they are very tall, with a mean stature of 175 cm., and meso- to sub-brachycephalic, with a mean cephalic index of 81.6. They have especially large heads, with a mean length of 191 mm. and breadth ci 155 mm.; their faces are longer than the others, and equally broad or broader. Morphologically Dinaric types are common among them; they may be compared with Montenegrins and the northernmost Ghegs. According to the general assumption of authorities on Crete, the Sphakioti are the partial descendants of the Dorians who invaded the island at the end of the Minoan period. That some of them do resemble the traditional Spartan type is very likely. One can only derive them from the north, from the region in which the larger branch of the Dinaric race was formed. the Greeks are the descendants of all the peoples who have adopted and retained that language and that civilization from classical times to the present. Some of these converts to Hellenicism were inhabitants of Asia Minor, others of Thrace and Byzantium, others of the lands bordering the Black Sea, especially the Crimea.
Into the peninsula of Greece itself, many thousands of Slavs wandered as immigrants during the maximum South Slavic expansion; the Turks brought colonists, including many Albanians, and whole districts of Boeotia and Attica and of other parts of Greece are today Albanian speaking. Romance-speaking shepherds, the Vlachs, have also made the slopes of the Pindus their seasonal pastures. Since the World War many of the Greeks living in Thrace and Asia Minor have been sent to Greek soil to live, while Turks and other Moslems have been in turn repatriated. Despite these attempts at producing ethnic order, much Greek territory, especially in Macedonia, remains ethnically heterogeneous
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