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Post by kartadolofonos on Jul 4, 2008 5:36:21 GMT -5
albs native Illirians???
evidence records please source,culture .....
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Post by libofsha on Jul 4, 2008 7:00:52 GMT -5
oh you mean eveidence other than the blatant, perfectly logical and aboundantly obvious, right?
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Post by greek1234 on Jul 4, 2008 9:30:07 GMT -5
oh you mean eveidence other than the blatant, perfectly logical and aboundantly obvious, right? Please enlighten us with your bulls**t. You and your people are a joke that go against real history, probably because you do not have any.
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 4, 2008 12:09:45 GMT -5
They got no evidence of their existence..that is so sad to be born into this world and having to toss a coin to determine where you come from....
The defining words when it comes to studying the origins of the Albanians are: 'most likely' 'disputed' 'most historians' 'might be' .
We dropped a few words like a lion drops a few pieces of scrap meat from his kill and the vultures come by and start chewing on it and claim it as their kill..... It's going to be a cold day in hell when one will give a second thought or glance to a vulture claiming he killed a water buffalo.... thats all I am saying...
Come up with something more concrete guys..then words you adopted 500 years ago...
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Post by atlantis on Jul 4, 2008 12:34:47 GMT -5
more concrete….ufffffff…..if you try to delete my posts ore to put them in Quarantine, like Greeks did all the time it’s to hard but we have proved that albs are ancestor survivor. For more Read here; The (Old) Albanian language is also being researched using the story of Adam & Eve. This story is included in the Old Albanian sources being analyzed as part of an FWF project www.fwf.ac.at/en/public_relations/press/pv200805-en.htmlby Austrian Science Fund FWF
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Post by jerryspringer on Jul 4, 2008 12:36:56 GMT -5
I can only imagine being born with red hairn and light skin, whereas the rest of your people look like Kurds.
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Post by libofsha on Jul 4, 2008 12:52:30 GMT -5
They got no evidence of their existence..that is so sad to be born into this world and having to toss a coin to determine where you come from.... The defining words when it comes to studying the origins of the Albanians are: 'most likely' 'disputed' 'most historians' 'might be' . We dropped a few words like a lion drops a few pieces of scrap meat from his kill and the vultures come by and start chewing on it and claim it as their kill..... It's going to be a cold day in hell when one will give a second thought or glance to a vulture claiming he killed a water buffalo.... thats all I am saying... Come up with something more concrete guys..then words you adopted 500 years ago... straight off the national greek propaganda book, you should start a knighthood of greek supremacy, just shut up and make us a kebab dude, hold the armpit hair, would you stavros? we borrowed homeric words off you 500 years ago? this guy defies laws of retardation.
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 4, 2008 14:43:52 GMT -5
You guys still don't get it..... it is irrelevant what words sound like or where they come from...you found them and fitted yourselves around them. Capisch? Anittas, GFY ...
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Post by Duke John on Jul 4, 2008 15:04:06 GMT -5
You guys still don't get it..... it is irrelevant what words sound like or where they come from...you found them and fitted yourselves around them. Capisch? Anittas, GFY ... How about half of greek population came to balkans from asia and now claim everything as theirs! back to asia!
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 4, 2008 16:34:27 GMT -5
Luma,shape up and don't be a white neeggro... ;D
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Post by slowdent on Jul 4, 2008 19:49:22 GMT -5
guys
it is known that albs come from Albania Caqueta Colombia....
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Post by Niklianos on Jul 5, 2008 21:30:54 GMT -5
You guys still don't get it..... it is irrelevant what words sound like or where they come from...you found them and fitted yourselves around them. Capisch? Anittas, GFY ... How about half of greek population came to balkans from asia and now claim everything as theirs! back to asia! Luma, and where did those Greeks originate before the arrived in Asia? Greece!
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Post by Arxileas on Jul 6, 2008 4:40:49 GMT -5
Here is a head start from me...Where the Albanians get a mention of being part of the Illyrians. Second page. Albanians don't get too excited over this There is a perfect explanation for it
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Post by libofsha on Jul 6, 2008 5:01:13 GMT -5
the author is spot on....like all revered authors with impeccable track records and credentials, who have stated numerous times that albanians are the continuation of the illyrians,
we do need to get patronised by greeks, neither do we feel the need to convince you, but i am glad that some of you are willing to peel off the veil of greek propaganda and see that albs have been in these old lands for a long long time.
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Post by Arxileas on Jul 6, 2008 5:29:42 GMT -5
the author is spot on....like all revered authors with impeccable track records and credentials, who have stated numerous times that albanians are the continuation of the illyrians, That’s questionable you know...As there are too many gaping holes...In your short history. Greek propaganda ? What do you mean ? Greece doesn’t have claims to the Illyrains I am afraid nor do we sponsor it, if you are aware of such Greek state sponsored propagandas coming from Greece be sure to let us know... We are more interested in TRUTH. Let me be clear, these claims by the Albanian state were never met with any opposition, and let me also remind you that if a nation goes unchecked with it’s absurd claims it will eventually win, heck that’s why we’re on the internets educating the poor Fyromians of their real roots. If they too went unchecked they’ll probably win ? There is just no surviving Illyrian language to make that connection with Albanian as in to compare the two languages for any links, also there is NO Illyrian cultural memory within the Albanians. It is the Albanians who use propagandas against Greece, I mean the Greek Achilles an Albanian lol ? .
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Post by libofsha on Jul 6, 2008 6:04:27 GMT -5
the author is spot on....like all revered authors with impeccable track records and credentials, who have stated numerous times that albanians are the continuation of the illyrians, That’s questionable you know...As there are too many gaping holes...In your short history. its not questionable, you choose to make is questionable, gaping holes are to be found in your history books and greek continuity from ancient to modern greece, your alien language and no direct historical link to the mighty helens, you need to realise greece is a melting pot of many many ethnicities and races, 1/4 of your population is of albanian stock for god's sake, its undeniable. prsuit of the truth? then open your eyes and see that modern greece is just a facade, a made over nation with delusions of grandure, illyrians language lives vicariously through albs, YOU are the one quoting authors here, is not my f*cking source, its plain balck on white, greeks are the only people that refute their own sorces they provide.....everything its cool up until the author states that albs are illyrians, at this point you get worked up, isn't this proof of unbias, isn't this proof that every single greek has been so utterly indoctrinated that they instictively refute any historical claim relating to albs, this is proof of hardwired propaganda, the author is foreign, he's not even albanian.......is he misguided? was he paid by hoxha's regime..? seriously, how can a nation fabricate a whole history(this concerns the chetniks) by making these wild claims without being rediculed by the academics? most credible scholars(including the one you referenced) without a doubt agree we are the direct continuation, others express doubt but do not rule it out. there have been a massive number of greek historians who have admitted the link, do i even need to say more? now the propaganda side of it comes into play for multiple reasons which the greeks so cunningly have utilised, it all boils down to territorial greed really, to stake claim to epirus, to annex lands of southern albania, to perpetuate this idiotic myth of great greece, by playing down the albanian factor, by portraying them as turks who were planted you can play the role of the victim and say they stole our lands, but there is a fundamental flaw in this logic, you can not historically prove that albs moved from another locations, no one can attest to this migration of albs into the balcans....in around the 13 hundeds as you claim, we know where the slavs came from, there are documents of their stampede into the balcans.....yet we do not have any records of albs moving into the region....6 centuries later? does this strike you as a bit odd?
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Post by Arxileas on Jul 6, 2008 7:27:10 GMT -5
its not questionable, you choose to make is questionable, gaping holes are to be found in your history books and greek continuity from ancient to modern greece, your alien language and no direct historical link to the mighty helens, you need to realise greece is a melting pot of many many ethnicities and races, 1/4 of your population is of albanian stock for god's sake, its undeniable. We have the historians, professors and archaeological proof documented record which we have been the same peoples from from Alexander’s times right through to the Greko, Roman Empire and even the Ottomans acknowledged us as Rums being the Greeks. Well it wasn’t us who assimilated these Arvanites, they jumped on our side and were the foremost Hellenes of the campaign to the Greek independence. Kind of says much to how they felt to be as Greeks !!! Remember blood and ethnicity are not related, that it’s self should be self evident. See previous answer. See my next answer, down bellow. Enver Hoxia's Greater Albania dreams would not be realised without these absurd claims so hence; On the Albanian Claim that they have Illyrian names today
ISBN 960-210-279-9 Miranda Vickers, The Albanians Chapter 9. "Albania Isolates itself" page 256 In page 271 it is stated
From time to time the state gave out lists with pagan ,supposed Illyrian or newly constructed names that would be proper for the new generation of revolutionaries.(see also Also Logoreci "the Albanians" page 157.^ That is part of state sponsored propagandas then. Epirus is historically Greek with Autonomy still pending and way over due and not part of Greek state policies anymore, it is something that Albania hasn't fulfilled when signing the Corfu 1914 protocol and others. The League of Prizren classifies you as the formost Ottomans...With Islam Albanians got agressive expansionist ideology. Idea of uniting all Albanians came with "The League of Prizren". The goal was to create Albanians as most elite members of OTTOMAN EMPIRE. They consider Albanians as leading banner of Islam. Albanians have taken Illyrian theory with passion. It give them excuse from expansionism. Also it give them excuse to terrorize other ethnic groups. Albanian state was created with help of Italy and Austro-Hungaria,to stop Serbian expansion to Adriatic. Albanians were mostly instrument of foreign powers..Turks,Italians,Americans... No further comment. .
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Post by libofsha on Jul 6, 2008 9:02:40 GMT -5
We have the historians, professors and archaeological proof documented record which we have been the same peoples from from Alexander’s times right through to the Greko, Roman Empire and even the Ottomans acknowledged us as Rums being the Greeks. Well it wasn’t us who assimilated these Arvanites, they jumped on our side and were the foremost Hellenes of the campaign to the Greek independence. Kind of says much to how they felt to be as Greeks !!! Remember blood and ethnicity are not related, that it’s self should be self evident. that's not accurate, its been comprehensively proven that moden greeks are among the most mixed nations in the balcans, you are not by a long shot the same people as in ancient times, do not delude yourself, you lost all traces during the byzantine period, likemost of the balcans, you were far in disarray during the byzantine that the notion of greece was a faint memory, during the dark ages greece was a halfway house for many ethnicities, at this time you had almost no identity, you were simply a province of the empire, this is the reason why you virtually put up no resistance when the ottoman hordes walked all over you, your new identity only emerged in the 18 hundreds when with the help of albanian arvanites you gained independence. yo didn't assimilate the arvanites? just like you didn't change all names of places, just like you didn't wipe out half of soulis because they didn't want to be pat of sham that was the greek state, just like you didn't kill and torture arvanites who spoke albanian, i seem to recall a very special legislation passed to prohibit anything other than the "unified greek language" from being spoken, c'mon man, greeks have so many skeletons in their closet is not even funny. i do not disagree that there was a campaign to re-illyrise the country, just like the greek policy of assimilation and re-hellenisation, except we were learning the truth which had been denied to us for so long whereas greeks embarked on a gluttinous ambition for territory, the thesis of albo-illyrian connection had been brewing for centuries before mate, many foreign historians(mainly german and austo hungarian) had written a number of books about this link, hoxha just turned it into a national policy mate, he didn't invent this wild claim, don't even go there, albania emerged as a distraught country after the WW2, with a lot of ileteracy and poverty, it was essential to go back to our roots to ensure survival. please, your ignorance exceeds all bounds, historically greek? yeah, maybe greek peasants, fullfill what? a f**king null and void agreement signed by a dummy austro hungarian farse ruler appointed by the powers that be? who never represented the will of people nor knew anything about the history of the lands, that agreement isn't worth wiping my ass with dude. are you referring to the pivotal league in our struggle chaired by the patriot abdyl frasheri? the one which was followed by the saint stephan's treaty? what are you on about? are you completely out of you f**king mind? that had nothing to do with islam, where do you get these shambolic facts from? the league was a symbol of unity among all albanian populated regions, it came as a result of the ottoman empire shriking ever so often, when the turks lost out to the russians, all the balkan nations started to realise they could break away and this is where the greed happened, and where all territorial ambitions came from, the league was simply a show of unity among all alb noblemen to ensure the hienaes would not chop us up and obliterate us, where did this islam bulls**t came from? i am actually astounded at the utter s**t they feed you in your schools, forgive them lord for they know not of what they speak!!! wow, f**king wow. terrorise other ethnicities? oh man, i actually pity your lack of knowledge, {.........................edit..........................}!! we are the most mistreated nation in the balcans, look at the injustices that have been committed against us, where did we ever expand? you have no facts, no proof, how can allow yourself to be so brainwashed, its sad, sad!
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Post by Arxileas on Jul 6, 2008 9:50:24 GMT -5
P.s five things here.
1) I am the Greek here and not the Albanian who's been messed up due to communism.
2) Never involve my family members into a discussion.
3) Educate your self moron
4) re-edit my edit and I’ll delete your twiggy ass.
5) Stop making me look good ! Not my fault your an angry type, debate in a rational manner. Can you do that ?
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Post by libofsha on Jul 6, 2008 9:55:40 GMT -5
blow me you ignorance plagued imbecile, don't twist my country's history you fucking fashist, piss off
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