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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 23, 2008 14:46:54 GMT -5
Chechens, Georgians, Albs have a basic thing in common. Peasant lapdogs of USA. That overrides anything else. Chechens-Georgians-Armenians more common have pretty with greeks (or serbs) than Albanians (what is totally alien for them)... Culturally-Linguisly-Racially-Tradicional Costumeswe can start new thread about it who is more close with them
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 23, 2008 14:51:36 GMT -5
Tessera ~ chetera (it is called transposition, but i assume you already know those mechanisms).
The word 4, is maybe of the few cases that the connection is only between ancient/modern Greek and Slav and not with germ/latin. Hey, maybe that proves that Greek and Slav are the purest/oldest/unique/mother of ALL indoeuropean languages?? (i dont claim that, altho your theory implicitly implies this).
p.s. zompist? how many years internet experience you have dardana?
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 23, 2008 14:55:17 GMT -5
Same Dance, Same Tradicional Costumes this dance is caucasus! Greek dance: Turkish Dance: Caucasus Dance: Caucasus Dance:
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 23, 2008 15:02:23 GMT -5
glad you still alive. i am concerned about your paralerema tho....
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 23, 2008 15:04:50 GMT -5
And is our dance (albanian dance, Cham Dance) if you dont know...Tsamikos, and costumes are ours when you adobtet from us like you did from caucasus (or you camed from there becuae you claim greek language is caucasus)
Tsamiko
Cham Dance...Albanians:
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 23, 2008 15:09:02 GMT -5
glad you still alive. i am concerned about your paralerema tho.... came Cigan-chechen friend :0 to see who is more caucasus Your serb, Greek or Albanian...lets start because you made me a great day with your poorly logical
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 23, 2008 16:23:06 GMT -5
The Tsamiko and foustanella are Greek, you adopted it from us.
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Post by rex362 on Jun 23, 2008 16:27:27 GMT -5
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Post by Toskaliku on Jun 23, 2008 17:38:56 GMT -5
Why is it called The Cham then?
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 23, 2008 18:13:17 GMT -5
Why is it called The Cham then? Most certainly called Tsamiko and not Cham, can you tell the differences ?
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Post by Toskaliku on Jun 23, 2008 22:59:44 GMT -5
Tsamiko = Greek version of çam. You guys turn our hard ç into ts...
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 23, 2008 23:09:10 GMT -5
Tsamiko = Greek version of çam. You guys turn our hard ç into ts... Crap. Tsamiko Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Cite This Source The Tsamiko (Τσάμικος) or Kleftikos (Κλέφτικος) is a traditional Greek dance. It is one of two national dances of Greece, the other being the Kalamatiano. Danced almost exclusively by men, this dance is strongly reminiscent of the 1821 era in Greek history. The dancers even dress in the traditional Greek military uniform of the Evzones (Greek, Εύζωνοι). This dance is usually performed to celebrate national events (i.e. the 1821 Greek revolution.)The dance follows a strict and slow tempo with emphasis put not on the steps, but in the "attitude, style and grace" of the dancer. The dancers hold each other from the hands, bend 90 degrees upwards at the elbows. It takes a sturdy hand, especially if you are supporting the first or last person of the line (or circle) who will lean on you to perform high acrobatic leaps (Usually kicking his right leg up as he takes off followed by the left (in a scissor-like motion) hitting the latter with the back of his hand before landing).The steps are relatively easy but have to be precise and strictly on beat. The dancer might even stomp his foot in response to a strong beat. There is some improvisation involved and many variations of the steps, depending on which area of Greece the dancers come from. The Tsamiko is usually performed in Central Greece and Peloponnese, and takes its name from the area Tsamouria. The name Tsamouria itself is a derivation of the name Thyamis, the Ancient Greek name of the river Kalamas, near Preveza.Over time the dance has taken on many variations and is danced throughout Greece. It is danced in a circle to 3/4 rhythm. In the past, it was danced exclusively by men, but in modern times both men and women take part. It is also popular among Greeks and international folk dancers in the United States. The national anthem of Greece Hymn to Freedom is also composed in Tsamiko rhythm, one of the few national anthems that can be danced.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 23, 2008 23:10:13 GMT -5
This sounds like Cham too.Does it make it a Cham ;D haha
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 23, 2008 23:19:41 GMT -5
The Cham people (Vietnamese: người Chăm or người Chàm) are an ethnic group in Southeast Asia. They are concentrated between the Cambodian Kampong Cham Province and central Vietnam's Phan Rang-Thap Cham, Phan Thiet, Ho Chi Minh City and An Giang areas. Approximately 4,000 Chams also live in Thailand; many of whom have moved south to Pattani, Narathiwat, Yala, and Songkhla Provinces for work. Cham form the core of the Muslim communities in both Cambodia and Vietnam. Cham are remnants of the Kingdom of Champa (7th to 15th centuries). They are closely related to the Malay race and speak variations of Malayo-Polynesian Cham language from the Austronesian language family. wiki
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Post by Toskaliku on Jun 23, 2008 23:40:49 GMT -5
And what is Chameria? ;DAnd its not a soft 'jam', its a hard 'ch' as in 'chase'? If its just from Thyamis., what accounts for the change from theta to tau and sigma?
That you guys call 'Chams' "Tsamides" is no accident. What seems to have happened is that the ancient Greek Thyamis naturally turned into Chami in Albanian, according to our own linguistical shift. As the river name changed but the Albanian Cham remained, the name turned into Tsam, as the Greeks turned the native Albanian Cam into their own language.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 24, 2008 0:23:12 GMT -5
Are you feeling alright There is no relation to these two words what so ever... Naturally you would adopt one of the oldest languages in Europe into your language, since you came after us and intermingled with us .
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Post by Toskaliku on Jun 24, 2008 0:28:32 GMT -5
Yea, its all in my head, two words coming from the same region showing the same linguistical shifts and links have no relation to one another... Im sure... You people are doing a good job of erasing all Albanian footprints from your country. Its fine... Turkey has done a good job of it to you; and it will be a beautiful day when Albanians truly start doing it with Greek footprints in our country. Actually, its already happening.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 24, 2008 0:41:54 GMT -5
^ Ahh ok what ever Back on topic On the Albanian Claim that they have Illyrian names today ISBN 960-210-279-9 Miranda Vickers, The Albanians Chapter 9. "Albania Isolates itself" page 256 In page 271 it is stated
From time to time the state gave out lists with pagan ,supposed Illyrian or newly constructed names that would be proper for the new generation of revolutionaries.(see also Also Logoreci "the Albanians" page 157.
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Post by Toskaliku on Jun 24, 2008 0:54:23 GMT -5
The same thing has been occurring in Greece . Keep in mind that 200 years(or perhaps even 100 or maybe even less) ago you would be hard pressed to find Greeks born in rural Greece with names such as Aphrodite, Socrates, or, your name, Achilles. In fact, it would have been hard to find people who actually knew what those people were. The only link that was available was from those Greeks who traveled abroad and became aware of their lands ancient heritage through philhellenic Germans, French and Brits. These among many many other names of very very famous figures. The only such pagan names you received was from those that were transfered over through saints... It took modern nation building to revive them. In fact, your struggle to revive these names has been quite a battle hasnt it? Considering your church. The communists didnt just introduce Illyrian names, but also names from the Iliad. Its why, for example, so many Albanians that have come to this forum have had Homeric names
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Jun 24, 2008 1:36:46 GMT -5
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