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Post by worldcit on May 29, 2008 19:46:21 GMT -5
If the Greek population in Southern Albania only represents how did a Greek become Mayor? Especially one that is pro-Greece in his political views? Why didn't all the Albanians in the area just not vote for him, that way he would have never become mayor. But is seems that is not the case and the Greeks are in much larger numbers than claimed. Just for you to have an idea of Greek minority in Albania- only three out of 140 MP are of Greek Minority and one of them is representing Socialist Party not Greek Minority Party. Link www.parlament.al/eng/default.asp
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Post by Arxileas on May 29, 2008 19:51:54 GMT -5
The Albanian government has refused to acknowledge it's obligations under the Corfu Protocol of 1914 and other obligations made over a century which grants Albania's Greek minority of Norther Epirus AUTONOMY.
Instead they cleansed the Hellenic people and it's culture over there....
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Post by Teuta1975 on May 29, 2008 20:00:39 GMT -5
.....I doubt Albania was a state in the real meaning of the word back then...what Albanian Government are you talking about?
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Post by Arxileas on May 29, 2008 20:38:08 GMT -5
.....I doubt Albania was a state in the real meaning of the word back then... Please explain....
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Post by Teuta1975 on May 29, 2008 21:10:05 GMT -5
Brief history of Albania of that time.
The European Great Powers endorsed an independent Albania in 1913, after the Second Balkan War leaving outside the Albanian border more than half of the Albanian population and their lands, that were partitioned between Montenegro,Serbia and Greece. They were assisted by Aubrey Herbert, a British MP who passionately advocated their cause in London. As a result, Herbert was offered the crown of Albania, but was dissuaded by the British prime minister, H. H. Asquith, from accepting. Instead the offer went to William of Wied, a German prince who accepted and became sovereign of the new Principality of Albania.
The young state, however, collapsed within weeks of the outbreak of World War I. Before this, Albanians rebelled against the German prince and declared the independence of their country from the jurisdiction of the great powers and established throughout the country a Muslim regime under the leadership of a local warrior, Haji Qamil. This situation did not last for a long time as the World War I erupted and Albania was invaded by Montenegro, Serbia, Austria-Hungary, Greece, Italy, and France. After World War I, Albania was still under occupation of Serbian and Italian forces. It was a rebellion of the respective populations of the Northern and Southern Albania that pushed back the Serbs and Italians behind the recognized borders of Albania
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Post by Arxileas on May 29, 2008 21:43:00 GMT -5
Ok and what about the others ? In 1915 the Treaty of London (26 April) not only accepted autonomy for Northern Epirus but also stipulated the transfer of this region to Greece. Well what happened ?
Also one in the 30's ? I will try and find it, see my point is Albania has never honoured it's commitments on "treaties" instead cleansed it’s ethnic Greek minorities. A cultural genocide by Enver hoxia etc;
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Post by Arxileas on May 29, 2008 21:59:31 GMT -5
Here's something interesting I found In Britannica about Epirus:
"Despotate of Epirus (1204-1337)
Byzantine principality in the Balkans that was a centre of resistsance for Byzantine Greeks during the western European occupation of Constantinople (1204-61).
The despotate was founded in what is now southern Albania and Northwestern Greece by Michael Angelus Ducas, a member of the dethroned Byzantine imperial house. His half-brother and successor, Theodore Ducas, extended his rule eastward Thessalonica in 1222 and claimed the title of Byzantine Emperor.
Theodore's rivals, John III Vatatze, Emperor of Nicaea, and John Asen II of Bulgaria, attacked him from east and north; John Asen II defeated and captured Theodore in 1230 at the Battle of Klokotnitsa (now in Bulgaria).
Under Michael II (reigned 1236-71), Epirus was greatly reduced, and in 1264 Michael was forced to recognize the suzerainty Michael VIII Paleologus, who had expelled the Latins from Constantinople and restored the Byzantine Empire.
In the 13th century Epirus promoted a revival of classical studies that contributed to the development of Rennaissance Italy. The principality was reannexed to the Byzantine Empire in 1337."
----No mention of any "sons of Eagles" / descendants of Illyria / Albanians. Only of a strong Hellenic presence that supported the double - headed Eagle of Byzantium.
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Post by Teuta1975 on May 29, 2008 22:00:07 GMT -5
I thought we have discussed it....
....Despite the Allies' eventual agreement the terms of the secret treaty were to cause problems at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919.
Since the Italian territorial demands included the Yugo-Slavic lands under Austria-Hungary, Italy needed to negotiate future borders with two of her wartime allies, Serbia and Montenegro; she did however refuse to negotiate with any delegate to Versailles who had served within an enemy government (including Austro-Hungarian deputies); she finally agreed to such negotiations however, under pressure from U.S. President Woodrow Wilson.
Ultimately Italy was granted Trentino, Trieste, (the German-speaking) South Tyrol, and Istria. But Dalmatia was excluded, as was Fiume; so, too, were any colonial territories in Africa or Asia and any claim on Albania. Nationalists consequently argued that Italy had been robbed of its rightful gains.
Extracts from the Treaty of London, 26 April 1915
Article 1
A military convention shall be immediately concluded between the General Staffs of France, Great Britain, Italy, and Russia. This convention shall settle the minimum number of military forces to be employed by Russia against Austria-Hungary in order to prevent that Power from concentrating all its strength against Italy, in the event of Russia deciding to direct her principal effort against Germany...
Article 2
On her part, Italy undertakes to use her entire resources for the purpose of waging war jointly with France, Great Britain, and Russia against all their enemies.
Article 3
The French and British fleets shall render active and permanent assistance to Italy...
Article 4
Under the Treaty of Peace, Italy shall obtain the Trentino, Cisalpine Tyrol with its geographical and natural frontier, as well as Trieste, the counties of Gorizia and Gradisca, all Istria as far as the Quarnero and including Volosca and the Istrian islands of Cherso and Lussin, as well as the small islands of Plavnik, Unie, Canidole, Palazzuoli, San Pietro di Nembi, Asinello, Gruica, and the neighbouring islets...
Article 5
Italy shall also be given the province of Dalmatia within its present administrative boundaries...
Article 6
Italy shall receive full sovereignty over Valona, the island of Saseno and surrounding territory...
Article 7
Should Italy obtain the Trentino and Istria in accordance with the provisions of Article 4, together with Dalmatia and the Adriatic islands within the limits specified in Article 5, and the Bay of Valona (Article 6), and if the central portion of Albania is reserved for the establishment of a small autonomous neutralised State, Italy shall not oppose the division of Northern and Southern Albania between Montenegro, Serbia, and Greece... [/b] Article 8
Italy shall receive entire sovereignty over the Dodecanese Islands which she is at present occupying.
Article 9
Generally speaking, France, Great Britain, and Russia recognise that,... in the event of total or partial partition of Turkey in Asia, she ought to obtain a just share of the Mediterranean region adjacent to the province of Adalia...
Article 11
Italy shall receive a share of any eventual war indemnity corresponding to their efforts and her sacrifices.
Article 13
In the event of France and Great Britain increasing their colonial territories in Africa at the expense of Germany, those two Powers agree in principle that Italy may claim some equitable compensation...
Article 14
Great Britain undertakes to facilitate the immediate conclusion, under equitable conditions, of a loan of at least 50,000,000 pounds...
Article 16
The present arrangement shall be held secret.
Source: Great Britain, Parliamentary Papers, London, 1920, LI Cmd. 671, Miscellaneous No. 7, 2-7.
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Post by Arxileas on May 29, 2008 22:03:11 GMT -5
^ Suspicious like last time you gave me a forged version of events. Let me look into it's authenticity....
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Post by Teuta1975 on May 29, 2008 22:07:25 GMT -5
Also one in the 30's ?
Italy occupied Albania in 1939...and before that, there was a so-called King of Albania, the First King, Leka Zogu I, that was the strangest thing and the biggest gossip among the blue blood in Europe...and he wasn't admitted in their courts because didn't have blue blood...
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Post by Teuta1975 on May 29, 2008 22:08:49 GMT -5
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Post by Arxileas on May 29, 2008 22:14:39 GMT -5
Extracts from the Treaty of London, 26 April 1915 [/b] Article 7 Should Italy obtain the Trentino and Istria in accordance with the provisions of Article 4, together with Dalmatia and the Adriatic islands within the limits specified in Article 5, and the Bay of Valona (Article 6), and if the central portion of Albania is reserved for the establishment of a small autonomous neutralised State, Italy shall not oppose the division of Northern and Southern Albania between Montenegro, Serbia, and Greece...[/size][/font] [/b] [/quote] Can you read what the underlined really says ? RE explain, you know the treaty which was a forged one at network54.......Either unaware by you or not I do not know, so it is always best to be sure. I will find that alleged forgery and post it here. .
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Post by Toskaliku on May 29, 2008 22:20:58 GMT -5
In all these times Albania signed those under duress. Serbs had taken over the north and were killing Albanians all over while in the south Greeks armed by the Greek state were ethnically cleansing cities and regions in order to make them more Christian; thus in their eyes, Greek. Albania was also in serious political turmoil. All these are considered void today. None of them will be followed and all were nothing more than forced treaties.
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Post by Teuta1975 on May 29, 2008 22:21:28 GMT -5
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I don't know...please try to find it out...everywhere I have searched for it, that's more or less the result...but later I am gonna check it through JSTOR.
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Post by Toskaliku on May 29, 2008 22:25:32 GMT -5
I dont plan on living my adult life in America. Once I get my PhD I hope to move somewhere else and get a position in some university in that country. Hell I might even do my Masters outside the country. I wouldnt mind one day, when things improve in Albania, to settle down there on some of the property I have in Vlora.
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Post by Arxileas on May 29, 2008 22:53:49 GMT -5
teuta can't find it so leave it.
Found another one I had.
In 1915 the Treaty of London (26 April) not only accepted autonomy for Northern Epirus but also stipulated the transfer of this region to Greece. Although this agreement was a result of war-time conditions and the intend of the treaty was not fulfilled, it did afford recognition to the Greek claim to Northern Epirus and at the very least international acknowledgement of an historic Greek presence and identification with this region. After the First World War the Council of the League of Nations and in 1945 the Security Council of the United Nations have reiterated the guarantees afforded to the Greek minority by the Protocol of Corfu.
The communist regime of Enver Hodjia ignored all these agreements and conventions and proceeded to make every effort to extinguish the Greek identity and language of the Hellenic minority. Religious freedom, customs and tradition that had been practiced for centuries were not only prohibited but those caught speaking Greek or even conducting a Christian funeral faced harsh prison sentences and physical torture.
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Post by Duke John on May 29, 2008 23:04:46 GMT -5
Whet the f.... south Albania was Greece?
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Post by greek1234 on May 30, 2008 3:01:27 GMT -5
Whet the f.... south Albania was Greece? Yeh, theres a thing called history, you should bother learning some.
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Post by Panos on May 30, 2008 5:13:14 GMT -5
That Mayor abused his position & wasted tax payers money. A Mayor must act in good faith for the best interest of his constituents. Bi-lingual road signs are not in the best interest of all.
It is good to see he will be punished for going beyond his authority.
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Post by Duke John on May 30, 2008 8:32:20 GMT -5
Whet the f.... south Albania was Greece? Yeh, theres a thing called history, you should bother learning some. No chit? there is something called school where you learn how to write! "Heart" lmao Ok now someone tell me when was south Albania greece?
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