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Post by Teuta1975 on Apr 7, 2008 0:39:35 GMT -5
lol...
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 7, 2008 0:43:24 GMT -5
So you find other peoples misery funny, they were Nazi collaborators those Chams.
I geuss you'll deny Albanian ever was part of the Nazis then, right ?
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Post by Teuta1975 on Apr 7, 2008 0:47:02 GMT -5
I am talking before that Arxileas, before that...what had happened before that and why were some Albanian individuals allied with Nazis? And no, I don't find funny the suffering of other people...I was just thinking of those Albanians (inferior in number) as "lions" inside Greece...and Greece as a "sheep"...
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Post by albquietman on Apr 7, 2008 0:47:41 GMT -5
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Post by Teuta1975 on Apr 7, 2008 0:49:25 GMT -5
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 7, 2008 0:52:21 GMT -5
XA XA XA !!! Incredible, the chams were nazi colaborators and you're saying that they were victims ? They got what they deserved "traitors trying to Annex Epiros to Albania" Flame it up children, is amusing to say the least. ;-) Facts are in first post .
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Post by albquietman on Apr 7, 2008 0:56:29 GMT -5
Just posted the links Teuta, couldn't get the pics here for some reason See the pics Arxileas...do these greeks look like chams? In the third pic is Zervas himself between his "enemies", the germans...
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Post by Teuta1975 on Apr 7, 2008 0:56:59 GMT -5
Arxileas,
why it seems to me that you're stuck in 1945 and can't go 25 - 30 years back? It's nothing in history...there we should search the real reasons why a part of Tsams allied with Greeks. And yes, they are victims; especially those women in that video I posted for you some time past, whose sisters and children were massacred by Greeks and who were expelled by Greeks, accused to have collaborated with Nazi!!!! Do you believe that woman collaborated with Nazi? Or her sister, whose head was cut off???
and I mean this:
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 7, 2008 1:00:17 GMT -5
You are free to take us to the international court in Hague. I suppose it is time for Greece to raise claims about compensation on WWII from Albania as well ? Let's see who will get the most out of it. And if anyone laughs with what I have just said, I must remind you that your country was ANNEXED by Italy, not just occupied, so you were part of the Nazi axis. The case is international - law speaking a legal one. Advocates state so. That is the reasons Albania will never raise the chams issue on the highest diplomatic level, because to do so is to expose it's nazi war crimes past. .
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 7, 2008 1:01:42 GMT -5
Arxileas,
why it seems to me that you're stuck in 1945 and can't go 25 - 30 years back? No am not, your obviously not reading what I have written....For starters read the entire first post and don't be selective. .
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Post by julius on Apr 7, 2008 1:05:38 GMT -5
You are free to take us to the international court in Hague. ====================== If Hillary wins wait for it.
She herself has followed the issue.
If McCain wins wait for more...
otherwise...
The Epirus zone is undeveloped, unpopulated. It will happen naturally. Albs will go south, freely. Just like the good old times.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Apr 7, 2008 1:07:46 GMT -5
Arxileas, I'll do that tomorrow. Now it's too late and I have to go. Good night...don't forget to see the photos AlbQ posted....for collaborators with Nazis I mean... ps: AlbQ...very interesting photos. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 7, 2008 1:08:24 GMT -5
Read ma lips. There is no Cham issue BUT war criminals who got either expelled or ran to Albania to avoid prosecution. You know like the Communsts did.
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Post by albquietman on Apr 7, 2008 1:09:59 GMT -5
You are free to take us to the international court in Hague. I suppose it is time for Greece to raise claims about compensation on WWII from Albania as well ? Let's see who will get the most out of it. And if anyone laughs with what I have just said, I must remind you that your country was ANNEXED by Italy, not just occupied, so you were part of the Nazi axis. The case is international - law speaking a legal one. Advocates state so. that is reasons Albania will never raise the chams issue on the highest diplomatic level, because to do so is to expose it's nazi war crimes past. You didn't say anything about the pics Arxileas...I wanted to remind the saying that a pic is worth a thousand words...simple math, we got 3 pics times 1000 equal 3000 words ....you're not even close to that number to make your case... How hard is to annex a country after that country is invaded? I don't think is too hard, right? But including that country as part of whatever organization or axis the invader takes part is not right, because the invaded country has no option or choices anymore...think Irak today, so drop that axis thingy about Albania, its plain non-sense. Too late here too...goodnight Teuta and have a good day there in Australia Arxileas...
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 7, 2008 1:11:01 GMT -5
Arxileas, I'll do that tomorrow. Now it's too late and I have to go. Good night...don't forget to see the photos AlbQ posted....for collaborators with Nazis I mean... ps: AlbQ...very interesting photos. Thanks for sharing. Its called dosilogos regarding the priest perhaps if he was a traitor or a priest complying due to fear .There are traitors everywhere with no exception. No surprise. The above still stands. Explain the pics, dates,sources, who took them everything.
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 7, 2008 1:13:22 GMT -5
You are free to take us to the international court in Hague. I suppose it is time for Greece to raise claims about compensation on WWII from Albania as well ? Let's see who will get the most out of it. And if anyone laughs with what I have just said, I must remind you that your country was ANNEXED by Italy, not just occupied, so you were part of the Nazi axis. The case is international - law speaking a legal one. Advocates state so. that is reasons Albania will never raise the chams issue on the highest diplomatic level, because to do so is to expose it's nazi war crimes past. You didn't say anything about the pics Arxileas...I wanted to remind the saying that a pic is worth a thousand words...simple math, we got 3 pics times 1000 equal 3000 words ....you're not even close to that number to make your case... How hard is to annex a country after that country is invaded? I don't think is too hard, right? But including that country as part of whatever organization or axis the invader takes part is not right, because the invaded country has no option or choices anymore...think Irak today, so drop that axis thingy about Albania, its plain non-sense. Pics can be misresented mate with simple explanations.Do you admit the Chams were Nazi collaborators ? You have not answered me on the Chams, were they Nazi collaborators, a simple yes or no..
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Post by albquietman on Apr 7, 2008 1:16:56 GMT -5
I got to go mate...we'll continue tomorrow...have a good day
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 7, 2008 1:18:13 GMT -5
I can Manipulated images too.
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 7, 2008 1:19:15 GMT -5
I got to go mate...we'll continue tomorrow...have a good day Come again....... Bye for now. .
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Post by albquietman on Apr 7, 2008 22:50:16 GMT -5
Let's get back to the discussion Teuta asked in one of her posts why some of chams collaborated with the Italians and Germans (greek did too, as the pics above tell us), but she didn't get any answer from you. I'll try to explain why, because behind every action there is a reason, and chams had a reason too. The cham problem didn't start after WW2, but long time before that, in early 1920s, when the greek government started expelling them from Greece, just because they were Muslims. According to the Greeks they were turks, so they had to leave. The Albanian government at that time protested to the League of Nations, but Greeks argued by saying that " the term 'Albanian' could only be applied to those who were born in Albania, thereby excluding form consideration the Greek-born Albanian Muslims, who were equated with turks"(Miranda Vickers, The Albanians: A Modern History, page 113): books.google.com/books?id=IzI0uOZ2j6gC&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=chams+greece&source=web&ots=b9yJC_0S77&sig=VY9Dn25O36RSyP52aiiXJot03ww&hl=en#PPA112,M1 So, Arxileas, if you treat someone like you treated chams back in 1920s, you don't expect them to bring you flowers. Since Italy at that time promised them rights of course they would side with Italy...it's called politics. Since you greeks treated them like turks (read enemies) and started to expelling them to Turkey and stealing their properties, what did you guys expected for them, being on your side? And to make sure that chams will never get their properties back, you still are officially in war with Albania, but not with Italy that invaded you...isn't this a bad joke? By the way, the pics that I posted are not Photoshoped, believe me, I know Photoshop and I can tell when they are or not...
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