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Post by Arxileas on Mar 6, 2008 21:39:45 GMT -5
We welcome you to Himara, where the green of the endless olive groves intertwines with the diaphanous blue of the Ionian sea and the azure of the sky in a perfect harmony. The hospitality and the pride of it's inhabitants have been well known since early antiquity as the ancient historians Plinius, Stravon, Thoucidides, Homer and others have pointed out in their works. Our region has always been a favourite place of visit for many famous foreigners, among them scholars such as Lord Byron, W. Leake and Evliya Celebi. The municipality of Himara numbers 11037 inhabitants, a solid people with more than 85% Greek speaking as their mother tongue. Our municipality is mainly rural; as the area lack's urban planning, selecting the most suitable locations with regard to house building in older times, was solely based on folk tradition. A visitor arriving in Himara never feels like a stranger, as the locals greet him/her as they would an old acquaintance. At the local restaurants and taverns one can savour the traditional local dishes-absolutely scrumptious mind you- as well as international cuisine. The spotless beaches and the radiant sun from dawn to dusk, are just a couple of inviting features in Himara's natural settings, which our township has to offer in a truly bountiful manner. Pay the picturesque villages a visit, where the popular style of house building one comes across in the coastal area yet lives on and also experience the many traditional holiday fests that take place throughout the entire year. The Byzantine churches and the monasteries, timeless marvels of ecclesiastical architecture will surely live up to your expectations. www.himara.eu/index-en.htmlSource I found this article. www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/epirus-forum/5691-himaras-official-site.html
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 26, 2008 21:28:28 GMT -5
Νέος πρόεδρος στην "Ομόνοια"...
Συνήλθε στους Αγίους Σαράντα η 7η τακτική Συνδιάσκεψη της ΟΜΟΝΟΙΑΣ. Στις εργασίες, τα στελέχη της ΟΜΟΝΟΙΑΣ και τα μέλη της συνδιάσκεψης τοποθετήθηκαν με ιδιαίτερη υπευθυνότητα και πλήρη επίγνωση των εξελίξεων στην ευρύτερη περιοχή. Τέθηκαν θέματα όπως: Η κατοχύρωση των περιουσιών, η επιστροφή της εκκλησιαστικής και μοναστηριακής περιουσίας, η απογραφή με ελευθερία έκφρασης της εθνικής και θρησκευτικής ταυτότητας, η πρόσβαση στα ΜΜΕ, στην δημόσια διοίκηση, η πολιτιστική αυτονομία, τα εκπαιδευτικά δικαιώματα κ.ά.
Νέος πρόεδρος της ΟΜΟΝΟΙΑΣ εξελέγη από την συνδιάσκεψη ο Βασίλης Μπολάνος, δήμαρχος της Χιμάρας. Στο αμέσως επόμενο χρονικό διάστημα η νέα ηγεσία της Ομόνοιας θα προχωρήσει στην βελτίωση του καταστατικού και του εσωτερικού κανονισμού, στην συγκρότηση νέων τοπικών οργανώσεων, στο άνοιγμα στους Βορειοηπειρώτες που ζουν και εργάζονται στον ελλαδικό χώρο κ.ά.
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Post by albquietman on Mar 27, 2008 9:45:26 GMT -5
I thought you guys had stopped dreaming about it...well, everybody has the right to dream, but in your case your dreams will never come true...sorry.
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 27, 2008 13:51:57 GMT -5
atlantis your not wanted on this forum, your spamming ways with copy and paste jobs is not wanted here. Simple.
Topic cleaned.
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Post by fannoli on Mar 27, 2008 13:59:59 GMT -5
what makes this site official?
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Post by toskali4springbrk on Mar 27, 2008 14:00:59 GMT -5
^^ nothing. Anyway, let the village with no birthrates and continual Muslim immigration have its way for a little. Pretty soon we might have to consider converting its churches.
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 27, 2008 14:24:44 GMT -5
^ Cyber melty when upset Albquiteman what's wrong mate ? Don't they deserve long over due Autonomy, if they wish it ? .
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Post by fannoli on Mar 27, 2008 14:26:01 GMT -5
^^ nothing. Anyway, let the village with no birthrates and continual Muslim immigration have its way for a little. Pretty soon we might have to consider converting its churches. I guess the greek user heimarra making a site from Boston makes it official all of a sudden.
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Post by bordura on Mar 27, 2008 15:08:32 GMT -5
Himara autonomous??? It's is like declaring autonomous a room at the Empire State building! Comon guys jokes and teasing on the side. Have really any of you been there? Do you know what are you talking about? It is a just village dammit!!! And it is 50 /50 Greek and Albo speakers. And nowadays it is almost empty of people younger that 35-40. I have 5-6 friends from Himara. All of them bilingual. And we joke a lot about it we are good friends. They all hope openly having autonomy and stuff like that. When i ask them why it is very simple to them, not because of Greeknes not because of heritage and bulchit, but so they can get Greek citizenship equal EU passport and opaaaa their life it is easy. Oh also they want that Greek pension of 200 Euros that Athens automaticaly grants to every on ein albania that declares and register itself as Greek. They hope if they act Greek they will get better life faster then the rest of Albanians. And they are good opportunists. The funiest one is this friend of mine with family name KOKA (meaning head in Albanian). He loughs about it and says: i'm dying to get that flucking S at the end of my name so i can be called KOKAS, but no reall hopes just dreams His all family speaks greek and they get 200 euro each just declaring greeknes. So it is a villagers game guys for small gain do not put to much politics on it the other minoritar erieas it is diffrent story they do constitue a much compact reality
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Post by albquietman on Mar 27, 2008 15:29:53 GMT -5
^ Cyber melty when upset Albquiteman what's wrong mate ? Don't they deserve long over due Autonomy, if they wish it ? . Arxileas, I understand your patriotic feelings, but don't you think that you're overreacting a little more than it is supposed to? We're talking about Himara here, a village in South Albania. I am from that part of Albania originally (close to Himara), and I was there last summer. I didn't hear anybody there talking about autonomy and all that stuff that we read here all the time. I even went to the other villages around Himara, but I didn't hear such stuff either. There is no greek minority there, but only greek speakers, grekofone as we call them. There is a difference between the two. The former is a greek, and the last is an albanian that speaks greek. That's what you guys do not comprehend. Have you ever noticed their last names? Starting from Bollano all of their last names are of albanian origin. Why these albanians are "feeling" greeks? Well, that's simple...it's all about money and nothing else...they don't know anything else to do, so they chose to "feel" greek...I think that's listed as a business in Albania now...anything that puts money in your pockets is a business, isn't it?
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Post by toskali4springbrk on Mar 27, 2008 15:36:00 GMT -5
What does it matter anymore what they feel like? A bunch of rotting grannies with their seeds all in Greece. The place is dead. Hell I say lets move in some Kosovars and Malsors to revitalize the place.
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 27, 2008 15:36:01 GMT -5
Me over reacting ? I don't think so more like a red herring for strawman fallacy, I'm just the messanger Any ways back on topic. Geographical Data:The greater part of the Hellenic minority in Albania lives in a 5,000 km² area of southern Albania close to the Helllenic Border. The Region is called Northern Epiros , referring to the historical state of Epiros. Population:The Hellenics estimate the Greek minority in Albania to be 280,000 people of a total population of approximately 3,200,000. Languages:Hellenic. Organisations:The Hellenic Minority in Albania is represented in the UNPO by the Democratic Union of the Hellenic Ethnic Minority in Albania (OMONIA). Its goal is to be recognised as a minority, to be granted unrestricted rights of travel to their motherland and the rights to restore the cultural traditions of the Hellenic minority. Brief History:The 3rd century entire Epiros by the Hellenics was ruled by the Ottoman empire for almost 500 years. 1912 The Great Powers´ Ambassadorial Conference in London Declared Albania an autonomous state. 1913 Epiros was divided between Albania and Hellas. A new boundary between two countries was drawn by the International Commission for Definition of Boundaries. Northern Epiros came under Albanian control. 1917 According the Protocol of Corfu, Northern Epiros region would have its own administration system and government representation. 1921 The Albanian Declaration on the Protection of Minorities was proclaimed. The minority group assurances contained in the Declaration were not respected. 1946 The Paris Conference of Allies gave Hellenic participants false hopes that Northern Epiros would be reunited with Hellas. 1955 Despite of Hellas objecting to the admission of Albania to the UN until the border question was settled, Albania was admitted into the UN. 1994 Talks began between Albania and Hellason the status of the Greek Minority in Albania and the Albanians in Hellas but without results. 1995 Hellas and Albania agreed to develop a friendship treaty and a joint committee to regulate seasonal work for Albanians in Hellas was established. 1996 Three Hellenic language schools were opening. Historical background:Most of the Hellenic Minority in Albania live in southern Albania, a region called Northern Epiros by Hellenics , referring to the historical state of Epiros which was divided between Albania and Hellas in 1913. They speak Hellenic and the principal religion is Hellenic Orthodox. In 1913, Northern Epiros came under Albanian control. The Hellenics have lived in that region since the third century B.C.. The region was a part of the Ottoman Empire for almost 500 years until the beginning of the 20th century. The decline of the Ottoman Empire created drastic changes in the Balkan area. In December 1912, the Great Powers' Ambassadorial Conference in London declared Albania an autonomous state. A year later, the Florence Agreement divided Epiros, conceding the northern part to Albania. A new boundary between Hellas and Albania was drawn by the International Commission for Definition of Boundaries. The signing of the Protocol of Corfu in 1914 insured that the Northern Epiros region would have its own administration and government. This protocol also recognized the rights of the Hellenic Minority and provided self-government under nominal Albanian sovereignty. In 1920, Albania was admitted to the League of Nations under the condition that its government would give formal assurances that the rights of ethnic and religious minorities would be fully respected. This was undertaken in the form of the Albanian Declaration on the Protection of Minorities, proclaimed on October 2, 1921. These assurances, however, were not respected and by 1934, all non-state schools had been closed. Hellas brought the issue to the Council of the League of Nations, which referred it to the Permanent Court of International Justice and in 1935, this court decided that Albania had to restore the right of its minorities to establish their own schools. Gross violations of human rights were committed against all citizens of Albania under the communist dictator, Enver Hoxha, who wielded total power from 1941 until his death in 1985. His Prime Minister, Ramiz Alia, took over in 1985 until the communist regime collapsed in 1991. The Hellenic minority suffered from religious persecution and the denial of its national and cultural identity.
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 27, 2008 15:40:56 GMT -5
What does it matter anymore what they feel like? A bunch of rotting grannies with their seeds all in Greece. The place is dead. Hell I say lets move in some Kosovars and Malsors to revitalize the place. Acording to him they are only low life scumbags Albanians who are getting paid by the Greek government to declare themselves Greeks ? Oh please. .
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Post by toskali4springbrk on Mar 27, 2008 15:49:32 GMT -5
Go there and see for yourself Arxi. Short ride from Salonica. Even some the houses are rotting and crumbling. Himara stays nice because of money coming in from the diaspora, but the demographic drop is not going to keep it around forever. All of the children there during the summer just wish to head back to Greece already and dont quite care while the older population is dying out.
Its true, the faces in Himara, by and large, look Alb like. Many even speak Alb better than Greek. But they can be whatever they wish, they are dying. And yes, its largely the older generation thats getting money from the greek govt. Go see their rallies, its all white haired while Albania has a young population.
No, im not mad or scared, Arxhi Mekanikos. Im optimistic. They are dying and within a few generations, they will be gone.
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 27, 2008 15:52:09 GMT -5
Go there and see for yourself Arxi. Short ride from Salonica. Even some the houses are rotting and crumbling. Himara stays nice because of money coming in from the diaspora, but the demographic drop is not going to keep it around forever. All of the children there during the summer just wish to head back to Greece already and dont quite care while the older population is dying out. Its true, the faces in Himara, by and large, look Alb like. Many even speak Alb better than Greek. But they can be whatever they wish, they are dying. And yes, its largely the older generation thats getting money from the greek govt. Go see their rallies, its all white haired while Albania has a young population. No, im not mad or scared, Arxhi Mekanikos. Im optimistic. They are dying and within a few generations, they will be gone. If your not worried why post and the hysteria ? I'm posting some facts here regarding a pressing issue the Greeks may want to know. P.s the more you press on this or acknowledge it shows , your hiding something. .
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Post by toskali4springbrk on Mar 27, 2008 15:54:38 GMT -5
Because Im in the forum and have nothing else to do. This involves my country so I have every right to post. Your the one posting stuff about my country and people somehow losing sovereignty over a piece of territory the size of a village. Im simply giving you a taste of reality. Unlike the Kosovars, who keep on growing in Kosovo, or Albs of FYROM, Himariots and the Greeks of southern Albania are dying out, emigrating etc. PS: What annoys me more is not this post, but people trying to guess my emotional status over the internet. You dont know me mechanic, dont act like you do.
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 27, 2008 15:57:20 GMT -5
Because Im in the forum and have nothing else to do. This involves my country so I have every right to post. Oh ok so it an issue to be a concern for you then, thanks for the input. BUT that wasn't why it was posted, not to rattle you up or any other Alb. BUT to inform the Greeks on their forum.
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Post by toskali4springbrk on Mar 27, 2008 16:00:59 GMT -5
And Albs have a right to present the reality as they have lived it.
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 27, 2008 16:09:52 GMT -5
And Albs have a right to present the reality as they have lived it. And no one is denying you, only that there shouldn't be any Trolling, no Spamming any stuff posted without reference “no links etc;” would be dealt with accordingly within the rules. Above all it should be very civilised from both parties.
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Post by Arlin on Mar 27, 2008 16:16:17 GMT -5
Well if you want it you will have to buy it from my family as it owns half of Vuno/Jale (the most pristine of the 9 villages, with the most beautiful beach and sea-caves). And it's not money they will accept Anyways I'll tell you a bit about it. The towns are generally built on the hill and the entire place is ONLY old people. Mind you though, these are old people who can outrun all of us, because they carry their shopping up those coble street every day. The funniest thing is that there is usually only one bar for the town and people use binoculars to see if their drinking buddy is there or not before they make the trip down. Yes the majority of people there have emigrated to Greece (as a lot of southern Albania has). People there speak greek AND italian as a second/third language. Let's not forget the italian ruins are also a big part of this place's appeal. by albanian etimology Himara = hi(ash) + mare (kind of tree) Besides even if it were so, it would have been part of Epir - which you used to call barbarians = non-greek... But honestly, people here are quite at peace with their Albanian and Greek identities so you are the only one getting worked up about it. That's it from me... back to work to make more money so I can go visit this summer bordura Where did you visit? PS. Forgot to mention, people from this are are also known for 2 things: Beautiful eyes and absolute tricksters
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