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Post by Niklianos on Mar 18, 2008 22:00:52 GMT -5
It seems comical to me that the Albanians here always avoid ancient sources specifically mentioning Albanians or Albania.(The name in entirety and not just Alb or Albo or Alba)
In Strabo's Geography Book 11, 4. 1-2 pgs. 223,225,227,229,231
I excluded the even pages due to being in ancient Greek.
"1. The Albanians are more inclined to the shepherd's life than the Iberians and closer akin to the nomadic people, except that they are not ferocious; and for this reason they are only moderately warlike. They live between the Iberians and the Caspian Sea, their country bordering on the sea towards the east and on the country of the Iberians towards the west. Of the remaining sides the northern is protected by the Caucasian Mountains(for these mountains lie above the plains, though their parts next to the sea are generally call Ceraunian), whereas the southern side is formed by Armenia, which stretches alongside it; and much of Armenia consist of plains, though much of it is mountainous, like Cambysene, where the Armenians border on both the Iberians and the Albanians.
2. The Cyrus, which flows through Albania, and the other rivers by which it is supplied, contribute to the excellent qualities of the land; and yet they thrust back the sea, for the silt, being carried forward in great quantities, fill the channel, and consequently even the adjacent isles are joined to the mainland and form shoals that ate uneven and difficult to avoid; and their unevenness is made worse by the back-wash of the flood-tides. Moreover, they say that the outlet of the river is divided into twelve mouths, of which some are choked with silt, while the others are altogether shallow and leave not even a mooring-place. At any rate, they add, although the shore is washed on all sides by the sea and the rivers for a distance of more than sixty stadia, every part of it is inaccessible; and the silt extends even as fas as five hundred stadia, making the shore sandy. Near by is also the mouth of the Araxes, a turbulent stream that flows down from Armenia. But the silt which this river pushes before it, thus making the channel passable for its stream, is compensated for by the Cyrus.
3. Now perhaps a people of this kind have no need of a sea; indeed, they do not make appropriate use of their land either, which produces, not only every kind of fruit, even the most highly cultivated kind, but also every plant, for it bears even the evergreens. It receives not even slight attention, yet the good things all "spring up for them without sowing and ploughing," according to those who have make expeditions there, who describe the mode of life there as "Cyclopeian." In many places, at any rate, they say, the land when sown only once produces two crops or even three, the first a crop of even fifty-fold, and that too without being ploughed between crops; and even when it is ploughed, it is not ploughed with an iron share, but with a wooden plough shaped by nature. The plain as a whole is better watered by its rivers and other waters than the Babylonian and the Egyptian plains; consequently it always keeps a grassy appearance, and therefore is also good for pasturage. In addition to this, the climate here is better than there. And the people never dig about the vines, although they prune them every fifth year; the new vines begins to produce fruit the second year, and when mature they yield so much that the people leave a large part of the fruit on the branches. Also the cattle in their country thrive, both the tame and the wild.
4. The inhabitants of this country are unusually handsome and large. And they are frank in their dealings, and not mercenary; for they do not in general use coined money, nor do they know any number greater than one hundred, but carry on business by means of barter, and otherwise live an easy-going life. They are also unacquainted with accurate measures and weights, and they take no forethought for war or government or farming. But still they fight both on foot and on horseback, both in light armour and in full armour, like the Armenians.
5)They send forth a greater army than that of the Iberians; for they equip sixty thousand infantry and twenty-two thousand horsemen, the number which they risked their all against Pompey. Against outsiders the nomads join with the Albanians in war, just as they do with the Iberians, and for the same reasons; and besides, they often attack the people, and consequently prevent them from farming. The Albanians use javelins and bows; and they wear breastplates and large oblong shields, and helmets made of the skins of wild animals, similar to those worn by the Iberians. To the country of the Albanians belongs also the territory called Caspiane, which was named after the Caspian tribe, as was also the sea; but the tribe has now disappeared. The pass from Iberia into Albania leads through Camysene, a waterless and rugged country, to the Alazonius River. Both the people and their dogs are surpassingly fond of hunting, engaging in it not so much because of their skill in it as because of their love for it.
6. Their kings, also are excellent. At the present time, indeed, on king rules all the tribes, but formerly the several tribes were ruled seperately by kings of their own according to their several languages. They have twenty-six languages, because of the fact that they have no easy means of intercourse with one another. The country produces also certain of the deadly reptiles, and scorpions and phalangia. Some of the phalangia cause people to die laughing, while others cause people to die weeping over the loss of their deceased kindred.
7. As for gods, they honour Helius(Sun), Zeus, and Selene(Moon), but especially Selene; her temple is near Iberia. The office of the priest is held by the man who, after the king, is held in highest honour; he has charge of the sacred land, which is extensive and well-populated, and also of the temple slaves, many of whom are subject to religious frenzy and utter prophecies. And any one of those who, becoming violently possessed, wanders alone in the forests, is by the priest arrested, bound with sacred fetters, and sumptuously maintained during that year, and then led forth to the sacrifice that is performed in honour of the goddess, and, being anointed, is sacrificed along with other victims. The sacrifice is performed as follows: Some person holding a sacred lance, with it is the custom to sacrifice human victims, comes forward out of the crowd and strikes the victim through the side into the heart, he being not without experience in such a task; and when the victim falls, they draw auguries from his fall and declare them before the public; and when the body is carried to a certain place, they all trample upon it, thus using it as a means of purification.
8. The Albanians are surprisingly respectful to old age, not merely to their parents, but to all other old people. And when people die it is impious to be concerned about them or even to mention them. Indeed, they bury their money with them, and therefore live in poverty, having no patrimony. So much for the Albanians. It is said that Jason, together with Armenus the Thessalian, on his voyage to the country of the Colchians, pressed on from there as far as the Caspian Sea, and visited, not only Iberia and Albania, but also many parts of Armenia and Media, as both the Jasonia and several other memorials testify. And it is said that Armenus was a native of Armenium, one of the cities on Lake Boebeis between Pherae and Larisa, and that he and his followers took up their abode in Acilisene and Syspiritis, occupying the country as far as Calachane and Adiabene; and indeed that he left Armenia named after himself."
Wow that is a pretty detailed description of a land in the Caucuses named Albania. I wonder what ever happened to those Albanians and if they even exist in that part of the world anymore? I will let you know what else I discover.
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Post by isisgoing on Mar 19, 2008 1:27:07 GMT -5
The Albanians are more inclined to the shepherd's life than the Iberians and closer akin to the nomadic people, except that they are not ferocious; and for this reason they are only moderately warlike. The way greeks describe their neighbors, the Albanians, does not match what Ptolemy observed. He must have been speaking to these people in their original language.
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Post by atlantis on Mar 19, 2008 8:47:05 GMT -5
The Byzantine Empire.
From Illyria to Albania.
When the Roman Empire divided into east and west in 395, the territories of modern Albania became part of the Byzantine Empire. As in the Roman Empire, some Illyrians rose to positions of eminence in the new empire. Three of the emperors who shaped the early history of Byzantium (reigning from 491 to 565) were of Illyrian origin: Anastasius I, Justin I, and--the most celebrated of Byzantine emperors--Justinian I. In the first decades under Byzantine rule (until 461), Illyria suffered the devastation of raids by Visigoths, Huns, and Ostrogoths. Not long after these barbarian invaders swept through the Balkans, the Slavs appeared. Between the 6th and 8th centuries they settled in Illyrian territories and proceeded to assimilate Illyrian tribes in much of what is now Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Serbia. The tribes of southern Illyria, however--including modern Albania--averted assimilation and preserved their native tongue. In the course of several centuries, under the impact of Roman, Byzantine, and Slavic cultures, the tribes of southern Illyria underwent a transformation, and a transition occurred from the old Illyrian population to a new Albanian one. As a consequence, from the 8th to the 11th century, the name Illyria gradually gave way to the name, first mentioned in the 2nd century AD by the geographer Ptolemy of Alexandria, of the Albanoi tribe, which inhabited what is now central Albania. From a single tribe the name spread to include the rest of the country as Arbri and, finally, Albania. The genesis of Albanian nationality apparently occurred at this time as the Albanian people became aware that they shared a common territory, name, language, and cultural heritage. (Scholars have not been able to determine the origin of Shqiperia, the Albanians' own name for their land, which is believed to have supplanted the name Albania during the 16th and 17th centuries. It probably was derived from shqipe, or "eagle," which, modified into shqipria, became "the land of the eagle.") Long before that event, Christianity had become the established religion in Albania, supplanting pagan polytheism and eclipsing for the most part the humanistic world outlook and institutions inherited from the Greek and Roman civilizations. But, though the country was in the fold of Byzantium, Albanian Christians remained under the jurisdiction of the Roman pope until 732. In that year the iconoclast Byzantine emperor Leo III, angered by Albanian archbishops because they had supported Rome in the Iconoclastic Controversy, detached the Albanian church from the Roman pope and placed it under the patriarch of Constantinople. When the Christian church split in 1054 between the East and Rome, southern Albania retained its tie to Constantinople while northern Albania reverted to the jurisdiction of Rome. This split in the Albaniachurch marked the first significant religious fragmentation of the country.
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Post by slowdent on Mar 19, 2008 9:00:17 GMT -5
Albanians come from Albania Caqueta Colombia......
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Post by Kastorianos on Mar 19, 2008 9:50:44 GMT -5
Let me move this to the albanian forum.
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Post by rex362 on Mar 19, 2008 10:23:00 GMT -5
good move .....now an Alb mod can delete it ...
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Post by Niklianos on Mar 19, 2008 18:15:57 GMT -5
good move .....now an Alb mod can delete it ... Why delete it Rex? It is from a legitimate ancient source and not propagandistic druel! All I did is look through my Strabo books and low and behold an ancient people and land called specifically Albania! It does not say Alb, Alba, Albo, etc as the sources your compatriots use to make a connection to the Illyrians. From what I have found the Albanians who existed in the area of Armenia and Iberia no longer exist, but yet the Armenians. It seems that it could be very plausible that the Turks could very well have Islamicized those ancient people and later resettled them in the Balkans. The reality of the matter is that these Albanians are the only ones ever mentioned in ancient times. Why is that? Why is it that a small insignificant mountain Illyrian tribe come to be the name of an entire culture, especially after there was no mention of Albs for more than 500 years until the 'Albanians' came onto the scene?
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Post by Niklianos on Mar 19, 2008 18:23:09 GMT -5
There was not any helenic nation before Greek revolution. It has been only greek-speakers without ethnic background, who learned the greek language attending the church. The real nation who was greek were albanians called arvanites which " BELEIVED THEY WERE GREEKS" and in a certain way they "WERE". After revolution these "greeks" started to teach their children the artificial language "katharevusa" which was a language used only for: Diplomacy, church literature,liturgy etc(a imitation of ancient greek)+ demotic or known as ROMAIC(another phantom language misteriosly appeared since 11 century). And whoooola the new nation which doesnt know limits in its arrogance and hypocrisy. Really is that your professional liguist's opinion? Or is that your professional archaeological opinion? Or is that your professional Historical opinion? If you want to make claims SHOW YOUR EVIDENCE! I have waited in the Greek forum but have yet seen any evidence that supports what you claim. I have been very patient with you and your research but it is wearing very thin. All I have done is provide a direct ancient source which discusses Albania and it's people. But because it doesn't fit the theories your compatriots have brought forth as to your origins then you do not respond with counter arguments but with MORE INSULTS towards the Greek people! So what's the big deal if the Albanians originated in the Caucasus near Armenia and Iberia instead of the Balkans? Or what's the big deal if your people are not descended from the Illyrians? If these Albanians discussed by Strabo and his sources are your actual ancestors then all it shows is that your people are an ancient one which has existed for at least the past 2000+ years!
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Post by Niklianos on Mar 19, 2008 18:39:28 GMT -5
The Byzantine Empire. From Illyria to Albania. In the course of several centuries, under the impact of Roman, Byzantine, and Slavic cultures, the tribes of southern Illyria underwent a transformation, and a transition occurred from the old Illyrian population to a new Albanian one. As a consequence, from the 8th to the 11th century, the name Illyria gradually gave way to the name, first mentioned in the 2nd century AD by the geographer Ptolemy of Alexandria, of the Albanoi tribe, which inhabited what is now central Albania. From a single tribe the name spread to include the rest of the country as Arbri and, finally, Albania. The genesis of Albanian nationality apparently occurred at this time as the Albanian people became aware that they shared a common territory, name, language, and cultural heritage. ( Scholars have not been able to determine the origin of Shqiperia, the Albanians' own name for their land, which is believed to have supplanted the name Albania during the 16th and 17th centuries. It probably was derived from shqipe, or "eagle," which, modified into shqipria, became "the land of the eagle.") Long before that event, Christianity had become the established religion in Does anyone else have a problem with this 'Theory'? It makes a claim that over the time from the 8th century to the 11th century the little known mountainous tribe Alboi somehow managed to become the name for the Illyrians all over the region!? Wow really? I wonder why there is no further info on how this occurred? Furthermore you Albanians do not even call yourself Albanian but Shqiptar! So the problem I have with such claims is how do a people who don't even call themselves Albanian in their own language claim such a thing? 1)One small mountainous tribe called Alboi. 2)300 year period where Illyrians disappeared and the small mountainous tribe the Alboi became the dominant name for all the Illyrians who lived in the area. 3)We have a people who claim this theory even though they don't call themselves by that designation. Does anyone else see a problem?
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Post by rex362 on Mar 19, 2008 20:33:22 GMT -5
I thought you were educated and an archeologist's
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 19, 2008 20:41:52 GMT -5
Ella Niklianos,
where do you see the problem and what's the problem you see?
the antique historians also mentioned Dardania, Scodrani, Lissus, Avlona, Lapis, and Dyrrahym people beside Albos...do you have any doubt the people inhabited those areas are not Albanians?
No matter how the names change in the course of history, still exist something for sure: a group of people inhabiting an area for a long time keep having the same language and traditions for a long time.
No matter how many invasions are there, no matter how many other tribes and influences, something remains deep inside; from both cultures (the conquerers and the people who live there)...
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 20, 2008 1:18:56 GMT -5
Returning to Greek Forum. ---------- Back to the topic 1) I have been analyzing some genetic maps (I will post my analysis in several weeks) and combined them with some other info. Kosovo and some corresponding Alb regions seem to have western European genetic impact (via Celts?) in noticeably higher proportions then most of the surrounding Balkan areas. In fact it is so notesible that the major genetic impact in western Balkans (Hercegovina has highest proportions of it) is cut in two because of it as the same extends over Epirus and parts of Greek Macedonia and some other sections of western Greece. It clearly shows territorial interruption that would have most likely entered from N of Kosovo. ( Notice territorial interruption) Haplogroup I1b1* (P37.2) accounts for most of the Haplogroup I component in the Y-chromosome diversity of Eastern European populations, reaching its peak in the Western Balkans, most notably in Dalmatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina (40 - 50%). The high frequency and diversity of Haplogroup I1b1* among populations of the Western Balkans lends support to the hypothesis that the Adriatic region of modern-day Croatia served as a refuge for populations bearing Haplogroup I1b1* during the last glacial maximum. Western Balkan Distribution: Croats 37,0 / Bosnians 53,65 / Hercegovians 70,91 / Serbs 36,28 / Kos Albs 7,96 / SlavMacs 34,17 / Mac Roma 5,26Now 'Celtic' Impact Haplogroup R1b originated prior to or during the last glaciation, when it was concentrated in refugia in southern Europe and the Aegean. It is the most common haplogroup in Western Europe, but has been found at low frequency as far away as Iran and Korea. It is also found in North Africa where its frequency surpasses 10% in some parts of Algeria[3]. In south-eastern England the frequency of R1b is about 70%; in parts of the rest of north and western England, Spain, Portugal, Wales and Ireland, it is as high as 90%; and in parts of north-western Ireland it reaches 98%."Western Balkan Dictribution: Croats 15,70 / Bosnians 1,40 / Hercegovians 3,55 / Serbs 10,62 / Kos Albs 21,10 / SlavMacs 5,06 / Mac Roma 1,752) Linguistically Albanian language shows certain affinities with Romanian (perhaps Dacian substrate) in words found in only these two languages. Celts (Scordisci?) were present in Pannonia and Dacia (they even had a country called Galatia in Anatolia and their movement towards eastern Europe in 3 cen. BC was reported to be upwards of 300,000 people for that time which is relatively numerious) and could have easily intermixed with Dacians which later as perhaps Carpi moved southwards towards present locations in a time frame between 7cent and 11 cent AD where they albanized linguistically locals (N Albania and S Albania). Also I have listened to some Celtic languages from western Europe and soundwise (I am not speaking of Vocabulary but sounds) it has clear similarities with Celtic languages (to give you an idea, they sound gentle and French is Latin with Celtic accent). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpiansen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scordisci3) Insofar it appears (from all the theories I have come across this one appears most plausible) that linguistically Dacian or Celto-Dacian population (Carpi?) might be ancestors or originators of what is now referred to as Albanian language. As they arrived they gradually assimilated (Epirotic and other) locals, grew in numbers over centuries to assume the form we know today. The fact that numbers 1 and 2 above perfectly complement each other is the reason why this appears to be the case. Of course extensive work needs to be done but I do believe that we have starting points.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 20, 2008 7:13:11 GMT -5
"The tribes of southern Illyria, however--including modern Albania--averted assimilation and preserved their native tongue."
And yet nearly all the cities, towns, mountains, rivers etc...are derived from serbian.
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Post by Duke John on Mar 20, 2008 8:11:30 GMT -5
I think this is the right thread for the list of the biggest towns and cities,mountains ,rivers and etc, in serbian, novi would you make a list?
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Post by greek1234 on Mar 20, 2008 8:47:45 GMT -5
Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia/ Herzegovina, and Serbia can claim to be Illyrians just as much as you can. The Northern Balkans spoke Latin and the Southern Balkans Greek, Illyrian was basically extinct just like Thracian and other ancient Balkan languages. After all by late antiquity Illyrian was only spoken by isolated mountain communities. The educated, merchants eg.. Spoke Greek or Latin.
They all spoke Greek and Latin and only Greek and Latin....
Anastasius is a Greek name meaning "resurrection". Anastasius I was born in Dyrachium which was heavily populated by Greeks since antiquity. He was nicknamed "Dicorus" meaning two pupiled since he had one black eye and one blue eye.
Justin I was either Illyrian or Thracian. He was Illiterate but still spoke Latin. (What does that show?) He came from the Latinophone region of Dardania which was part of the province of Illyricum. (Even Greece was part of this province)
Justinian I also spoke Latin even though he was a peasant.
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Post by atlantis on Mar 20, 2008 14:06:02 GMT -5
It seems comical to me that the Albanians here always avoid ancient sources specifically mentioning Albanians or Albania.(The name in entirety and not just Alb or Albo or Alba) In Strabo's Geography Book 11, 4. 1-2 pgs. 223,225,227,229,231 Wow that is a pretty detailed description of a land in the Caucuses named Albania. I wonder what ever happened to those Albanians and if they even exist in that part of the world anymore? I will let you know what else I discover. Hey , You just proving my point .....you belongs to the speculators ...the big ones.... Don’t bring Strabos as you like here ....but as he is .... I’ll be back with the facts latter on....just busy today....
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 21, 2008 0:45:08 GMT -5
I wonder: Albanians in Caucasus...did the others name them or did they name themselves??? What did the word Albanian mean to them and since when did they learn Latin??? I would suggest to see the etymology of the word Albania in Caucasus and how Albanians of Balkan were called by that time...and why were they called Arber and Alb and Olboneses and why is not the same as Albaneses in Caucasus...
PS: sometimes the name of a country is derived by how the others call you (our case and Greek's case) ..ex: Greaks (one tribe in South Italy) was enough as to call all Hellenic tribes Greeks; Albanians = Arber tribe and Latin influence... and some other times on how you decide to call yourself...from Albanians to Shqiptar...
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Post by atlantis on Mar 21, 2008 9:36:43 GMT -5
The name of the Caucasian place was actually AGHBANIA or ALWANIA, but historians and translators have manipulated it to Albania. This subject has no basis and should be considered scrap. It has been disproved many many times. Actually in every authentic encyclopedia, it warns in the beginning that the place should not be confused with Albania. this is what a encyclopedia says about the caucasian albanians: Ancient population of Aghbania Aran was a legendary ancestor and the eponym of the Albanians (Aghvan). Caucasian Albanians were one of the Ibero-Caucasian peoples, the ancient and indigenous population of modern southern Dagestan and Azerbaijan. The Mannaeans had one of the earliest states recorded as being established in the area as far as the Kura from ca. 800 BC, and they were rivals of Urartu and Assyria for most of their existence, but were eventually destroyed and assimilated by the Medes under Cyaxares in 616 BC. In ancient times, they were heavily mixed with the Persian people who settled in the area during the Achaemenid, Parthian and Sassanid periods; and beginning with Alexander's conquests, the region south of the Kura became known as Media Atropatene (after Atropates, one of his generals). Ancient tribes of the Caucasian Albania were: Hers, Gargars, Gels, Caspians, Uties, Saks, and Sodes, who along with other tribes, constituted the Albanian tribal union. According to Strabo (1st C), the number of the Albanian tribes reached 26. Creation of the Caucasian Albanian kingdom and its regions The kingdom of Caucasian Albania (Aghbania) was founded in the late 4th - early 3rd century BC. The initial capital of the kingdom was Kabalaka (present-day Gabala) and then Partaw (present-day Barda). One of main regions of Caucasian Albania, Hereti, was a part of Georgia (Kakheti region of Eastern Georgia) since the end of the 7th century. For centuries, this region had been a part of Persia. Since 1921, the part of Hereti now in the districts of Kakhi, Belakani and Zakatala, has been a part of Azerbaijan. Another historical part of Albania, Artsakh (present-day Nagorno-Karabakh), is presently occupied by Armenian military forces. Armenian historians claim that Artsakh is and has been culturally a part of Armenia since ca. 100 BC. Caucasian Albania and Armenian conquests Parts of Caucasian Albania, including Artsakh and Uti on the right bank of the Kura river, were conquered by the Armenians. Armenia, according to Strabo, "a small country" on the sources of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, was expanded at this time by the kings Artashes and Zariadrij. They created an empire, often called Greater Armenia by Armenian historians. Strabo, Ptolemy and Pliny all write that at this time, the border between Albania and the Greater Armenian empire was through the river Kura. In 66 BC, following the defeat of the Armenian king Tigranes II at the hand of the Romans, the Armenian empire lost most of its territory. At this time, the Albanians regained control over their right bank territories conquered by Armenians. According to the ancient historian, Moses Kalankaytuk, author of "History of Aghvank", at this time, the southern border of Caucasian Albania was along the Araks river. Thus, referring to the events in 1st c. AD, he mentions "…someone from the family of Sisakan, one of the descendants of Yafet-Aran who inherited the plains and mountains of Albania beginning from the river Yeraskh (Araks) up to the castle of Hunarakert." (II, 21). The Armenian historian Moses of Chorene, who is considered in Armenian historiography "the father of Armenian history", also confirmed that Caucasian Albania's border was along the Araxes in the 1st century A.D. Little is known about the history of Caucasian Albania during the 1st-4th centuries. During this time, part of Aghbania was conquered again by the Armenian kings, and they alternated control over the territory on the right bank of Kura (Artsakh and Uti provinces) several times until 387, when the Armenian kingdom was partitioned between the Persians and Romans. Aghbania, as an ally of Sassanid Persia, regained all the right bank of the river Kura up to river Araxes, including Artsakh. Spreading of Christianity in Caucasian Albania Caucasian Albania was one of the first countries where Christianity was adopted from the 4th century, when the Albanian Church was formed. In the 4th-5th centuries Christianity became established in Aghbania, and this led to a rapprochement with Byzantium, and a corresponding cooling-down in the relationship between Aghbania and Sassanid Persia. In a battle that took place in 451 AD in the Avarayr field, the allied forces of the Armenian, Albanian and Iberian kings, devoted to Christianity, suffered defeat at the hands of the Sassanid army. Many of the Albanian nobility ran to the mountainous regions of Albania, particularly to Artsakh, that became a center for resistance to Sassanid Iran. The religious center of the Albanian state also moved here. In 498 AD (in other sources, 488 AD) in the settlement named Aluen (Aguen) (present day Agdam region of Azerbaijan), an Albanian church assembly was held to adopt laws further strengthening the position of Christianity in Albania. Dissolution of the Albanian kingdom In the 7th century AD, the kingdom was abolished by the Arabs and, like all Islamic conquests at the time, assimilated into the Caliphate. From the 8th century, Caucasian Albania existed as the principalities of Aranshahs and Khachin, along with various Iranian and Arabic principalities: the Principality of Shedadians, the Principality of Shirvan, the Principality of Derbent, etc. As a result of the expansion of Seljuks (Turks) into the territory of modern Azerbaijan in the 11th century, the indigenous Albanian population was assimilated. Albanians played a significant role in the ethnogenesis of today's Azeris. Albanian Alphabet and Language Ancient Armenian historian, Koriun, in his book "The Life of Mashtots", wrote: "Then there came and visited them an elderly man, an Albanian named Benjamin. And he [Mesrop] inquired and examined the barbaric diction of the Albanian language, and then through his usual God-given keenness of mind invented an alphabet, which he, through the grace of Christ, successfully organized and put in order." (see Koriun, Ch. 16). According to Moses Kalankaytuk, the Albanian alphabet was invented by Mesrob Mashdots, an Armenian monk, theologian and linguist (see Moses Kalankaytuk, The History of Aluank, I, 27 and III, 24). The Albanian alphabet was rediscovered by a Georgian scholar, Professor Ilia Abuladze in 1937. The alphabet was found in manuscript No. 7117, the Armenian language manual of the 15th century. This manual presents different alphabets for comparison: Armenian, Greek, Latin, Syrian, Georgian, Coptic, and Albanian among them. The Albanian alphabet was titled: "Aluanic girn e" (Albanic letters). Abuladze made an assumption that this alphabet was based on Georgian letters. The Udi language, spoken by 8000 people in mostly Azerbaijan, and also Georgia , is thought to be the last remnant of the language once spoken in Caucasian Albania. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania
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Post by atlantis on Mar 21, 2008 10:07:41 GMT -5
Beside that greek Academics are the bigest liars in the entire world. www.greecetravel.com/archaeology/mitsopoulou/language.htmBy Theresa Mitsopoulou Today, the word--Albania--is referred to as "Alebaniya" in Chinese. This word is believed to be derived from the Latin word: "Aibainiya". (The "l" in Albania came about later in Greek and in Latin as these languages evolved). Poignantly, in modern Chinese, "bai" means "snow white". In the ancient Chinese language, "ai" means "snow white" without the "b"--not in reference to the young maiden and her seven dwarfs however! Rather, "snow white" refers to the dramatic descriptions of the snow white mountains of Albania which bring to mind the many horrid tragedies the Greek soldiers faced during World War II upon such mountains. Now tell me who is lying ??
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 21, 2008 16:51:43 GMT -5
did you alabaniyans come before our after the slavs into the balkan? greeks are one of the oldest people in ancient greece epirus,macedonia etc...
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