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Post by atlantis on Mar 22, 2008 20:42:08 GMT -5
learn ...........at least ........
The history is like this; 12000-10000 years ago some prehistoric albanians went in Asia and north Africa and founded respectively : Semitic civilisation and Egyptian-Lybian civilisation. Their languages vary from their original language(prehistoric-albanian) not in its core. Their skin was not the same like their grandfather but was a "SEMI". They returned back in "home" which was """"Hellas"""" in many waves starting with Karanos. They created the greek cities-states displacing the "PELASGIANS WHO NEVER MOVED FROM THEIR LAND". These kind of people were overlaped by a ILLYRIAN tribe: the DORIANS. This DORIANS(the real greeks) lost their language(probably during dark ages) in the sea of "phoenician-egyptian" language but they ruled over the semitic people stired with them. Those are the greeks until new era my dear and "beloved intelectual." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We are here before the God created the Moon
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 23, 2008 4:49:38 GMT -5
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 23, 2008 5:45:56 GMT -5
Wow that is a pretty detailed description of a land in the Caucuses named Albania. I wonder what ever happened to those Albanians and if they even exist in that part of the world anymore? I will let you know what else I discover. Slavic place names in Albania are historically recorded but NO Albanian place names before the Slavic ones are in existent ?! But geuss what Niklianos, Albania and the Caucasus region have identical place-names Coincidence Just a few, of the many identical place-names between Albania and Caucasus to note: Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti (Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran) Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe) Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.) Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea) Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish") Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura") Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli Albo-Skuraj - Caucasus-Skuria Coincidence Some things to consider or look into : 1) The Albanians were never mentioned in Byzantine, (not even of the works by Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus), Arab, Armenian or any other texts before the 12th cent. 2) Albanian language is classified as an IE language only because no one has been able to classify it into any other group, and this is because no one has yet studied all the Caucasus languages. Albanian might have IE sounding words, but its basic structure and syntax are more similar to Chechen and Udish than to any IE language. Many Albanian words do sound Indo- European, because Albanian has borrowed over 80% of its vocabulary, more than any other European language. The Chechen language is similar to Albanian. They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian. The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see: CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA Ti Les Nikilianos 3) Their alphabet interestingly enough, had Arabic letters untill 1908 when the alphabet they use today was adopted. 4) The most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Rumanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria. 5) The Adriatic coast may have not been part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages. 6) Another indication against local Albanian origin is the insignificant number of ancient Greek loanwords in Albanian. If the primitive home of the Albanians had been Albania itself, then the Albanian language would have to have many more ancient Greek loanwords. 7) The fact that Albanian is totally alien to the Illyrian language based on the Messapic inscriptions found in tombs. 8) The Illyrian city names mentioned in ancient times that were kept do not follow the Albanian sound change laws, suggesting that they were late borrowing from an intermediary language (most likely Romance or Slavic), rather than inherited (for example ancient Aulona should have been inherited in modern Albanian as Alor? instead of Vlore. 9) Ptolemy in Book 5 chapter 15 titled "Location of Illyria or Liburnia, and of Dalmatia" (The Fifth Map of Europe) Never mentions the alleged "albanopolis" that they support he has, and can be found at 46 degrees and 41 degrees 45', but when you look up what he really has writen, you find the city of Thermidava. 10) Out of a list of 40-50 Illyrian city names known to us only 2-5 of the Albanian city names can be connected to them. 11) There is NO MEMORY!!! of the Illyrian past in the Albanian cultural heritage. 12) Hard evidence is the Turkish censuses carried out in 1455, they indicate that Albanian names are found in only 80 of the 600 villages listed in the area, and that they did not constitute territorial groups, ruling out any assumptions that zones evenly and continuously inhabited by Albanians existed at the time. 13) The first Albanian dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development. Just some of it for now. If I decide to or not to publish more findings that will be up to me. .
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Mar 23, 2008 8:56:36 GMT -5
Hey we come from a different planet? Didnt you realise that? .... Hey I thought you guys new that!!
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 23, 2008 9:08:04 GMT -5
Hey I thought you guys new that!! Knew is spelled with a "K" at the start "Knew". Just helping ! Cheers.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Mar 23, 2008 9:53:32 GMT -5
There is nothing to discuss with Albanians concerning history before 1200.. I need Egyptians,Persians,Italians,Serbs and Bulgars to discuss .... you guys are too new..... Someone said you were warriors during the Ottoman times.... I beg to differ on that...you were far from warriors.... what you were was modern day Al-quada ..... selling your services for terrorism against Christians..which included Albanians...... you had no scruples .... were just hired guns... in Byzantines era Albanians mentioned in 1001 (not 1200) while greek nation never mentioned! you createt fake nation (read: not state but nation) after 1800 ,even we Albanians liberatet Modern Greece from turks but anyway where were those greeks a.k.a middle easttern? haha a? it is that you pretend on Alexander the Great because you never had history in medivial era or any heroes, even We Albanians createt Modern Greece.
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Post by myzeqari on Mar 23, 2008 9:58:17 GMT -5
whoa Arxileas, i actually didn't expect such a weak deduction from you in my wildest dreams, to say pathetic would imply that we associate some flimsy historical value to your rancid version of events and language comparison, i am actually weeping at your unbridled stupidity and malintent, your deliberate distortion of linguistics and selective historical facts is nothing short of despicable and ill hearted, u should be choking on your ignorance right now, u should be writhing on the floor with agony for this historical heresy u just commited, you mentally malnourished turko-arab offspring.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Mar 23, 2008 10:02:07 GMT -5
whoa Arxileas, i actually didn't expect such a weak deduction from you in my wildest dreams, to say pathetic would imply that we associate some flimsy historical value to your rancid version of events and language comparison, i am actually weeping at your unbridled stupidity and malintent, your deliberate distortion of linguistics and selective historical facts is nothing short of despicable and ill hearted, u should be choking on your ignorance right now, u should be writhing on the floor with agony for this historical heresy u just commited, you mentally malnourished turko-arab offspring. he use article of member of this forum psycho hajduke (he can find all answer and jokes about that article in old forum) even this hajduke have articles when say modern greeks are just serbs and those in Eastern greeks are turk...lol Arxileas proved just is crying loser and illiterate
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Post by atlantis on Mar 23, 2008 10:03:57 GMT -5
We are here before the God created the Moon.
I’m not done .........I’m just getting wormed up......... I know myself I’m not really good in English but greeks looks to be worst understanding....
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Post by atlantis on Mar 23, 2008 10:07:01 GMT -5
..............Continued ................
We are here before the God created the Moon
Titus Livius or Livy (59 BCE - 17 CE): Roman historian, author of the authorized version of the history of the Roman republic.
After that the people appointed as King Tullus Hostilius, the grandson of that Hostilius who had made the noble stand against the Sabines at the foot of the citadel: the fathers confirmed the choice. He was not only unlike the preceding king, but even of a more warlike disposition than Romulus. Both his youth and strength, and, further, the renown of his grandfather, stimulated his ambition. Thinking therefore that the state was deteriorating through ease, he everywhere sought for an opportunity of stirring up war. It so happened that some Roman and Alban peasants mutually plundered each other's lands. Gaius Cluilius at that time was in power at Alba. From both sides ambassadors were sent almost at the same time, to demand satisfaction. Tullus had ordered his representatives to attend to their instructions before anything else. He knew well that the Alban would refuse, and so war might be proclaimed with a clear conscience. Their commission was executed in a more dilatory manner by the Albans: being courteously and kindly entertained by Tullus, they gladly took advantage of the king's hospitality. Meanwhile the Romans had both been first in demanding satisfaction, and upon the refusal of the Alban, had proclaimed war upon the expiration of thirty days: of this they gave Tullus notice. Thereupon he granted the Alban ambassadors an opportunity of stating with what demands they came. They, ignorant of everything, at first wasted some time in making excuses: That it was with reluctance they would say anything which might be displeasing to Tullus, but they were compelled by orders: that they had come to demand satisfaction: if this was not granted, they were commanded to declare war. To this Tullus made answer, "Go tell your king, that the king of the Romans takes the gods to witness, that, whichever of the two nations shall have first dismissed with contempt the ambassadors demanding satisfaction, from it they [the gods] may exact atonement for the disasters of this war." This message the Albans carried home.
Preparations were made on both sides with the utmost vigour for a war very like a civil one, in a manner between parents and children, both being of Trojan stock: for from Troy came Lavinium, from Lavinium, Alba, and the Romans were descended from the stock of the Alban kings. However, the result of the war rendered the quarrel less distressing, for the struggle never came to regular action, and when the buildings only of one of the cities had been demolished, the two states were incorporated into one. The Albans first invaded the Roman territories with a large army. They pitched their camp not more than five miles from the city, and surrounded it with a trench, which, for several ages, was called the Cluilian trench, from the name of the general, till, by lapse of time, the name, as well as the event itself, was forgotten. In that camp Cluilius, the Alban king, died: the Albans created Mettius Fufetius dictator. In the meantime Tullus, exultant, especially at the death of the king, and giving out that the supreme power of the gods, having begun at the head, would take vengeance on the whole Alban nation for this impious war, having passed the enemy's camp in the night-time, marched with a hostile army into the Alban territory. This circumstance drew out Mettius from his camp: he led his forces as close as possible to the enemy; thence he despatched a herald and commanded him to tell Tullus that a conference was expedient before they came to an engagement; and that, if he would give him a meeting, he was certain he would bring forward matters which concerned the interests of Rome no less than of Alba. Tullus did not reject the offer: nevertheless, in case the proposals made should prove fruitless, he led out his men in order of battle: the Albans on their side marched out also. After both armies stood drawn up in battle array, the chiefs, with a few of the principal officers, advanced into the midst. Then the Alban began as follows: "That injuries and the non-restitution of property claimed according to treaty is the cause of this war, methinks I have both heard our king Cluilius assert, and I doubt not, Tullus, but that you allege the same. But if the truth must be told, rather than what is plausible, it is thirst for rule that provokes two kindred and neighbouring states to arms. Whether rightly or wrongly, I do not take upon myself to determine: let the consideration of that rest with him who has begun the war. As for myself, the Albans have only made me their leader for carrying on that war. Of this, Tullus, I would have you advised: how powerful the Etruscan state is around us, and around you particularly, you know better than we, inasmuch as you are nearer to them. They are very powerful by land, far more so by sea. Recollect that, directly you shall give the signal for battle, these two armies will be the object of their attention, that they may fall on us when wearied and exhausted, victor and vanquished together. Therefore, for the love of heaven, since, not content with a sure independence, we are running the doubtful hazard of sovereignty and slavery, let us adopt some method, whereby, without great loss, without much bloodshed of either nation, it may be decided which is to rule the other." The proposal was not displeasing to Tullus, though both from his natural bent, as also from the hope of victory, he was rather inclined to violence. After consideration, on both sides, a plan was adopted, for which Fortune herself afforded the means of execution.
It happened that there were in the two armies at that time three brothers born at one birth, neither in age nor strength ill-matched. That they were called Horatii and Curiatii is certain enough, and there is hardly any fact of antiquity more generally known; yet in a manner so well ascertained, a doubt remains concerning their names, as to which nation the Horatii, to which the Curiatii belonged. Authors incline to both sides, yet I find a majority who call the Horatii Romans: my own inclination leads me to follow them. The kings arranged with the three brothers that they should fight with swords each in defence of their respective country; assuring them that dominion would rest with those on whose side victory should declare itself. No objection was raised; the time and place were agreed upon. Before the engagement began, a compact was entered into between the Romans and Albans on these conditions, that that state, whose champions should come off victorious in the combat, should rule the other state without further dispute. Different treaties are made on different conditions, but in general they are all concluded with the same formalities. We have heard that the treaty in question was then concluded as follows, nor is there extant a more ancient record of any treaty. The herald asked King Tullus, "Dost thou command me, O king, to conclude a treaty with the pater patratus of the Alban people?" On the king so commanding him he said, "I demand vervain of thee, O king." The king
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..........to be Continue ............
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Post by myzeqari on Mar 23, 2008 10:08:22 GMT -5
whoa Arxileas, i actually didn't expect such a weak deduction from you in my wildest dreams, to say pathetic would imply that we associate some flimsy historical value to your rancid version of events and language comparison, i am actually weeping at your unbridled stupidity and malintent, your deliberate distortion of linguistics and selective historical facts is nothing short of despicable and ill hearted, u should be choking on your ignorance right now, u should be writhing on the floor with agony for this historical heresy u just commited, you mentally malnourished turko-arab offspring. he use article of member of this forum psycho hajduke (he can find all answer and jokes about that article in old forum) even this hajduke have articles when say modern greeks are just serbs and those in Eastern greeks are turk...lol Arxileas proved just is crying loser and illiterate oh well that explains it then, someone needs to put a warning label on these demented fools
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Post by atlantis on Mar 23, 2008 10:14:35 GMT -5
They have nothing to say only the slavic craps speculation ..... .....The name of the Caucasian place was actually AGHBANIA or ALWANIA, but historians and translators have manipulated it to Albania. This subject has no basis and should be considered scrap. It has been disproved many many times. Actually in every authentic encyclopedia, it warns in the beginning that the place should not be confused with Albania. www.greecetravel.com/archaeology/mitsopoulou/language.htm
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Post by atlantis on Mar 23, 2008 10:24:44 GMT -5
The Byzantine Emperor Palaeologus , in 1415, is calling 'ARVANITES' Illyrians !!!
How interesting !!! Maybe the translator should have been more specific, according to you ??!!
Check this excerpt from an account written by another Byzantine Emperor John Catacuzene, the year is 1328; (Note; the emperor writes about himself)
'While the emperor was spending about eight days in Achrida (Ohrid), the Albanians living in the regions of Dealdos (Devoll) appeared before him, as well as those from Koloneia (Kolonia) and those from the vicinity of Ohrid. They paid homage to the Emperor and willingly offered him their services. THOSE WHO LIVED FARTHER AWAY ON THE BORDERS OF THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE were commanded by letters from the Emperor to hasten to Thessalonika to pay homage, which they did, a short time later. Meanwhile the emperor was staying in Thessaly, the unruly Albanians, LIVING in the THESSALIAN MOUNTAINS appeared before him, and according to their tribal leaders were called Malakasians, Buians, and Messarites ... A short time thereafter it was reported by the governors of the Western part of the Empire that the Albanian nomads from Balagrada (Berat) and Kanina, who are quick to rise to arms and are restless by nature had violated the treaty with the Emperor ...'
Note: ALBANIANS of ; DEVOLL, OHRID, KOLONIA, BERAT, KANINA (near VLORA), SELANIK, THESSALY, even farther, ' living in the borders of the Byzantine Empire,' ... they are ALL called by the Byzantines', with ONE name: 'ALBANIANS' .
In 1415 Paleologus calls 'ILLYRIANS' the same above ALBANIANS. Only 30 years later these people that you see them as 'ARVANITES' and who Paleologus calls Illyrians would rise again against their oppressors, with Scanderbeg, IN THE NAME OF THE KINGDOM OF ALBANIA.
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Post by atlantis on Mar 23, 2008 10:27:54 GMT -5
......give me your scrup answer now ............
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Post by myzeqari on Mar 23, 2008 10:47:34 GMT -5
i love this guy atlantis(in a non greek way that is),
Atlantis the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Mar 23, 2008 13:17:03 GMT -5
Greeks have been philosophising for thousands of years but they still cannot work out why they are all gay!
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Post by leandros nikon on Mar 23, 2008 13:41:12 GMT -5
ALBA WAS A MOUNTAIN NEAR ROME,IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ALBANIANS...AFTER ALL,YOUR ANCHESTORS WERE CALLED ILLYRIANS BACK THEN...ALBA IS A LATIN WORD WHICH MEANS WHITE...SCOTLANDS MEDIEVAL NAME WAS KINGDOM OF ALBA... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALBAi feel like i need to puke...so much mas..tion in here... (Please dont delete)
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Post by leandros nikon on Mar 23, 2008 13:44:17 GMT -5
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Post by leandros nikon on Mar 23, 2008 13:48:05 GMT -5
niklianos...too much already...sorry but i have to close this...the situation is out of control...if you disagree,just pm me...now i go to the bathroom,i dont feel very good...
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Post by Kastorianos on Mar 23, 2008 13:53:41 GMT -5
Aaaah thank you re atlantis, thank you so much for enlightening us!
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