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Post by atlantis on Feb 29, 2008 9:21:15 GMT -5
atlantis can you write that again in English teuta there was no need for you to edit your post, it was none offensive. I gave you an exhalt for your politeness teuta . Yaaa .....Iknow what you mean.....I didn't say greeks are not enough smart as we are ...........unfortunately only for one vote greek was voted as first longuage about 100 years ago otherwise we could speak albanian today .........clearly I didn't expect another answer......... thank you for holding my emotions..........you look repented .....just the memory is With the name of your General Metaxas you have created your own myth just tell us more about it................
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Post by Kassandros on Feb 29, 2008 15:15:54 GMT -5
"Albquietman, forget basil, the guy is not capable of making sense. He is a person controlled totally by emotions. " ---------------------------------------------------------- Only when I'm drunk.. lol lol "Kanaris, what do you see as progress for the present? The current situation is that the major greek political parties see the issue as inexistent, and the chams want their land back with a promise of not changing the borders (there is no reason why not to trust them - good coexistence in montenegro, and same in macedonia when their rights are respected) and with rights similar to the greek minority in albania. So what's your take on the situation?" --------------------------------------------------------------- I'll give an answer. Not an emotional one.. ... but a real-politic one.. FORGET Epirus!!! You bet on the WRONG horse in WW2! You lost...! Accept it as Germans accepted. C'est la vie. Thats real politic dude! You LOST! PS. ..please..dont become emotinal now for you lost...
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Post by julius on Feb 29, 2008 16:02:36 GMT -5
mavragorites and katadotes had made fortunes at that time. Fortunes that have until today. They bet on the wrong horse of course, but u didnt send them to alb.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Feb 29, 2008 16:23:06 GMT -5
Arxileas, thank you for the karma you don't need to exalt me! I have more karmas than I deserve...but you didn't answer to my question: tell me honestly if you can stand in front of those people and tell them it's propaganda, what their reaction would be? PS: don't smite me now... ;D
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 29, 2008 16:39:05 GMT -5
but you didn't answer to my question: Yes I did you missed it, it's at page 4....There is no cham issue BUT an Epirotes issue...And that's the reality...See page 4. War criminals are that and don't deserve any sympathy. Tell me should the Jews compensate the Nazis for genociding them ? Grumble, grumble lol mialio pou exies
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 29, 2008 16:42:00 GMT -5
Tell me something so we can understand. All those Orthodox churches, Serb buildings destroyed and all that pillaging by Albs in Kosovo. Will you be saying the Serbs did all that in 20 years time ?
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Post by atlantis on Feb 29, 2008 16:52:37 GMT -5
US_Embasy was destroyed by Albs from kosovo .......is the last news
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 1, 2008 4:06:41 GMT -5
Julious "mavragorites and katadotes had made fortunes at that time. Fortunes that have until today. They bet on the wrong horse of course, but u didnt send them to alb" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Very good point Julious... and unfortunately you're right.
The ones who were not hunged immediately after Germans left... became members of the Democratic army against the commounists during the civil war.. and they escaped their faith.
Thats true... that is why a hate so much our civil war. Many good men died... and many scambags survived.
Tsams on the other hand... had the religion issue and that made them very distinctive in a "war zone"..
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Post by julius on Mar 1, 2008 7:27:08 GMT -5
NOBODY answered my question though. Which were the heroes, democratic party or communists? Zervas or Velouxiotis was the hero? And u are "poniroi" greeks. If u answer that it would mean again civil (cybernetical) war betwen yourselves. Did u know that around 2000 chams were fighting side by side with Aris, and that was one of the main reasons why Zervas was haunting them? Im proud of my alb fellows, they all declared that islam means sh!t to us, and to chams too. The main reasons why they were killed was because they were albs.
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 1, 2008 7:40:17 GMT -5
^ You too ? You missed it at page 4 of this topic. See a post titled “TSAMS” AND HELLENISM by me.
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 1, 2008 7:41:06 GMT -5
We are in page 5 of this topic now, so you know.
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Post by julius on Mar 1, 2008 7:49:23 GMT -5
How do u explain this:http://www.forumishqiptar.com/showpost.php?p=1840528&postcount=90
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 1, 2008 8:03:32 GMT -5
Did you read my post at all ? War criminals have no rights. You sided with the wrong side and payed the price, most Tzams left at their own fearing for their life’s.
Should the Jews compensate the Nazis for genociding them ? Who was the victims the Jews or the Nazis ?
You people are playing with fire distorting facts, shall we expect you to be blaming the Serbs for all the damage done in Kosovo "churches, Monasteries etc; in twenty years time ? Despite the world being fully aware who really did all the damage and pillaging.
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Post by julius on Mar 1, 2008 8:23:43 GMT -5
Im doubting with facts the relevance of your postings. What u have to say about the declaration of EAM? Which is the hero man, Aris or Zervas?
Let the Kosovo issue out of this. I ll be glad to discuss it in another topic. Alfa tv is saying chams were fighting with ELLAS. What u have to say about this? Am I telling the guy from "mixani tou xronou" what to say?
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 1, 2008 8:38:22 GMT -5
Im doubting with facts the relevance of your postings. Then what is the piont of it all if your doubting my postings. Because it doesn't suit you.
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 1, 2008 8:45:59 GMT -5
Alfa tv is saying chams were fighting with ELLAS. What u have to say about this? Am I telling the guy from "mixani tou xronou" what to say? Look it works like this, I ask a question then you reply = harmony and a possible understanding on both sides what going on ? What you guy's are doing is replying to my questions with questions, does that sound right ? Or opt for option B - Go to the human rights groups and voice your concerns. I ain't giving you the pleasure of refining your propagandas.
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Post by julius on Mar 1, 2008 8:46:14 GMT -5
Waiting for a better answer....
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 1, 2008 8:47:11 GMT -5
You ain't gonna get it unless you realise what I just wrote right before you.
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 1, 2008 8:48:10 GMT -5
I rather focus on the real issues and that is the Greek Epirotes issue, better time wasted I say.
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Post by julius on Mar 1, 2008 9:13:50 GMT -5
Lets have the basis of the conversation here. For me it doesent work that way. I ll explain u. The main question is were the chams haunted bcse allied with germans, or bcse they were albs? Or perhaps both.
For the first option: Were all the chams allied with germans? EAM says NO. Alfa tv says NO. Chams say NO. Pantios Uni research say NO. You?
were the chams haunted bcse they were albs? Well all of this has started long time ago. In the early 20'. Refuges from minor asia were replacing cham population. There was an incident in the year 24. Greece wanted them out. Our prime at that time Fan Noli said that he would do the same to "vorio epirotes" The things than calmed down, bcse your prime was arvanitis Th. Pangalos, he opened schools in our language etc.
Than Nazi came. Were the chams collaborationists with germans? Some of them yes. some of them fighted with Aris.
Was the ethnic cleaning right?
Hell NO. How on earth can u condemn a 10 years old boy, or an EAM fighter as collaboracionist? Did u chose which was criminal which not? Of course NO. Was it right? hell NO. And the things now are like this: the condemned chams want to go back, BUT "the victims greeks" dont grant them enter. How can this be posible? If they are criminals of war, Greece should be the first one to want them behind bars. U just dont want them to come back!!! This is insane. -------------------------------------------------------------- Or opt for option B - Go to the human rights groups and voice your concerns. I ain't giving you the pleasure of refining your propagandas. --------------------------------- This proves me that im right.
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