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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 6, 2008 19:48:52 GMT -5
Basil, Culture is the past which actually influences the present. But is not the case here...Here is mostly politics. The passion for money is not a new thing I believe...but if Albanians would have screwed up the neighbors for money...it's too much exaggeration; is called interest and Religion (especially Orthodoxism) is indeed very involved... aren't you contradicting yourself here? Weren't you who said that Albanians have it? Now who doesn't have it? ?
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 6, 2008 19:56:58 GMT -5
I think we both know very well that bias and stigmatization towards Albanians is the strongest "force" in Greece...it acts like an unwritten law...have you heard about its power? Don't tell me you do not realize it in Athens...don't deny the undeniable... Hellenism is a huge word...I personally admire it...but it takes a bad connotation when one gets automatically identified as Greek for being Hellene...and vice-versa. ;D ;D Hoxha had left the stage long ago...in 1990. The incident occurred in 1997...and it was Turkey that threatened Greece if they attacked Albania they were about to intervene or something... (and some good whispering advice by dearest EU) Let's hope for peace...but not with "Hellens" like Bollano who urged for independence for a village with 500 elders...
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 6, 2008 21:16:22 GMT -5
On May 5, 1914 the Corfu Protocol, written by the International Control Committee (England, France, Germany, Austria, Russia and Italy), was unconditionally accepted by the government of Albania. In this document, Vorio Epirus is declared an Autonomous Area, within the Albanian state.
Bollano is right when he claims for Independence of Vorio Epirus
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 6, 2008 21:21:27 GMT -5
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 6, 2008 21:36:49 GMT -5
The signing of the Protocol of Corfu in 1914 insured that the Northern Epiros region would have its own administration and government. This protocol also recognized the rights of the Greek Minority and provided self-government under nominal Albanian sovereignty.Not Independence. And Greek minority enjoys all these privileges today: they have their schooling, their language, their churches, their retirement plan (by both sides - Albania and Greece), representatives in Parliament, Self Government (Dear Bollano)...what's the matter with you? What do they need more? Any suggestion? Dear Greeks, what else to give them? To become Presidents of Albania?
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 6, 2008 21:50:12 GMT -5
The signing of the Protocol of Corfu in 1914 insured that the Northern Epiros region would have its own administration and government. This protocol also recognized the rights of the Greek Minority and provided self-government under nominal Albanian sovereignty.Not Independence. And Greek minority enjoys all these privileges today: they have their schooling, their language, their churches, their retirement plan (by both sides - Albania and Greece), representatives in Parliament, Self Government (Dear Bollano)...what's the matter with you? What do they need more? Any suggestion? Dear Greeks, what else to give them? To become Presidents of Albania? Enough with the propagandas ! Either support your claims or don't just Troll. Aren't you the one going around asking for links and sources !
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 6, 2008 21:55:18 GMT -5
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 6, 2008 21:58:17 GMT -5
Thank you and now what does this link say ? Let's look. The signing of the Protocol of Corfu in 1914 insured that the Northern Epiros region would have its own administration and government. This protocol also recognized the rights of the Greek Minority and provided self-government under nominal Albanian sovereignty. In 1920, Albania was admitted to the League of Nations under the condition that its government would give formal assurances that the rights of ethnic and religious minorities would be fully respected. This was undertaken in the form of the Albanian Declaration on the Protection of Minorities, proclaimed on October 2, 1921. These assurances, however, were not respected and by 1934, all non-state schools had been closed. Greece brought the issue to the Council of the League of Nations, which referred it to the Permanent Court of International Justice and in 1935, this court decided that Albania had to restore the right of its minorities to establish their own schools.
Gross violations of human rights were committed against all citizens of Albania under the communist dictator, Enver Hoxha, who wielded total power from 1941 until his death in 1985. His Prime Minister, Ramiz Alia, took over in 1985 until the communist regime collapsed in 1991. The Greek minority suffered from religious persecution and the denial of its national and cultural identity.
Current situation:
The Greek Minority in Albania continues to suffer. The Albanian government has cleaned ethnic Greeks from appointed positions of power. The violence is a part of a government plan to force ethnic Greek to abandon their homes in Albania and move south to Greece. A visit to Albania by US Congressman Tom Lantos, with Mr. Menelaos Tzelios led to Congressional action to put pressure on Albanian authorities.
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 6, 2008 22:01:13 GMT -5
Does it match on what you're saying ?And Greek minority enjoys all these privileges today: they have their schooling, their language, their churches, their retirement plan (by both sides - Albania and Greece), These assurances, however, were not respected and by 1934, all non-state schools had been closed. Greece brought the issue to the Council of the League of Nations, which referred it to the Permanent Court of International Justice and in 1935, this court decided that Albania had to restore the right of its minorities to establish their own schools.
Gross violations of human rights were committed against all citizens of Albania under the communist dictator, Enver Hoxha, who wielded total power from 1941 until his death in 1985. His Prime Minister, Ramiz Alia, took over in 1985 until the communist regime collapsed in 1991. The Greek minority suffered from religious persecution and the denial of its national and cultural identity.
Current situation:
The Greek Minority in Albania continues to suffer. The Albanian government has cleaned ethnic Greeks from appointed positions of power. The violence is a part of*government plan to force ethnic Greek to abandon their homes in Albania and move south to Greece. A visit to Albania by US Congressman Tom Lantos, with Mr. Menelaos Tzelios led to Congressional action to put pressure on Albanian authorities. .
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 6, 2008 22:11:52 GMT -5
Today is today....2008...in communism Albanians have suffered more than Greek minority. Trust me. I have lived that time. It was a dictatorship system for all of us. I strongly recommend you to go on a trip there...you're one of those people that take all the information from Internet and not from the real life. When you go there and see, I will happily listen to you accusing me of propaganda...
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 6, 2008 22:30:14 GMT -5
T oday is today....2008...in communism Albanians have suffered more than Greek minority. Trust me. I have lived that time. It was a dictatorship system for all of us. I strongly suggest you to go on a trip there...you're one of those people that take all the information from Internet and not from the real life. When you go there and see, I will happily listen to you accusing me of propaganda...Everyone has suffered from past and present goverments, every country under a communist or a fascist rule does and is a fact. But what you’re doing here is denying these Greeks of their rights by backing your past governments who did these acts on the Greeks as well as the Albanians. By denying the Greeks you’re also denying your own people rights. Example . We Albanian are victims of our past governments and on the hand we have not abused our ethnic minorities. Does this make sense to you ? No government in this planet would be soley abusive of their own people with out harming their ethnic groups. As for propagandas let the viewers see for them self’s how the facts have been misspresented . Maybe your not too familiar with English ? is you that’s harmed your self here now.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 6, 2008 22:48:22 GMT -5
Well, I am not very familiar with the English; it's true since I have been studying it for 3 years and a half only; but...my English is perfect when it comes to understand that you are not on the right track re: the Greek minorities' rights in Albania. Because I have lived it and I speak from my experience. Do not mix two historical times: Democracy and Communism; as you said: in Communism EVERYBODY was harmed equally,without exception. So Greek minority has no reason to complain more than I or than other Albanians. At least they were not persecuted. Now is different. Albanians do suffer more than Greek minority. Therefore I recommend you to go there...but likely there in Australia is a common perception without any real prove except the internet when it comes to Greek Minority in Albania. It must be the weather...
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 6, 2008 22:58:09 GMT -5
teuta can I bribe you to learn the Greek languange
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 6, 2008 23:07:17 GMT -5
Do I have any special reason to learn the Greek language? How about you learning Albanian
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 7, 2008 13:57:51 GMT -5
Teuta "Do I have any special reason to learn the Greek language? How about you learning Albanian" -------------------------------------------------------- Teuta... lets learning something that will be around the next 5000 years too Its like an investment..
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Post by albquietman on Mar 7, 2008 16:48:29 GMT -5
And what that would be, greek?
Please guys, don't fly too high...greek as language is spoken only by greeks in Greece and broken greek is spoken by greek immigrants like Kanaris and probably you. Yeah, I know that greek words are used internationally, but that doesn't make greek a spoken language all over the world...
By the way, don't try to tell me the story that I heard from greeks when I came in USA...I found it funny...I was told that when USA had to choose what language will be in use, greek lost by one vote to english...I hope you find it funny too, because it really is...
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 7, 2008 19:23:00 GMT -5
By the way, don't try to tell me the story that I heard from greeks when I came in USA...I found it funny...I was told that when USA had to choose what language will be in use, greek lost by one vote to english...I hope you find it funny too, because it really is... I will try because it had nothing to do with America. Like-minded Members of the European Parliament (M.E.P.) also brought a proposal to the floor in Brussels -- on four separate occasions -- that ancient Greek be adopted as the official language of the European Union. It should be noted that a proposal may only be brought four times before it is tabled. .
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 7, 2008 20:56:10 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D calm down guys...is not the language but the superpowers' language. As simple as that. If now I am struggling with the English, it is because English is an international language and USA is still a superpower...and if not...England is still strong... I needed Greek though for my profession back then (10 years ago), same as I needed Latin and Italian. But Latin and Old Greek are dead languages. New Greek has values and I always held a strong attraction for it, but cannot become an international language UNLESS Greece becomes a superpower. But as neighbor countries and especially if one likes history, (Balkan history like ourselves, who are trying to "kill" each-other with too much kindness) then is good to know as many Balkanic languages as possible. Since are only three (big groups) Greek, Serbo-Croatian and Albanian, I think is good for me to know Greek and is good for you to know Albanian (or Arvanitica if you wish, is the same thing as to have a vague clue on interpreting antique inscriptions that are incomprehensible and\or toponims. (Do you recall that thread where the oldest tribe was judged to be the Phyrgian because of the word: bekos which meant bread? If you knew Albanian you would see the similarities. Also the same goes for Orikum! (Not denying Greek language)...but as I said: wait 'till Greece or Albania become superpowers to pretend those languages to become international.
PS: Some people say Japonese or Chinese will be the languages of the future, but I doubt it because is too hard for Europeans and Middle Eastern people to deal with it. The second one they say is gonna be the Spanish, yet I doubt it for South America is not as developed....so...English is gonna be for some time since is England in the middle which influences Europe and American Continent (including Canada and Australia)...
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Post by rex362 on Mar 7, 2008 21:08:28 GMT -5
Borat would say the biggest language in the world is sexxy time love noises
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 8, 2008 0:16:31 GMT -5
shut up
Greek language will never die
as long as exist Greeks will also exist the Greek language
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