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Post by Arxileas on Mar 8, 2008 0:24:17 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D calm down guys...is not the language but the superpowers' language.
We are calm We are merely saying it's the language of the oldest and most advanced ever created. In fact it's the only language used in the most advanced computer systems known to man today. Because no other language get as close to it's superiority. If I spent 99 % of mine time on the Alb forum I then may want to learn the Alb language, since your here why not learn the Greek language .
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Post by kiki on Mar 8, 2008 0:24:55 GMT -5
teuta- i don't know where you live, but spanish will be 1 of the languages of the near future, by the year 2050, they estimate in usa alone- 140 million spanish/mexican people so many jobs here require you to know spanish spanish a must spanish prefererred ect. it's crazy
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Post by albquietman on Mar 8, 2008 1:31:14 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D calm down guys...is not the language but the superpowers' language.
We are calm We are merely saying it's the language of the oldest and most advanced ever created. In fact it's the only language used in the most advanced computer systems known to man today. Because no other language get as close to it's superiority. If I spent 99 % of mine time on the Alb forum I then may want to learn the Alb language, since your here why not learn the Greek language . I don't know how much you know about computers, but where greek is used on computers, or as you say in advanced computer systems? As far as I know, starting form the Basic computer language, continuing with Fortran, Algol and Pascal and finishing with C++, without mentioning Java and HTML, all this computer languages are in english...so where is the greek language contribution there? Don't you think that there is more than one language in this world, and greek is simply one of them? By the way, if some of us spend 99% of the time on the Greek forum, that's because where we find the most inaccurate posts about history...aren't friends and neighbors to help each other? We're just trying to help you guys...
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 8, 2008 1:56:55 GMT -5
Beware Greeks bearing Greeklish ;D
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 8, 2008 4:21:11 GMT -5
I am not trying to learn it >:(I am trying not to forget it
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 8, 2008 4:29:41 GMT -5
Kiki,
I know Spanish is a second language in USA, and it is because of the highest percentage of population in here. But is not an official language in the European circles nor in business world's market. What do I have to assume? That Albanian will be the second language in Greece, after some time? (this is as to make Arxileas, Basil and Karta nervous)/... ;D...but don't tell...
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 8, 2008 7:50:04 GMT -5
Second language? I think your thought and your knowledge on this issue have nothing to do with the reality. Listen how the reality goes in Greece: 60% of the second generation Albanians in Greece have a little knowledge of Albanian language. They dont even want to have any kind of connection with their villages or cities where their origins are back in Albania. They dont even want to travel once a year back to Albania. That means... they have fully rejected what makes them Albanians. Thy speak PERFECT Greek... and not the Greek immigrants usually speak, and they socialize mainly with Greeks without forming any kind of gettos. Of course there is not even ONE chance to move back to their fathers previous life in Albania. That is about the second generation of Albanians. I let you imagine the third or the fourth generation... In addition with the common dream between the Balkan people today (a property in Thessaloniki and a second house in Halkidiki) which is very obvious between Bulgarians and Rumanians since they will have that right the next 2-3 years... imagine.. Greek language is not just a dream or a romantic issue. Its a need! So honey, instead of searching for the second language in Greece.... try to figure out the first language in Balkans the following years. I let you imagine again....
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 8, 2008 8:26:10 GMT -5
We are calm We are merely saying it's the language of the oldest and most advanced ever created. In fact it's the only language used in the most advanced computer systems known to man today. Because no other language get as close to it's superiority. If I spent 99 % of mine time on the Alb forum I then may want to learn the Alb language, since your here why not learn the Greek language . I don't know how much you know about computers, but where greek is used on computers, or as you say in advanced computer systems?
As far as I know, starting form the Basic computer language, continuing with Fortran, Algol and Pascal and finishing with C++, without mentioning Java and HTML, all this computer languages are in english...so where is the greek language contribution there? Don't you think that there is more than one language in this world, and greek is simply one of them?Hellenic Quest is the name of CNN's web page where Apple Computer Company's new program, designed to teach the ancient Greek language electronically, will soon be featured. Initially, instruction will be offered to learners whose native language is English or Spanish. The course will be accompanied by sound and graphics. Apple executive, John Stalik, in announcing the launching of this new product, said: "We decided to promote the learning of the Greek language worldwide because our [global] community requires a tool which will encourage and enable creativity, will allow the infusion of new ideas, and will offer the ability to absorb concepts and knowledge that have been beyond the ability of most people to grasp till now. In other words, the manifestation of an ecumenical trend to return to the spirit and language of the ancient Greeks." In a related development, British entrepreneurs encourage their upper echelon management personnel to learn ancient Greek because of its unique importance in the management and organization of their operations. This was the conclusion reached by British specialists, who found that: "The Greek language imposes rationality and increases leadership skills. This is why it is such a valuable tool not only in the areas of communications and technology, but in organization and management." The unique attributes of the ancient Greek language are what prompted the University of California at Irvine to codify its riches in its now renowned Thesaurus Linguae Graecae. The brainchild of Professor of Classics, Marianne MacDonald, and made possible by the Ibycus system of David W. Packard, the TLG contains 6,000,000 word-forms [lektikoi tipoi] of the Greek language, whereas English has a total of 490,000 words and 300,000 technical terms ... The TLG contains 8000 literary works,.. and the effort continues [to publish more works] with subsidies provided by the American government. [This while our "grekili" politicians have succeeded in the virtual elimination of the teaching of ancient Greek in the "Greek" school system. Ed.] Responding to the question of why so much money should be spent upon the preservation and teaching of the ancient Greek language, distinguished professor Bruner [who worked on the project] replied: "It has to do with the language of our ancestors, and our ability to establish contact with them will enhance our culture."... The interest of scientists in the fields of Information Technology and Computer Science in the Greek language stems from the fact that: "The advanced technology of super computers will only accept the Greek language, as it is the only language capable of the comprehensive transmission of meaning." All other languages are considered to be merely "semiotic," whereas Greek is "noematic."A noematic language is one in which the "sign," i.e., the word, has a protogenic relationship to the object, situation, or idea that it is expressing. A semiotic language is one in which the "sign," or word, signifies the object, situation, or idea because common usage and consent have determined that that is what it means. In conventional languages, a word has been designated to mean something; in the Greek language, there exists an aetiological relationship between the object and the word, something non-existent in all other languages. The most advanced data systems, "Gnosis," and "Neuton," replicate the word-forms of the Greek language totally, and in perfect diagrammatical representations, something impossible to do with other languages. This is because Greek words have a mathematical structure that allows for their harmonious and geometrical depiction. Especially useful are such Greek combining word forms as "micro," "mega," "scope," etc. Computer scientists consider the Greek language "limitless." In other words, only in the Greek language are there no boundaries, and that's what makes it indispensable to the new disciplines of Information Technology, Communications, Electronic Cybernetics, and others.
In such sciences and disciplines, only the Greek language gives them the necessary noematic expressions they require, and without which it will be impossible for science to advance. Ibycus, Gnosis, Neuton: the most advanced data systems programs in the world; from Vladivostok to California, from the Artic to the South Pole, only the Greek language can meet all of their demanding requirements. Source. Davlos. October 2002. pp. 16197-8. Translation by staff. Emphasis added.LOL ! You actually made a funny ! .
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Post by albquietman on Mar 8, 2008 11:12:33 GMT -5
What I understand form the article you posted Arxileas is nothing new. Greek words are already being used in science and technology, but saying that the new language of the supercomputers will only be greek, it's a little too much. Why? At least what I understand, if we are talking about the same thing, a computer language is the computer program, which in todays computer world is based in english. The programing languages that I mentioned above are all in english, for the simple reason that all the designers of these languages are english speaking people. Now think about it, someone at Apple Computers (which by the way its share of the computer market is less than 10%) comes up with the idea of using ancient greek, just because he has a thing about the ancient greek. How many people know ancient greek in this world? So to be a programer in the future you should know ancient greek...nothing wrong with that and nothing against ancient greek and modern greek language, but don't you think that this is only an idea and so far nothing has been done in the real life. Just google it and you'll find nothing about it.
Again, don't get me wrong, I got nothing against greek language, and as a matter of fact as a greek speaking myself, I like it, but I think that you guys cross the lines when it comes to your language. As Teuta said, the popularity of a language depends on the number of people that speak that language, no matter if that language is sophisticated or not. And if it's not sophisticated, we people are able to make them sophisticated if we need to, since we are the inventors of everything. Here where I live, just because there were a lot of italians, italian use to be a second language. But now, after 10 years is not anymore, spanish and brazilian has taken its place.
So my point is that people tend to be practical, and that means you have to speak a language that most of the people speak so you can communicate (communication is everything), and not a language that a few people speak, no matter how beautiful and sophisticated is that language, and that applies on everything...
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 8, 2008 11:25:18 GMT -5
We are calm We are merely saying it's the language of the oldest and most advanced ever created. In fact it's the only language used in the most advanced computer systems known to man today. Because no other language get as close to it's superiority.
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albquietman cut the red tape no need to write a whole assay. I made a statement and proved my statement. And that is enough. Stop acting like the Mr. damage control man for others, they can handle them self's I am sure of it. Give em a chance....
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Post by albquietman on Mar 8, 2008 11:30:58 GMT -5
Lol...whatever Arxileas. For some reason it's hard for you to get over your style. Whenever you see that you can't debate anymore and run out of arguments, you jump on non-sense things like the one you just wrote...so, whatever, keep on jumping like this if that makes you feel better, no matter if it makes sense or not...
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 8, 2008 11:54:25 GMT -5
Well I am annoyed to the fact you post nothing of constructive in order to contribute so I don’t know how one can debate like that ? Your post now seems to be not only off topic but a character assassination attempt. I don’t see how that is constructive for a debate ? Whenever you see that you can't debate anymore and run out of arguments, I have debated my arguments is that supposed to be a red herring for a straw man fallacy from you now Ahhhh mate your wasting everyone’s time in here if you have nothing to contribute. Nothing personal just annoyed. Yia. .
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 8, 2008 12:50:51 GMT -5
Arxileas,
Albq is exposing some very interesting points and I am not annoyed by him. And the debate becomes even more constructive when it is carried in ENGLISH...
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Post by albquietman on Mar 8, 2008 13:03:39 GMT -5
Character assassination attempt?? Lol, you're entertaining me with your posts Arxileas (and that's good, because everybody needs some entertainment on weekends)...I'm afraid that you are using too much copy and paste here without knowing the real meaning of the words you use, because I fail to see where that can fit in my post. Since you claim that you're annoyed, I just wanted to clarify that my post wasn't directed to you, but to the poster that was talking about the greek language, and that would be Basilmacedon. So next time try to stay away from self-created annoyance... And by the way, I know that my post is out of topic, but I don't think I'm the only one here...for the rest whatever you say, I don't feel like arguing with you for something that doesn't make sense to me... Teuta thanks for the nice words
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Post by epiroti on Mar 8, 2008 13:13:55 GMT -5
It's all good and entertaining to see the way many of these people think... until one realises that they have as much power to vote and influence governments as smart and sensible people do!
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