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Post by Kanaris on Feb 8, 2008 12:48:00 GMT -5
Donnie...that was a pathetic move.... not expecting that from you... Now back to the subject...if someone lived 300 years ago in the area now called Albania and his name was Adruco or Dhiako... we can with great certainty claim they were Greek.... The same goes with people living in Greece back then and had names like Rexhepi Betim or Dritan... we can safely assume they were Albs.... Epiroti.....
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Post by epiroti on Feb 8, 2008 13:07:18 GMT -5
Kanaris, is it not possible that those people south albania who had greek-sounding names were given those names for religious reasons, instead of ethnic motives?! I think the religious motive really outweights the ethnic one. There are really a lot of turkish-sounding names in Albania too - does that mean they were turkish?!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 8, 2008 14:35:56 GMT -5
"There are really a lot of turkish-sounding names in Albania too - does that mean they were turkish?! "
Ofcourse, Ali Pasha "worked" for the sultan, would he have a problem giving his son/daughter to marry turks? Turkish back then didnt mean ethnicity but religion and collaboration with the empire. YOU WERE BOTH MUSLIM + COLLABORATORS.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 8, 2008 14:37:16 GMT -5
And please lets stopping spending time on a race who werent even on the map 100 years ago. alb this, alb that, whats that? albanomania?
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Post by leandros nikon on Feb 8, 2008 14:46:41 GMT -5
whatever! i dont care about matters of origin at all!what really matters to me is that THEY WERE GOOD GREEKS and they both contributed to the independence of my nation.once again,i say that plenty of turks have greek origin but they feel turkish and so they mean nothing to us... Very few albos have refused the greek concience of these people after all,and i think you arent included in my list... you may call me a simpleton or a chauvinist or whatever else you like...i dont care at all...what i really care about is that i dont wish the presence of*gigantic albanian minority in Greece...this is a tragic mistake and it should be corrected sooner or later or else we are going to pay dearly...we do know about your achievements in kosovo and fyrom,we do see the way your imperialism works,we know all about you... But even if its dificult to grab northwestern Greece from us,who told you-i ask again-that we wish the presence of*gigantic albanian minority in Greece which sooner or later will claim political rights etc (alb mosques,universities,schools,flags...) A few decades ago,a small albanian minority of 15-20.000 people,the chams,formed an alliance with our enemies- the nazis-and spread death and catastrophy in Thesprotia,killing at least a thousand greeks...i wonder what a whole million of alboz in Greece is able to do in case something serious happens,such as a war with Turkey.we do know about several greek flags that were burned by alb "emmigrante" and U.C.C threats in peace period...what if... Anyway,this is the balkan peninsula,it's not western europe or north america.There is a totally different situation here,something that people of the diaspora might not realise well...Several wars happened a few years ago and borders do change here...almost all of our neighbors claim north greece and we should be extremely cautious...the E.U does offer some safety to some extend but we should not behave so carelessly as a country... PS:there are already roomers concerning the formation of an alb political party here in Greece...once again these people prove to behave more like a minority -or even settlers- and not like immigrants... artofvictory.com/Copley-Balkans.htm
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Post by epiroti on Feb 8, 2008 16:28:04 GMT -5
haha! Yes, and nobody noticed, nobody documented this mass-move!! It was a covert operation. We also exterminated the inhabitants of the region we took over (again, no traces at all of those massacres).
How impressive is that?
One more thing. We even created our own language - ha, amaizing. And even convinced a big amount of linguists and historians that we are the descendands of the ancient illyrians!!
Now to leandrus, we will take over greece. Because just like I said above, we are good at ethnic cleansing and imperialism. Like your hero, Zevras, or the deporting of chams to turkey before that - we have done pleanty of such massacres, they just went unnoticed.
It is all part of a master-plan. We'll take over greece, and give its eastern part to our masters, the turks. So you keep doing those push-ups, and keep playing Rome TW so you're ready when we come for you.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 9, 2008 1:01:49 GMT -5
- no traces of illirian lang exist. Stop torturing your minds. - It was ZERVAS and not zevras
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 9, 2008 2:44:15 GMT -5
Albania hates us
We hate Albania
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Post by slowdent on Feb 9, 2008 3:33:41 GMT -5
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Post by donnie on Feb 9, 2008 6:16:47 GMT -5
Donnie...that was a pathetic move.... not expecting that from you... Now back to the subject...if someone lived 300 years ago in the area now called Albania and his name was Adruco or Dhiako... we can with great certainty claim they were Greek.... The same goes with people living in Greece back then and had names like Rexhepi Betim or Dritan... we can safely assume they were Albs.... Epiroti..... What exactly was "pathetic" with my "move"? Furthermore, Andruco and Dhiako did not live in Albania some two hundred (not three hundred) years ago. They lived in Greece; that's what one means by "Arvanites"; Albanophone residents in Greece who descend from Albanian immigrants who settled Greece during the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries. Their alleged Greek names is the result of the influence the Greek/Byzantine Orthodox Church has had on them. Just as Albanians who became Muslim took Arab/Turkish names, those who were Orthodox took Greek-Orthodox names, like Dhimitër, Thanas, Stefanaq etc; originally Greek names. This does not change who they were, however. Furthermore, what exactly is specifically 'Greek' about Andruco? It seems to me like a version of the name 'Andreas', which perhaps comes from the Greek word andros ('man'). But the name exists everywhere; Andrew in the Anglo-Saxon world, Andrea in Italy, Andreas in Sweden and so forth. The suffix - uc also suggests that Andruco is the Albanian form; denoting something small, as in 'little Andrew'. Not to mention the fact that Andruco's father, Verushi, was clearly refered to as an Albanian in contemporary documents. Wanna see? Just tell. P:s Rexhep isn't an Albanian name; it's an Arab-Muslim one (a version of Rajab). You just helped prooving my point further, that names aren't necessarely reflective of one's ethnicity.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 9, 2008 6:34:46 GMT -5
hahaha, dijedon, ja fute bukur!!! hahaha, dijedon, ja fute bukur!!! Ja futi vetes!? What's with the Alb language on here in the Greek forum Greek or English here. Don't be so disrespectful.
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Post by whatever on Feb 9, 2008 8:05:34 GMT -5
Andrutso and diaco are last names, Greek last names. First names like George or Andrew may be Greek in origin but they are internationaly generic today and no one is changing their last name into andrutsos, diacos, papadopoulos.
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Post by albquietman on Feb 9, 2008 11:10:55 GMT -5
Names mean nothing sometimes when it comes to someone's national origin, and especially in greek, where as is explained here by Donnie and the others, most of these greek last names and names are of religous origin. On the other hand greek language has the ability to make almost every name to sound like greek, just because greek language is not as flexible as albanian to pronounce names in their origin form. I was amazed when I was in Greece to find out that my last name sounded like it was greek last name, and even had a meaning in greek (a coincidence of course), but I can assure you that my last name is 100% albanian, because I know the origin of it. So judging by names and last names to make someone greek or albanian or whatever doesn't give you accurate results, unless these names are common words in these languages.
On the other hand, if we get out of the religious framed names, there are a lot of last names in Greece that are derived from common words in albanian, like Krieziu (Kryeziu-Balckhead), Liapis(Labi), Bubulina(Bubullime-Thunder), Tsiunis(Cuni-Boy)...that's what I can remember for the moment, but there are more there which I noticed when I was in Greece. So claiming that these names are of greek origin, it's naive, because they are not, but accepting them by the greek side that they are albanian doesn't mean that these people are albanians, they are not anymore, but it just shows us that their ancestors were albanians and I don't get it why some of the greeks here can't live with it...
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 10, 2008 2:14:26 GMT -5
ÐÜãêáëïò , Ãêßêáò , ÃêëéÜôçò , Óêïýñôçò , Ãêßíçò , êôë...
Ïé Áëâáíïß âëÝðïõí ôïõò Áñâáíßôåò óáí áäÝñöéá ôïõò, ü÷é üìùò ïé Áñâáíßôåò ôïõò Áëâáíïýò êáôáëáâåò albquietman
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Post by captainalbania on Feb 12, 2008 0:31:20 GMT -5
All i can say is that multi-ethnic countries do not work and usually fall apart. Albanians moving to Greece and not assimilating does everyone harm.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 12, 2008 1:23:45 GMT -5
Albanians moving to Greece and not assimilating does everyone harm. Shall Albania enter the E.U then she'll have to open borders to her neighbours and to the world like a wh'ore, more then ever. The price of being a E.U member. Before you know it Albania would be unrecognisable. Having lost her character and way of life.
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Post by captainalbania on Feb 12, 2008 21:57:29 GMT -5
And thats the problem Mr. Ajax.
Entering the EU means you give up your border sovereignity to the EU masters. This means letting in undesirables like Africans, middle-easterners and other non-whites. Thus destroying the genetic and cultural heritage of Albania.
A country in which the majority ethnic group loses control to other groups is doomed to civil war.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 12, 2008 22:01:50 GMT -5
Cultural heritage and an empty belly.... hell I'll give that up in an instant even if my neighbor is black... as long as he is a good person... Albania will either stay out of Europe or join the club.... and stop providing cheap labor to Italy and Greece.
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Post by captainalbania on Feb 13, 2008 20:54:22 GMT -5
Its not about being good or bad people. Its about protecting your majority so your country doesn't get torn apart. Greece did fine on its own before joining EU and had control of it's borders. Now Athens is filled with Philippinos and Africans.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 13, 2008 21:22:52 GMT -5
Well all I can do is offer you my sincerest apologies for giving some friendly neighbours advice, no need to go on a rampage !
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