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Post by albquietman on Jan 9, 2008 0:33:08 GMT -5
I don't think we will be on the same page, and if we bring you proof...we've tried that before, and still, see where we are, back on square one again...you know the meaning of the word balkanization...well we are balkanians . You're smart enough Ajax to sort out the real stuff...so don't get "excited" when you see albanian kids claiming that the Earth is called Albania...
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Post by albanesehoney on Jan 9, 2008 0:36:34 GMT -5
Arxhileas, you need to stick to the subject of Albqt's message. He, as well as all of us, are still waiting for you to tell us what the biggest city names in Greece or even your Ancient God's names and even your nation's name means. You need to relax and stop with ...You guys do this..you guys know nothing...blah blah...and blah...grow up and just give us meanings, in your modern greek language, of your greek city names. and your nation's too.
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 9, 2008 0:40:54 GMT -5
I don't think we will be on the same page, and if we bring you proof...we've tried that before, and still, see where we are, back on square one again...you know the meaning of the word balkanization...well we are balkanians. There is just no proof. Am telling the truth, no Illyrian language in existence so how can we compare with any other nations language even for Albanian language for that matter ? Like courts we need evidence without that evidence there is no case that my point "can you grasp this" ? Where as the Greeks, Egyptians and Chinese Do have this thing called evidence.
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 9, 2008 0:45:21 GMT -5
You're smart enough Ajax to sort out the real stuff...so don't get "excited" when you see albanian kids claiming that the Earth is called Albania... Thanks for your feed back, now no one is getting excited now. The point albquietman is this, how annoyed would you be when your culture is constantly being trashed at ? especially when some people do come on like Missia ? claiming all sorts of things "how are we to know what sort of person she / he is ? " But the sad part is this albania .com do claim the world.
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Post by albquietman on Jan 9, 2008 0:47:11 GMT -5
The existence of our language until today it's not evidence?
I know what you'll say, because its not the first time we're talking about it, but a language can be invented in a couple of hundreds years, and there is no record in history that we moved from some place else. Historians accept the connection Illyrian-albanian, and that's enough for evidence, but you didn't explain to me yet what Athens means in greek...
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 9, 2008 0:50:26 GMT -5
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Post by albquietman on Jan 9, 2008 0:51:53 GMT -5
We can go forever on this, but as I said before you guys need to learn how to sort out stuff and people too. I don't read albanian.com, but I'm sure that there are greek websites that do the same thing on the greek side...internet made some people "tough" enough to claim the world... Aadmin is a fan of everything that's greek...I guess that explains everything on his post. I've got to go...it's 1am here...hope you have a nice day .
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 9, 2008 0:56:31 GMT -5
Still solves nothing so therefore Montenegro's are closest racially to Illyrians according to most historians...And not the Albanians. History belongs to those who create it not who currently occupy some lands that were inhibited by others once. AAdmin is a fan of truth, night night don't let the bugs bite.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 9, 2008 1:03:05 GMT -5
from the albanian communist times is create the albanian idea of claiming direct descent from the ancient illyrians but this claims are dispute.
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Post by albanesehoney on Jan 9, 2008 1:05:05 GMT -5
There is just no proof. Am telling the truth, no Illyrian language in existence so how can we compare with any other nations language even for Albanian language for that matter ? I don't know, Bosnians/Serbs/Croats claim genetic connection to Illyrians and their language is Slav/Russian. Everyone in the Balkans is making all kinds of claims to the ancient societies but TO DATE, Albanian has been the consistent key to unlocking the messages inscribed on those 7000 yr old stelaes found in the islands/Balkans/Turkey/So. Italy and in Toscana funerary finds. And, Albanian is the key to unlocking the meanings of so many of Greek city place names, too. Our language at least has some connection to the oldest record of the Etruscan-Messapian language found in Euboia Isle and Calabria. Messapian is the closest so far on record to the Illyrian language, hence the Albanian connection to the Illyrians because Messapian so far has been translated via the Albanian words with a majority of words found on inscriptions and texts. As for Linear B, Albanian was clearly used to translate the funerary stelae and it still holds water with the Albanian language, there has still been no scholarly refutation of the Albanian translation by Ms. Nermin.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jan 9, 2008 1:05:37 GMT -5
How true! !!! By the way, I would be much obliged if you gave us some info re: Albanians occupying Illyrian Land, inhibited by others (Illyrians) once!!!
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 9, 2008 1:06:08 GMT -5
That's right Karta.
On the Albanian Claim that they have Illyrian names today
ISBN 960-210-279-9 Miranda Vickers, The Albanians Chapter 9. "Albania Isolates itself" page 256 In page 271 it is stated
From time to time the state gave out lists with pagan ,supposed Illyrian or newly constructed names that would be proper for the new generation of revolutionaries.(see also Also Logoreci "the Albanians" page 157.
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 9, 2008 1:07:02 GMT -5
Yawn ! late here too night night ladies.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 9, 2008 1:26:20 GMT -5
stin ygjia mas Ajax
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Post by jerryspringer on Jan 9, 2008 1:38:20 GMT -5
Ajax, are you Iapetus?
Canaris said:
I thought the form of some of those Greek words did not exist in the Greek language, but okay, whatever. I guess you could try to explain the Romanian and Albanian words that the two languages share in common. Romanians and Albanians had no contact after 1200, but I'm not sure if those Vlachs could've given some of those words to them. The scholars agree that those words are Romanian, i.e. Daco-Romanian, not Romanian south of Danube.
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 9, 2008 5:38:34 GMT -5
How true! !!! Thank you. Must I do all the work It's every where and freely available. Asketh and you shall receveth.
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Post by slowdent on Jan 9, 2008 6:31:16 GMT -5
Personally I am still waiting to see proof that you do not come from south America. Albania Caqueta Colombia seems to be your motherland as we previously said: the migration from south america and the passage through italy can explain that too.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2008 7:17:05 GMT -5
The majority of the toponyms in the Balkans are of Greek and Roman origin with the exception of some settlements with very ancient names, for example, Singidunum, the Scordian name for Belgrade, but this is completely understandable given the long duration of established Greek and Roman themes or provinces in the Balkans. Since it is the relationship between Albanian and Slavonic toponymy which interests us, however, we shall devote the following pages to this. Let us repeat, citing yet one more source, the fact about Illyrian illiteracy: "Since the IIlyrians and Dardan did not develop literacy in their language the only written memorials of theirs which remain to us are Greek and Roman inscriptions on stone..." 21 This will make it easier for us to understand the above-cited detail that the predominant toponomy was Graeco-Roman. With the penetration of the Slav tribes, however, in the main starting from the fifth century AD, Slav toponyms spread more and more, reaching also to the south of the Balkans. By the ninth century, a great part of present day Albania was already covered with Slav, mostly Serbian, toponyms. We will show the extent and duration of this phenomenon according to the results of our investigations which demanded much patience but which enabled us to gather an imposing number of several hundred Slav toponyms in Albania from maps (scale 1:100,000 & 1:200,000) of the 1920s and 1930s. We rejected all those toponyms which underwent linguistic change, that is, Albanization, whereby the Slav form was altered in its outward expression. In order to avoid any confusion we have retained only those names whose form still shows today their origin and there are over three hundred of these "pure" toponyms which we shall now list. Baba Babin Babinja Babja Balaban Banja Bastare Bastrice Bezani + Belgrad Belice Belje Belove Belovode Berzeste Bistric Biserka Bistrica Bistrice Blace Bobostice Bodin Bodriste Bordani Borici Borje Borova + Borovjani Bradosnica Bratomira Breska Bresnik Brezdan Brostani Budisa Bukmira Buzgara Valjana Valjusa Varvara Veles Veljcan Gora Vernica + Vila Vodica Vojnika Vrakule Vranista Vranista Vrepska Vulcani Gabrica Gajtani Glava Gline Golem Golemi + Golik Goloberdo Goljovisti Gorica Goroselj Gostiviste + Grabom Grabova Grabove Grabovice Grabovo + Gradac Gradec Gradiste Gradiskije Grazdani Grazdenik Graliste Gracen Gracani Grace Grozdani Gruda Darda Debrova Desmira Dobra Dobric Dobruna + Dragan Dragavoja Draginje Dragobija Dragostun Dragove Dragus Draci Dracove Drasovice Drenove Drovjani Drugana Dusmani + Dvoran Oeriste Zepa Zupiste Zagora Zagorican Zagradec Zagradi Zagradcani Zapat Zaradiste Zavaljan Zvezda Izviri Izgara Izgoralec Jablanit Janjan Jezerces Jerka Jubica Kamare Kamenica + Kamicani Kamnik + Kapica Karista Kasarna Kilaziste Klena Klenja Klisari Kovaci Kovaciste + Kovacica Korite Kosan Kosina Kosmaci Kosovec Kosovo Kosteni Kostenja Kostican Kotor Kosarista + Kosovica Krajni Krasta Krstac Kula Lepusa Leskova Leskoviku Leskovinu Lesnica Lestice Livadasi Livadi Likova Lisan Lovina Lozani Logavista Lopusa Lubinja Ljesani Ljivadi Ljubonje + Mali Mucalj Maliseva Malibarde Malina Manastirec Memlista Mecka Milica Miljusi Mirovna Mocani Moglice Mogra Monastir Negovani Nepravista + Niksi + Nikolara Nikolica Nikoijica Nivice Novasela Novoselo Oblika Osojna Padina Pastani Pepeli Pestani Plana + Plovista Podgora Podgorani Podgori Podgoria Podgradec Pogradec Pojata + Polidani Poposina Porobani Potkozani Prekal Prekali Prenista Prodani Radan Radicina Radimiste Radimniste Rajce + Rahovice Rastan Rec Redi Recit Rodokalj Rovica Sama Sanista Sebista Selca Selec Seleka Selence Selenica + Sepetova Slabinje Slatina + Slova Sopot Sovjani St. Javore Stani Staravec Stare Starov Starova + Stebilova Stranik Strelca Suha Suhodoli Sv. Dimitrije Ternova Topljana Torovica Trasani Trebinje Treske Tresova Trosan Tuceni Ulova Uljmiste Ustinje Cerkovica Cernjeva Catiste Cesme Coban + Siroka Sistevac Skola Stit Sticeni Sumica (the + sign alongside the name of a place indicates that the same name appears on the maps two or more times for different places). We have already pointed out to our readers the fact that a not inconsiderable part of the fabric of the Albanian people is woven from the Slav people so that such a large number of Slav toponyms should come as no surprise. However, this is not a complete list of Slav, that is, Serbian toponyms. I have already said that only those forms which today point to a Serbian origin are given so that I draw the reader's attention to a precise map marked with Serbian toponyms on Albanian soil composed by the Bulgarian academic, A. Selisgev, for his book Slavyanskoe naselenie v Albanii, Sofia, 1931 and which was republished in the anthology Iliri i Albanci by the Serbian Academy of Arts & Sciences (SANU), Belgrade. 1988, p. 230. The knowledge that for decades the Albanian authorities have claimed there is no Serbian national minority in Albania, however, will probably remain an open wound for Serbs and probably the chasm born of these marked contradictions will continue to stimulate hurtful and painful memories of an altered and lost part of the Serbian people. With regard to Kosovo and Metohia, on the other hand, for which we have given detailed demographic and statistical data, the situation is different to an unbelievable degree. Namely, in that area there is not one single toponym whose origin could be found in the Albanian language. All of the toponyms in that area which in historical literature was designated as Old Serbia are either Serbian or Slavicised Roman names and the Shiptars who live there today call some villages either by names translated into Albanian or use some Turkish names arising from the time when these regions were under Turkish rule. This unique and indisputable fact that there are no Albanian toponyms in Kosovo and Metohia evidently does not fit in with the numerous demands, statements and wishes of the secessionist parties and chauvinistic Shiptars and Albanians because they have always constantly avoided this theme. www.kosovo.net/history/kosovo_origins/ko_chapter13.html"I thought the form of some of those Greek words did not exist in the Greek language, but okay, whatever. I guess you could try to explain the Romanian and Albanian words that the two languages share in common. Romanians and Albanians had no contact after 1200, but I'm not sure if those Vlachs could've given some of those words to them. The scholars agree that those words are Romanian, i.e. Daco-Romanian, not Romanian south of Danube." Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - On the territory of today’s Albania, as has already been confirmed by the most distinguished world scholars, from whom I have already mentioned some, first settled the Slavs. In 548 A.D. they enter also in Durrachium (Drach, Durrls). The Albanians come via Transylvania (Romania) and Bulgaria much later, IX-X century. In the meantime, understandably, the Slavs have already named all mountains, valleys, rivers, towns and villages, and built some new ones, giving them their own names. When the Albanians arrive on the Balkan and today’s Albania, there is nothing else they can do except to take those toponyms. A large part of Albania is flooded with serbian and macedonian toponyms. Just as an example I wish to mention the towns of Pogradec, Korça (Korcha), Çorovoda (Chorovoda), Berat, Bozigrad, Leskovik, Voskopoja, Kuzova, Kelcira, Bels and others. VD: - In the macedonian community little is known that more than 90 percent of the lexical fund of the albanian language are words taken up from other languages. You especially have analysed the subject of the “slavisms” in the albanian language. It would be interesting some more to be said about this? www.unitedmacedonians.org/macedonia/kaplan_english.html
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 9, 2008 13:55:22 GMT -5
The theory Resuli proposed, Hammond negated it by saying that peole dont move into territory that is being invaded. The invasion of the Balkans came from the east to west(Croatia to Bulgaria).
Anyway, Burovich, which we have already mentioned is from the Macedonian minority, is not a historian. Stop quoting him.
Oh yea, what a great study this article is.
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 9, 2008 23:31:37 GMT -5
I just love the way they dodged this topics last post hi hi hi
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