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Post by leandros nikon on Dec 24, 2007 20:35:32 GMT -5
Melt,the issue here is not about onomastics but far more essential...we do not reason whether they were called hellenes,greeks or romans...we simply care to prove their relation to modern greeks...it was you several months before that had accepted the fact about the greekness of Constantinople.In general,after the latin phase of our empire,it became a greek orthodox,greek speaking,hellenistic empire.A very large part of today's greek population hold their origin in Byzantium's most important provinces such as Asia minor,Cappadokia,etc after all...
let me also tell you that each time turks want to insult us,remind us of 1453...and they do have a good reason for this...
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Post by leandros nikon on Dec 24, 2007 20:37:50 GMT -5
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Post by leandros nikon on Dec 24, 2007 20:39:54 GMT -5
honey,sweetheart,sweetie pie...why do u always have to argue?
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 24, 2007 20:49:36 GMT -5
Melty...let us worry what 'Greek' meant .... your interpretation is too obtuse.... and biased..... . How can an interpretation be 'obtuse' and 'biased' at the same time..lolol dictionary.reference.com/browse/obtuseobtuse 1509, from M.Fr. obtus (fem. obtuse), from L. obtusus "blunted, dull," pp. of obtundere "to beat against, make dull," from ob "against" + tundere "to beat," from PIE *(s)tud- "to beat, strike, push, thrust" (cf. L. tudes "hammer," Skt. tudati "he thrusts"). Sense of "stupid" is first found 1509. The verb obtund (trans.) "to render dead, make dull" has occasionally been used, esp. in medical jargon, since c.1400. bi·as (bî'əs) Pronunciation Key n. A line going diagonally across the grain of fabric: Cut the cloth on the bias. A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment. An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice. If Toshk's interpretation is biased, it would mean he is clear in his preferenential judgment, even if he was trying to hinder other interpretations. To be obtuse, is to be dull, clouded in judgment, which is clearly the opposing suppositions in your statement. Very easily..... you have to be an Albanian making comments about Greeks.... then you can be both.... Do I have to explain to you everything..... geez..... you're so dense...? I am sure you have heard the term 'stupid idiot' more than few times in your life ... why do people use both words?
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 24, 2007 20:50:10 GMT -5
Don't be mad at me, or Albanians because we can read and comprehend English better than you do. Just remember not to make such foolish generalizations about Macedonians in your silly nationalistic comments. ANd, re read your chosen links and quotes to make sure the contents do not contradict your nationalistic generalizations about Macedonia. Not Mad at you Honey, you have no idea how blessed I am to be a Greek, especially a Greek Native Macedonian Some people think you're stalking me The way you pounce on me with 100's of copy and pasting. Psssst do it to others so it doesn't look obvious.
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 24, 2007 20:52:03 GMT -5
She pastes me too.... ;D
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 25, 2007 2:02:35 GMT -5
honey,sweetheart,sweetie pie...why do u always have to argue? Because I'm just a typical balkan debater, just like my blood ancestors, Aristotle and Socrates, taught me ;D..
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 25, 2007 2:09:16 GMT -5
Not Mad at you Honey, you have no idea how blessed I am to be a Greek, especially a Greek Native Macedonian Some people think you're stalking me The way you pounce on me with 100's of copy and pasting. :-*Pssst.. do it to others so it doesn't look obvious. Meh....Blessed people have no need to insult Macedonians or a need to prove Macedonians never existed during the Crusades or worse, prove the opposite of your own premise in your own linked quotes. ;D
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 25, 2007 2:19:41 GMT -5
honey,sweetheart,sweetie pie...why do u always have to argue? Because I'm just a typical balkan debater, just like my blood ancestors, Aristotle and Socrates, taught me ;D.. How come you didn't tell us you're Greek? ;D
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Post by leandros nikon on Dec 25, 2007 8:57:00 GMT -5
SOCRATES AN ALBANIAN?Gee,i thought he was african...black Athena?
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 25, 2007 12:59:01 GMT -5
SOCRATES AN ALBANIAN?Gee,i thought he was african...black Athena? I don't know about Socrates or Aristotle but this one thinks Aesop was... Aesop's fables www.magicvalley.com/articles/2007/12/23/features/family_life/127284.txtThe story of the moralBy Marylou Tousignant The Washington Post WASHINGTON - Aesop was a writer, possibly of African origin, who lived more than 2,500 years ago in Ancient Greece. But although he's long gone, his famous fables - or those credited to him, if not actually his - live on today. Don't know any, you say? Sure you do. Misery loves company is the ending of one story that you might have heard. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched is another. Aesop's fables, many of which have animals acting like humans, all have a moral. That means they teach us a lesson, often about right and wrong. But if you think that a bunch of dusty old fables have nothing to teach you, you'll think twice after reading "The Fabled Fourth Graders of Aesop Elementary School" by Candace Fleming (for ages 7 to 11). The 19 fourth-graders at this school are an odd lot, to be sure, but they're funny and lovable. Calvin Tallywong, for instance, wants to go back to kindergarten - until it actually happens. (Moral: Be careful what you wish for!) Stuck-up Victoria Sovaine tells a lie to get a fancy new pair of mittens and winds up losing the pair she already had. (Moral: Honesty is the best policy!) Leading this wild class is the new teacher, Mr. Harry Valentine Jupiter, who studied at the Coochie-Coochie Institute for Misbehaved Monkeys. Maybe because of that, he's pretty smart when it comes to outfoxing fourth-graders, but he's rather dumb in matters of the heart. Will he ever realize that Miss Paige Turner, the school librarian, has a major crush on him?
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Post by Teuta1975 on Dec 25, 2007 22:49:21 GMT -5
Some people think that by being Greek, makes them any better.... A good person is a good one no matter where she/he is from...and vice-versa. Especially being a Greek immigrant in Australia and an Albanian immigrant in USA...
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 26, 2007 0:40:08 GMT -5
Teuta ...you're such a sweet person.... don't take any negative things I say in stride..... I am not like this in person. We need more people like you here....
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Post by Teuta1975 on Dec 26, 2007 2:02:40 GMT -5
Canaris, you're a very sweet person too; I know it. Don't ask me how do I know...
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 26, 2007 23:00:58 GMT -5
[ Some people think that by being Greek, makes them any better.... A good person is a good one no matter where she/he is from...and vice-versa. Especially being a Greek immigrant in Australia and an Albanian immigrant in USA... Teuta ..Arxhileas and Leo always ...always try to make themselves and Greeks look good at the expense of Albanians Turks and Arabs...but they have yet to admit that their blood descends from Turks and Arabs and if it wasn't for Albanians, they'd be speaking Turkish now... Opps...I think half their language is Turkish. ;D
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Post by Teuta1975 on Dec 26, 2007 23:41:24 GMT -5
I think you're right....
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 26, 2007 23:54:30 GMT -5
Yep..if it wasn't for those Turkoalbs that climbed the walls of Psara and later Chios...... to slaughter innocent women and kids.... shame..AH.. those were your kind of Turkoalbs....
Leave Teuta out of this...
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 27, 2007 0:31:21 GMT -5
Yep..if it wasn't for those Turkoalbs that climbed the walls of Psara and later Chios...... to slaughter innocent women and kids.... shame..AH.. those were your kind of Turkoalbs.... Leave Teuta out of this... How can Teuta stay out of it, when you insult her ethnicity? BTw, from your greek sites: www.ahistoryofgreece.com/revolution.htm It would be unfair to over-look Ali Pasha and the fact that [glow=red,2,300]the insurrection of 1821 was actually something of an Albanian affair [/glow]and that the Chios massacre was a consequence of this. The Chiotes had enormous privileges under the Ottomans even to the point of dominating the Ottoman admiralty.It was the role of the Chios 'navy' in the revolt that was seen as an act of treason by the Turks. On March 13th 1821, twelve days before the official beginning of the War of Independence, the first revolutionary flag was actually raised on the island of Spetses by Laskarina Bouboulina. Twice widowed with 7 children but extremely rich she owned several ships. On April 3rd Spetses revolted, followed by the islands of Hydra and Psara with a total of over 300 ships between them. Bouboulina and her fleet of 8 ships sailed to Nafplion and took part in the seige of the impregnable fortress there. Her later attack on Monemvasia managed to capture that fortress. She took part in the blockade of Pylos and brought supplies to the revolutionairies by sea. Bouboulina became a national hero, one of the first women to play a major role in a revolution. Without her and her ships the Greeks might not have gained their independence. [glow=red,2,300]What is less well known is that she was Albanian[/glow].
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 27, 2007 0:41:43 GMT -5
IT is a well know fact among Greeks that Turkoalbanians participated wholeheartedly in raids in the Aegean.... they had no business there..no matter who started what.... WTF were they doing there in the first place?
Years later in WW2 the Chams tried the same thing... siding with the Nazis... against the Greeks... unfortunately for us... there was someone called Napoleon Zervas.... and nipped the problem in the bud .
We are aware the first chance Albanians get they would try the same thing again....
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 27, 2007 1:23:04 GMT -5
IT is a well know fact among Greeks that Turkoalbanians participated wholeheartedly in raids in the Aegean.... they had no business there..no matter who started what.... WTF were they doing there in the first place? I don't know, those appeared to be Chiote navy and Greek pirates. Albanians like Botsaris and his Suliotes, were fighting on the mainland.. www.rc.umd.edu/reference/chronologies/byronchronology/1823.htmlJanuary 16 Byron takes custody of a Turk taken prisoner by Greek pirates January 26 Byron meets with officers of the English ships who demand satisfaction for a ship recently taken by the Greeks. While waiting for Mavrocordatos's reply, he jokes with the officers about the impending expedition against Lepanto, and the group shoots at bottles with their pistols.
When Mavrocordatos refuses to pay, Byron settles the debt himself to the dismay of Colonel Stanhope.Yep, Greeks show themselves to be pathetically without any honor in their dealings with allies.. later in WW2 the Chams tried the same thing... siding with the Nazis... against the Greeks... unfortunately for us... there was someone called Napoleon Zervas.... and nipped the problem in the bud . We are aware the first chance Albanians get they would try the same thing again.... No Western-American, German, Turkish, French, British- nation believes the Greek Govt propaganda of trying to abscond with their and Metaxa's govt participation in the final solution of their Jewish citizens and this fascist killer Zervas's murderous ways after the war. Even Israel has listed Greek Jews at 86% of their population to have lost their lives from Greek collusion. It's pathetic of you to claim these lies again. It's probably why Kissinger and Nixon allowed the Turks their part in Cyprus. It all came full circle for Greece. Now, go ahead and delete this too..like the post of Kissinger's phone call with Colby over the Cyprus issue. Silly amateurs.
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