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Post by greekslav on Dec 16, 2007 11:25:37 GMT -5
The banner posted in the original post looks a like similar to the one below. Exhibits the same nationalistic expansion desires, yet you all get upset at this one. What is the difference. Sends the same message:
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Post by slowdent on Dec 16, 2007 12:42:13 GMT -5
greek slav
what does this have to do with you?
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Post by greekslav on Dec 16, 2007 15:16:21 GMT -5
Both expansionists messages in the Megali idea and the Macedonian banner above has nothing to do with me. Nothing at all. I do point out that when one people support their nationalistic expansionist ideas and spit on another just makes no sense.
Any expansionist idea from long ago that is given life today accomplishes nothing.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 16, 2007 20:36:16 GMT -5
"The banner posted in the original post looks a like similar to the one below. Exhibits the same nationalistic expansion desires, yet you all get upset at this one. What is the difference. Sends the same message"
Whats the topic about?.....anyway, l'm going off topic by answering but vardar slavs are not macedonians and your claim to Greek Macedonia is imbrassing and laughable at the same time!.
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Post by greekslav on Dec 17, 2007 13:22:34 GMT -5
Claim to Greek Macedonia? Paranoia, my friend. That is all it is, and a silly reason to cause trouble with a people that want a home to call what they want, without the whining. Have some cheese with the whine, will you?
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Post by BigBlackBeast on Dec 18, 2007 6:18:30 GMT -5
The banner posted in the original post looks a like similar to the one below. Exhibits the same nationalistic expansion desires, yet you all get upset at this one. What is the difference. Sends the same message: Actually GS there is a very significant difference between the map/banner posted in the original post and the one above which you imagine is the same sort of thing. The map with Venizelos on the corner was a reality that has come to pass. It represented Greece of the "two continents and five seas". It was issued as a souvenir (probably in 1920 or 1921), no doubt as a means to further promote Venizelos and his achievements, and in this regard is propaganda ... but it was very much the case that at that point in history the Greek state controlled those areas shaded on the map. The Greek state would of-course go on to control even more of the Anatolian hinterland, getting very close to Ankara but foolishly overextending itself in the process before meeting disaster the following year (1922). The Slavic banner, on the other hand, includes a map that represents nothing but the dream frontiers of "Macedonia" as imagined by the Slav-Macedonians, and nothing more. It does not describe any state that has ever existed within those boundaries. In fact it represents an early version of this 'Macedonian' dream country. I am forever amused that this original version of "Mother Macedonia" omits the region of Pieria - the triangular section of land in blue/purple next to the sea. This was of-course the original home of the ancient Macedonians before they expanded to eventually take most of the known world. This is the original 'MAKEDONIS'. It was here that the Macedonians lived 'in the shadow of Olympus' to borrow Borza's phrase. In this little piece of earth is where their oldest foundations existed, including their religious capital 'Dion' (the city of Zeus) and later Aigai (Vergina; their first political capital). The area has remained Greek-speaking since antiquity and was Greek-speaking before the Balkan Wars. Probably because it was unquestionably Greek, and in the absence at that time of specific knowledge about the central importance of this area to ancient Macedonia, many Slav ethnographers ironically did not even count it in Macedonia! The very influential early 20th century Bulgarian ethnographer Vasil K'nchev for instance, did not include the Greeks of this area in statistics concerning the population of 'Macedonia'. The map you present here is quite representative of the traditional depiction of the 'Macedonian' state the Slavs hoped would one day materialize. Aware now of the significance of this little piece of land, the current blockhead version of this map now invariably includes Pieria!
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Post by greekslav on Dec 18, 2007 11:29:32 GMT -5
I understand your point clearly. But over recent years, this Megala idea (and souvenir map) has been reborn in many fanatical Greeks. It is expansionist at its best, and not much different than the one used by fanatical Macedonians. It's the same message and same idea.
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Post by greekslav on Dec 18, 2007 11:31:51 GMT -5
Blockhead? I resemble that remark. For those that do not know, this term "Blockhead" is a derogatory term used toward the Macedonian Slavs. Nice! BBB, you are no intellect.
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Post by myzeqari on Dec 18, 2007 11:48:36 GMT -5
I resemble that remark. I bet you do!
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Post by greekslav on Dec 18, 2007 12:22:01 GMT -5
Flattery will get you somewhere, one day!
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Post by myzeqari on Dec 18, 2007 12:24:59 GMT -5
I am 'somewhere'. Those were your words (above), not mine.
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 18, 2007 13:06:42 GMT -5
Blockhead? I resemble that remark. For those that do not know, this term "Blockhead" is a derogatory term used toward the Macedonian Slavs. Nice! BBB, you are no intellect. You mean 'resent' that remark.... no?
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Post by greekslav on Dec 18, 2007 14:45:34 GMT -5
No, I meant "resemble" as a joke. It's a joke within my field of work when someone playfully bashes another. I did not expect anyone here to understand. It's okay.
For someone like BBB, who protrays himself as an intellectual (that he may be), slips in a derogatory reference to Macedonian Slavs, like no one would notice. Some of us, like me, really read what's in front of us, and understands.
So I joked about it. Actually, I look more like "athigganos" than a "blockhead". ;D
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Post by leandros nikon on Dec 18, 2007 14:48:50 GMT -5
Amen my brother,Amen...
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Post by BigBlackBeast on Dec 19, 2007 7:31:12 GMT -5
Blockhead? I resemble that remark. For those that do not know, this term "Blockhead" is a derogatory term used toward the Macedonian Slavs. Nice! BBB, you are no intellect. Ouch! That hurts (.... not!). Geez, just one little 'blockhead' reference and I'm no longer an 'intellect'!! LOL Listen GS. My aim has never been to consciously portray myself as an 'intellectual' ... although this is often an observation made about me by others along with their commentary concerning my devastating good looks ... I was not trying to 'slip' the term in as part of some sly design to make it stick - as you seem to imply. My use of the term simply reflected the level of my annoyance at the time. The fact of the matter is that Slav-Macedonians who fly such banners are blockheads - pure and simple. They are entirely clueless on top of being ultra-nationalists. You could rightly label Greeks who make use of the old 'Greece of the five seas and two continents' banner as fanatics, nationalists, zealots and fascists if you will ... but they are not blockheads in the same clueless way.
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Post by Kassandros on Dec 20, 2007 19:16:58 GMT -5
I am not in favor of Megali Idea.
But on the other hand... I am from Macedonia and I still leave where my ancestors used to leave. I didnt have to face the reality of loosing my home. Since many Greeks come from those places...... sounds normal to feel they lost their homes. Maybe for them Megali Idea is a liberation of their birth places.... so I'll not say more. I might get misunderstood..since I'm not into their shoes.
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Post by rex362 on Dec 20, 2007 19:28:32 GMT -5
"so I'll not say more. I might get misunderstood..since I'm not into their shoes."
I understand you exactly .....
I have always said that the Nekriasotides have always been more vehemently ultra nationalistic bcs of their past plights
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Post by Kassandros on Dec 20, 2007 19:47:13 GMT -5
If I had lost my 200 old home during the Macedonian Struggle... I might have been ultra nationalist too. You never know until you feel it.
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 20, 2007 19:51:39 GMT -5
I don't understand GreekSlav... why would you get offended at a remark like Blockhead? I thought you said your dad was Greek?
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Post by greekslav on Dec 21, 2007 13:40:08 GMT -5
Canaris, I never said that the term "blockhead" offended me. I said it was a derogatory term used in reference to Macedonians.
And I joked about it, too:
So I joked about it. Actually, I look more like "athigganos" than a "blockhead".
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