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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 4, 2007 17:13:30 GMT -5
Assimilation is a beautiful thing. I dont care about the Albs of Greece. Those who dont want to Hellenize will return to Albania with time; those who like Greece, will stay and become Greeks.
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Mimi
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Kosovo IS Albania!
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Post by Mimi on Dec 4, 2007 20:05:43 GMT -5
so true meltdown...the vorioepirotes have come here...north epirus was very poor,it's logical... so you think it's beautiful,eh?i believe that it's even more beautiful when little albanian kids talk to their parents in greek...and many of them are greek orthodox...you cant imagine how much i like this...think only that only 17 years have passed since 1990... ;D after 50 years,what? that does NOT mean anything, i mean i speak swedish to my family to(at times i speak Swedish and at times i speak Albanian) and with friends (albos)but i am very much Albanian even though i grew up in sweden, i feel more albanian than swedish and i show if off as much as i can, sometimes people get interested and ask questions, and after the talk some actually say i think its time to visit Albania i heard its getting better for the tourist ;D
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Post by Niklianos on Dec 4, 2007 23:23:26 GMT -5
so true meltdown...the vorioepirotes have come here...north epirus was very poor,it's logical... so you think it's beautiful,eh?i believe that it's even more beautiful when little albanian kids talk to their parents in greek...and many of them are greek orthodox...you cant imagine how much i like this...think only that only 17 years have passed since 1990... ;D after 50 years,what? that does NOT mean anything, i mean i speak swedish to my family to(at times i speak Swedish and at times i speak Albanian) and with friends (albos)but i am very much Albanian even though i grew up in sweden, i feel more albanian than swedish and i show if off as much as i can, sometimes people get interested and ask questions, and after the talk some actually say i think its time to visit Albania i heard its getting better for the tourist ;D Yes, but you are comparing recent migration and continuous habitation for 1000's of years. You feel Albanian in Sweden because your parents are Albanian who migrated to Sweden. The Albanian citizens of Greek descent have never spoke another language and are the autocthonous population of that part of the country and not recent migrants. If they were your comparison would be correct but they are not.
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Post by leandros nikon on Dec 5, 2007 2:07:48 GMT -5
transferred from "albanian atrocities" topic. by Georgios Kastriotis.
The question of northern Epirus at the Peace Conference,
Cassavetes, Nicholas J Brown, Carroll Neidé, 1869- New York : Pub. for the Pan-Epirotic Union of America, Boston, Mass., by Oxford University Press, American Branch 1919
CHAPTER XII ALBANIAN ATROCITIES
THE following lists of atrocities and oppressions we have compiled from the daily Greek papers, in which relatives of the sufferers publish letters arriving from Epirus.
Norwich, Conn. April 14, 1918. Mr. Soteriades' letter:
(extract) My dear Stephanos:
I wish to announce to you that my cousin, Gregorios Soteriades (brother of the representative) was thrown into jail, in Argyrocastron, by the Italian Government, and died from maltreatment. ELIAS SOTERIADES.
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From a letter sent to Mr. Savas Papadopoulos by his people living in Northern Epirus :
In Trikoupi, they killed Mr. Take Ntete.
In the district of Argyrocastron the Albanians are robbing and killing the Greek population.
In upper Lambovon, they killed four Greeks.
In Vlacho-Gorantzi, they killed six Greeks.
In the district of Zagori, they killed ten Greeks, and many others in other villages.
There are only Italian and Albanian schools in these districts and no Greek schools or Greek priests are allowed.
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Mr. Panagiotis Ditsianis' letter reads in part as follows :
Mr. Cassavetes : Southbridge, Mass.
. . . From a letter from Worcester, Mass., we learn' the killing of five persons in Lower-Gorantzi (district of Argyrocastron) in the most distressing way. The Albanians put out the eyes of their victims, then they cut their hands, legs and noses and left them half -dead. When this terrible fact was referred to the Italian Government, the officials said to the peasants: "As long as you like to be united with Greece 1 it is only suffering that you have to expect." A letter relating the above fact is in the possession of Mr. Elias Liolios, Worcester, Mass.
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A letter from Mr. N. Contes reads in part as follows:
. . . The Italian officials, besides the fact that they allow the Turco-Albanians to commit all kinds of atrocities among the Greek population even under their very eyes, have dismissed all the Greek teachers from the town Sopiki (district of Pogoni) and put Italian teachers in their places. . . .
N. CONTES.
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A letter from Mr. Eustathios Gegas reads as follows :
Worcester, Mass., April 21, 1918. To the President of the Pan-Epirotic Union, etc.
All the letters that come from our distressed Northern Epirus depict the situation in the darkest colors.
The officials of the Italian Government seized many leaders in the community of Premeti, all honest men and with dependents. We do not know what their fate has been so far. Among them there are two merchants, two real estate men, one physician, one professor, one priest, and many others. . . .
EUSTATHIOS GEGAS.
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A letter from Mr. Spyridon Batsaris reads as follows:
Waterville, Me., Aug. 7, 1918. My dear President of the Pan-Epirotic Union:
, All letters that are received here from our beloved country are cut down by the Italian censor. Our people cannot write anything, not even about the lack of food, on account of the Italian fear. It is too bad that we enjoyed liberty only for a little while. Italian slavery is worse than Turkish ever was. . . .
SPYRIDON BATSAEIS.
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From a letter of Mr. Athanasios Gegas:
Worcester, Mass., June 10, 1918. My dear Secretary of the Pan-Epirotic Union:
I have just received a letter from my people of the village "Glina" (district of Argyrocastron) and they informed me that Albanians have seized six Greeks from the village Upper-Gorantzi, and killed them. These Greeks were returning home from their farms. When this fact was reported to the Italian officials, they got the following answer: "As long as you want to be united with Greece, you are to suffer from the Albanians. . . ."
ATHANASIOS GEGAS.
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Extract from Mr. Pantos' letter:
In a letter that I have received from my town I found a slip of printed paper put in by the Italian censor advising me to write on the envelope, Droviani, Albania, instead of Droviani, Epirus. I cannot see the justice of the Italian government when she wants to liberate the Italians of Trieste on the one hand, and on the other hand enslaves the Epirotes, etc.
K. PANTOS.
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From a letter of Messrs. Vasilios Vallevos & Constantine Vassos:
My dear Mr. Cassavetes:
A large Albanian band seized the following peasants from the village of Vlacho-Gorantzi:
1. John Bitsios, 70 years old and lame;
2. Basil Bitsios, 5 ;
3. Charalambos K. Bessios;
4. Evangelos Kentros ;
5. Constantine Papanastassios ;
6. Demeter Telios.
All of them suffered terribly at the hands of the Albanian brigands and finally died, etc. . . .
VASILIOS VALLEVOS. CONSTANTINE VASSOS.
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A letter from Mr. K. A. Pantos reads in part as fol- lows:
My dear Mr. Cassavetes:
... A friend of mine and member of our association has adopted a Mohammedan girl and brought her up in the Christian religion. Now "Vatra" the Albanian association, whose president is a Christian priest, wants to take her away from him and give her back to the Mohammedan- Albanians. The girl is unwilling to go. . . .
K. A. PANTOS.
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A letter from Mr. Stephan Gionis is in part as follows :
Milwaukee, Wis. Mar. 9, 1918. Dear Friend:
. . . On account of the murder of Mr. Papastathis (1) the officials seized seven persons (the list of names follows), and sent them in irons to Argyrocastron and Valona. . . .
STEPHEN GIONIS.
(1) This Papastathis came to Worcester from Austria and remained there as a priest of the Albanians. He left Worcester a few years ago threatening to kill all Greeks that he could in Northern Epirus. He was killed by the Albanians of the opposite party.
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From a letter from Santi Quaranta the following paragraph becomes interesting, in as much as the Italian censor erased four lines.
Santi Quaranta April 12, 1918. Dear brother Sotiii:
. . . On the 26th of the past month Natsios . . . (here the Italian censor interrupted the narration) and he lived up to the 9th of this month and then died. . . .
ANDEEAS.
Note It is obvious that the Italian censor would not allow any information as to what this man suffered before he died, to leak out.
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Extract from a letter of D. Lavares:
Dear Sir:
I consider it my duty to let you know that our country- men are suffering in North Epirus from the Albanians and the local authorities as well.
Letters that we have received from Sopiki (Pogoni) and from Vostina report that an Albanian band took prisoners three men, Char. Matsoulras, Thomas Kogionas and Char. Volios and after having whipped them burned them with boiling oil. Their fate is unknown.
Also an Italian detachment arrested Mr. P. Mauromates a nd seven women and put them in dungeons in Argyrocastro. Nothing is known as to the cause of this action on the part of the Italian officials. Etc., etc.
(Signed) D. LAVARES.
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Extract from a letter of Mr. Vasilios Styliaras:
Faviana, Italy, Feb. 11, 1918. My dear Friends, Pauteli Tsini and Theodore Notti :
I have been here, as an exile, eight months. I was in prison in Valona for five months and now I am here an exile on an island with no friends, and no countrymen around.
I beg you to send me some money because I am in a great need, etc.
(Signed) VASIUOS STYLIABAS.
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Extract from a letter of Mr. Vasilios K. Lenas :
Dear Sir:
A little distance away from the village of Upper Lambovon (district of Argyrocastro) Albanian brigands carried away the shepherds, Spyridon Memos, and his son Constantine and after receiving four thousand francs as ransom, set them free. This happened in July, 1917. In November of the same year another band of Albanian brigands killed Michael Graves while he was working on his farm. In February- 1918, Albanian brigands carried away Michael Louzes, a twelve year old boy and after receiving 8,000 francs as ransom set the boy free. These Albanian brigands carried away many other people and after receiving heavy ransoms they left them free.
(Signed) V. K. LENAS.
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Jannina, May 25, 1918. My dear Nicholas :
The Greek authorities have gone as far as Delirnakion since last October, and even as far as Kossovitza and Vostina. From there north all the places are occupied by the Italians.
Now, you can imagine how we get along in our villages. The Abanians are supported by the Italians and do as they please. They are now wreaking their vengeance on the Christians. The Moslem Albanians have grown great and powerful. Bazes has again returned to our village, and has begun his old game burning our poor huts.
We are obliged to suffer everything, and to wait for the arrival of the Greek army. I tell you now the Christians with joy and hope wait for the arrival of the Greek troops* indeed with more joy than in 1913, when they were to be freed from the Turks. So much have they been op- pressed.
In vain do we wait daily for the Greek forces to march into Northern Epirus. They are ordered to go to Saloniki.
In all of North Epirus the Greek teachers have been dismissed by the Italians, and the Fratelli work as if they never intended to leave the place.
Italian and Albanian teachers were sent to replace the Greeks. But the Albanian teachers have everywhere been driven out of the villages, and no parent will send his child to learn Albanian.
SPYBOS.
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A report sent by Basil, the Metropolitan Bishop of Dryinopolis and Argyrocastron, to Mr. B. Venizelos.
July 18, 1917.
I have the honor to submit to your Excellency the fol- lowing:
During the ministry of your Excellency's predecessors I submitted again and again reports with accurate details concerning violations, murders, arson, and expatriation on the part of the Albanians, assisted in a very large measure by the local Italian military authorities both in North and South Epirus.
But the former ministry of Greece informed me that it could not then approach the Italian Embassy at Athens owing to the attitude of the Allies toward the Government of King Constantine.
Thus nothing was done by your predecessor's ministry to secure tolerable conditions of life for the innocent victims of Epirus. As a matter of fact, these unfortunate Greek people have been deprived even of their spiritual leadership, by my violent expulsion on the 22nd of September, 1916, from Argyrocastron, escorted by an Italian guard of fifteen soldiers with bayonets fixed, as if I were a criminal. In fact, I was told that I was pernicious to public safety because I protested against the occupation of our towns by Italian troops who came to promote the Albanification of North Epirus.
I do merely repeat now what in previous reports I have communicated to your Excellency's predecessors. The atrocities committed by the Albanians have been protested against by the Deputies from North Epirus, and by the numerous Epirotic Societies in the Kingdom of Greece.
In May 1917, the Italian Government, in order to please a small minority of Albanians, declared Albania independent and under her protection.
I beg your Excellency to take drastic measures for the security of the lives and properties of the suffering Epirotes, and for the return of those who have been vio- lently expatriated to various unhealthy places, and more especially to a deserted island near Cyrenica, on the ground that they refused to raise the Albanian flag when Italy, having driven away the Greek authorities, established an arbitrary Albanophile regime.
Hoping that your Excellency will be so good as to take salutary measures in behalf of the steadily perishing Greek population of North Epirus, I pray incessantly for your Excellency's health and happiness.
BISHOP OF DRYINOPOLIS AND AEGYEOCASTRON.
Athens, July 18, 1917.
September, 1916.
a) The Bishop of Dryinopolis and the trustee of the Metropolis Porphyries Bumbos were violently expelled.
b) The Monastery of Melana was forcibly occupied by Italian troops and surrendered to Moslem Albanians who transformed it into a take or Turkish Mosque.
c) Ninety leaders of the Greek community in the town of Drymades, of Himara were expelled and transported to a little desert island near Tripoli, in Africa, and there are strictly secluded. Other victims have been thrown into the dungeons of Argyrocastron, accused of having refused to raise the Albanian flag. Such are the brothers Stavros and Anastasios Tsakas and others. . . .
November, 1916.
d) In the villages Trivouki, Kato Lamboven, and Houdoukouki the Albanians have killed twelve Greeks.
e) Three Moslem Albanians of Linbehovo with four Carabinieri attacked the Greek teacher Stephanos Katzalides in the village Vrahosorourtzi, after having forced the door of the Greek school.
December, 1916.
f ) Thirty-two Christians from Drorsani, for the lack of postal service, sent letters to the Epirotic city of Jannina by messengers, and were immediately cast into dungeons.
g) Near Kato Lamboven Christ Kentron Totes was killed.
h) At Palaeocastron the priest Gregory was assassinated.
i) In Tsagioupi an elderly Greek mother and her son were murdered.
j) Near the village Lecles two young men of Greek parentage were murdered.
k) In the district of Delirno, of Liountza, of Zagoria, on pretext of disarming the Greek population, very many innocent Greeks were cast into dungeons, others were beaten to death, some were expatriated, and the entire Greek population was terrorized.
l) Over 2,000 Moslem Albanians enlisted as volunteers, and under Italian uniform were sent to different parts of North Epirus to terrorize the Greek population to become Albanians.
m) Italian Carabinieri desecrated the Holy of Holies of the Greek Orthodox Churches in the villages of Houmenitza and Palaeocastron.
February, 1917.
n) In all the Greek villages, Italian schools were first opened, and now Moslem priests (Hodjas) are imposed upon the Christian Greeks, to teach the children the Albanian language. Very numerous Moslem Albanian families take the place of the persecuted Greek families, in order that the world may be confronted by an accomplished fact when peace is concluded and North Epirus may be assigned to Albania on the ground that it is inhabited by Albanians.
o) In the village of Senitza of the district of Delirno a certain Mohammedan Albanian, Messia Ghiontas, with a band of thirty robbers stole away 360 head of cattle, and killed Michael Petrou, and carried away with them to the prisons of Delirno a certain Christian Greek, D. Anas- tasopoulos where he died of exposure.
March and April, 1917.
p) In the village of Costari the Moslem Albanians Vehip Gotris and Tzape with eleven Albanian bandits destroyed the house of N. Cotes and seized Lambis Tsizis whom they bound to a tree, and killed by mutilating his body.
q) In a town in Filiates, eighteen community leaders of Greek race were seized, and sent in irons to the dungeon of Argyrocastron, and their fates are unknown.
r) The Greek priest Papagiannes of Depalitia was seized and sent in chains to the dungeon of Valona, under the accusation of having incited rebellion.
s) Vassil Styliares, of Ostemnitsa, of the District of Premeti was shot, because he had taken part in the rebellion of 1914 against the Albanian rule in North Epirus. On a similar accusation the Albano-Italians hanged Gregory Kaliantzes of Ostemnitsa.
t) In the town of Tsagouzi the Albanians demanded the surrender of a Greek Epirote, Nasios Kotos. Kotos did not appear. The Albanians seized Kotos* young wife, and demanded 5,000 drachmas, pretending that Kotos owed that sum to them. Upon her refusing to give up the money, they bound her to a tree, and murdered her by pouring over her body boiling oil.
u) Seventeen villagers of the village of Lecles were butchered in the fields while they were working there, on the ground that they too had risen in rebellion against the Albanian state.
v) During Passion week, the immemorial custom of ringing the bells was abolished.
w) The communications between the portion of Epirus occupied by Italy, and that now belonging to Greece have been totally stopped.
x) The Italians drove away the Greek officials, and collected the taxes which belong to the Greek government.
y) All the civil and judicial clerks that occupied their positions under the autonomy of North Epirus have been dismissed, then imprisoned, and their properties confiscated, and the amount of taxes paid by the Mussulmans to the Greek government was returned to the Mohammedan Albanians.
z) Despite the assurances of Italy that her occupation of North Epirus would be but temporary, and that such occupation was dictated by military necessities, the Italian commander in North Epirus, General Prussi, has raised with great ceremonies the Albanian flag, and announced officially the termination of the jurisdiction of Greece over North Epirus.
z') -On Easter day April 2, by permission of the Italian authorities a certain Papapanos from Roumania, came from Valona to Argyrocastron and was appointed priest by the Italian local authorities. Papapanos read mass in Albanian. Whereupon the Christians rushed out. This disapproval of the Albanian language by the Christians of Northern Epirus annoyed the Italian authorities, who immediately afterwards ordered the arrest of forty wealthy Greeks of Argyrocastron.
That Italy has followed, not the Italian traditions but German methods in the treatment of the Epirotes, is shown in the desperate appeal made by the Greek Deputies from Northern Epirus who were refused admission to the Greek Parliament by Mr. Venizelos, like the Cretan deputies in 1910, in order to avoid European complications.
The Deputies from Northern Epirus protest against the barbarous attempt of the military authorities of Italy to exterminate the Greek element of Northern Epirus
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 5, 2007 2:25:03 GMT -5
8) To compensate for all the destructions and damages that the Greeks of Northern Epirus suffered.
For all those reasons, the Albanians not only lack the right to relocate in Epirus and receive any kind of compensation for their fortune,
You need to wake up and smell the coffee. Not only have over 500,000 Albanians resettled in manland, heart of the Pelops, Greece, some even received compensation for their settlement, since 1991. "but on the contrary our country has the right to demand claims from Albania. " Well, our lone sentry on the border has been waiting since you guys started with these kinds of threats. Will you ever stop dreaming and make it happen? We're getting bored and need some entertainment from our southern "threat'. lolol
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