that about sultans and hes harem but this dont tutch common turks they are in % of Dna turkalbanoarabs they have mixt with arabs more because u have common faith- common customs common scriptics ect christians wash 2 cond glass peoples in osmans times so they have keep you away with the gun point some phanariote wash corruped and turkniset but if in 1922 we had 2 millions greeks long the asian coast that says allots u never have turnise greeks example is cyprus greeks are greeks 100% in pre 1963 time if turk have wond prosperity or better job he had to speak greek because greeks had pay better sallaries then the fukaras turks or extention of bussines had need greek tongue=morecustomers=greek cypriots so 4 to communicate with them they had to speak greek but no mixt turkish village wash turkish and greek greek gypsies and turks had mixt and previus in 1700 arabs with turks so turks u take what u are turkogifti
I feel people are forgetting there are three aspects to what identifies a persons origins.
1)Nationality- what nation(modern sense) you belong to.
2)Ethnicity- what group you are related to due to language, religion, and yes even DNA irrelevant of where you live in the world.
3)Race- Even though Anthropologist don't like using that term it is a reality. From a people living in the same area and having only mixed with each other certain genetic characteristics become dominant. These characteristics are what makes someone part of a race.
So when discussing something you must decide which is being discussed. What Alabama seems to be pointing out is that the Turks of today are not RACIALLY Turkish(on the most part and due to only a short term amalgamation. While they are NATIONALLY and ETHNICALLY Turkish. Now with this said there are still non-Turks ETHNICALLY in Turkey such as the Pontians who still speak Pontiaka as well as Turkish because of the NATION they live in. There are also the Kurds.
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Post by albanesehoney on Nov 30, 2007 21:29:13 GMT -5
The conclusions are you mixed with Greeks early on... and that Alex the great and his men had spread their sperm all over the known world back then.
So, why do Greeks, like Prof Poulianos, rail against the genetic tests that connected Greeks to Sub Saharan and E African males? With this kind of evidence, I think Greeks would embrace these results as it clearly proves that a % of your Greek males are descendants of African mothers and clearly, a Greek father. ;D
Post by albanesehoney on Nov 30, 2007 22:25:58 GMT -5
The Albanian males descendants of African fathers and clearly an Albanian mothers who was an African s-l-u-t who make a lot of albinoafricano bast....
Clearly katra, then what you claim completely destroys and disproves all mumbo jumbo theories by Poulianos that the modern greeks's could have ever had a genetic connection to alexander the great and his macedonians, or even any of those ancient Pelasgians or even Illyrians and Dorians, Mycenaeans, Achaeans, Athenians, Thessallians, Epirotes, Thracians, Ionians, Trojans, Dardanians, etc etc ? I guess Karta, you do a swell job of shooting yourself and Poulianos's theories about Greek history. ;D We knew all along Greeks were not the Illyrians or Pelasgians and especially Trojans and Olympias/Phillip/Alexander/Hector/Paris/Helen/Agamemnon/Achilles were all genetically connected to and ancestors of Albanians.
Post by albanesehoney on Dec 1, 2007 0:19:58 GMT -5
That's a modern adaptation-mishmash of the Aramaic and creole language the descendants of Alexander's generals fused with their subject people's language and their own. so, of course i don't speak your melting pot soup of all languages from India to Morroco and down to Kenya.
I only speak the original Macedonian barbarian language Alexander spoke to his Macedon generals.
DIFFUSION OF GENES AND LANGUAGESIN HUMAN EVOLUTION
ALBERTO PIAZZADipartimento di Genetica, Biologia e Biochimica,Università di Torino,via Santena 19, 10126 Torino, Italyalberto.email@example.comLUIGI CAVALLI SFORZADepartment of Genetics,Stanford University,Stanford, CA 94305,USAcavalli@stanford.eduIn a study by Cavalli-Sforza et al.
(1988), the spread of anatomically modernman was reconstructed on the basis of genetic and linguistic pieces of evidence:the main conclusion was that these two approaches reflect a common underlyinghistory, the history of our past still frozen in the genes of modern populations.
From a linguistic distance matrix whoseelements are the fraction of words with the same lexical root for any pair oflanguages and its transformation to make the matrix elements proportional totime of differentiation, we were able to reconstruct a linguistic tree. The root ofthe tree separates Albanians from the others, with a reproducibility rate (theerror in reconstructing the tree) of 71 percent. The next oldest branch isArmenian. The simplest interpretation is that the language of the first migrant Anatolian farmers survives today in two direct descendants, Albanian and Armenian, which diverged from the oldest pre-Indo-European languages indifferent directions but remained relatively close to the point of origin. If we give to the first split the time depth of the beginning of the expansionof the pre-Indo-European Anatolian farmers, about 9,000 years ago, we can then calculate that the origin of the European branch dates to about 6,000 years ago......
Post by albanesehoney on Dec 1, 2007 1:35:18 GMT -5
Albanian Language did not play a role in the world the have greek,l turkish and slavic loanwords
Karta, if you don't understand this point,
" From a linguistic distance matrix whose elements are the fraction of words with the same lexical root for any pair oflanguages and its transformation to make the matrix elements proportional totime of differentiation, we were able to reconstruct a linguistic tree. The root ofthe tree separates Albanians from the others, with a reproducibility rate (theerror in reconstructing the tree) of 71 percent."
Then, let the more intellectually inclined take over. Because you are doing serious damage to all your claims and credible representative of Greek claims.
even today turks provokes us in Aegean sea few milles from greek islands next of Rhodes are large oil feelds southern of island nothink to do with turkeys frontiers but turks provokes they dont wond that greece pumps oil because?? we have friendship ha ha... so they never learn what u throw up drops down and some times in ur head.. so turks away from greek waters ... greek gov has keep secrit pre- elections happenings now relist it we know u are mongolian mongsters.. i have prefer any other nation next to greece even china but not turks to turks have stay osmans megalomania =complex now they wond to go to iraq to kill few kurds ha ha
Emperor AAdmin: Sorry Rexxy, that is just a win for Swiss. Plain and simple. Where certain players origins are from ... who cares... it was all for swiss colors my friend...I am afraid noone is connecting Albanians to this game in any shape or form hahahaha
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Rusyn: Who knows, maybe they think Switzerland is part of Albania also
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rex362: oh the politics of football.......ok then ....dont let me find you as being hypocrites if I find/see any post of you highlighting any serbian players on any other countries sport teams
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rex362: fricken hooligans
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bosnett23: Pozzz svima ako imate želju da proučite više o historiji Bosne, Ilirima idr....preporučujem svakako www.bosnett.com dobar arhiv knjiga i postova. Stranica ima funkcije poput FB. L.P.
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Rusyn: hahaha bosnia have no history.. plz get real dude
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Pyrros: AAADmine why do let you Caucasians Cherkesian ANTI-GREEKS, ANTI-ORHTODOX ppl (Leandros Nikon) to lock threads ?
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Pyrros: bosnett jos vise anglosaksonski lazi?
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Emperor AAdmin: Vatra feel free to open a threat about that topic in Greece Forum and we can discuss there. Thanks.
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Pyrros: Admine, you are a fair and cool Serb. I acknowledge that. But too many freedoms have a bad ending. It lets albs and other cherkesians (like Leandros Nikon) multiply.
Jan 8, 2023 9:08:38 GMT -5
rex362: ahahahaha.....too many freedoms ahahaha...cherk-whatever ahahahah....fair & cool serb ahahahahah...you ass kissing communist ahahahahah bad ending-for who ? you ? aahhaahhahhaaa
Jan 8, 2023 13:21:46 GMT -5
leandros nikon: pyro is funny guy of the forum.I am cherkesian?No man i am Asia minor Greek!on the other hand you are a confused Greek,mperdemenos eisai!
Jan 8, 2023 15:45:09 GMT -5
Rusyn: @leandros nikon Vatra is "fire" in Serbian, and Pyrros is Greek equvialent of that name. Also Pyrros was used to be known as Kralj Vatra in his older accounts hence Admin calls him both ways.
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