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Post by ahristos on Nov 30, 2007 10:24:28 GMT -5
that about sultans and hes harem but this dont tutch common turks they are in % of Dna turkalbanoarabs they have mixt with arabs more because u have common faith- common customs common scriptics ect christians wash 2 cond glass peoples in osmans times so they have keep you away with the gun point some phanariote wash corruped and turkniset but if in 1922 we had 2 millions greeks long the asian coast that says allots u never have turnise greeks example is cyprus greeks are greeks 100% in pre 1963 time if turk have wond prosperity or better job he had to speak greek because greeks had pay better sallaries then the fukaras turks or extention of bussines had need greek tongue=morecustomers=greek cypriots so 4 to communicate with them they had to speak greek but no mixt turkish village wash turkish and greek greek gypsies and turks had mixt and previus in 1700 arabs with turks so turks u take what u are turkogifti
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Post by Niklianos on Nov 30, 2007 15:46:16 GMT -5
I feel people are forgetting there are three aspects to what identifies a persons origins.
1)Nationality- what nation(modern sense) you belong to.
2)Ethnicity- what group you are related to due to language, religion, and yes even DNA irrelevant of where you live in the world.
3)Race- Even though Anthropologist don't like using that term it is a reality. From a people living in the same area and having only mixed with each other certain genetic characteristics become dominant. These characteristics are what makes someone part of a race.
So when discussing something you must decide which is being discussed. What Alabama seems to be pointing out is that the Turks of today are not RACIALLY Turkish(on the most part and due to only a short term amalgamation. While they are NATIONALLY and ETHNICALLY Turkish. Now with this said there are still non-Turks ETHNICALLY in Turkey such as the Pontians who still speak Pontiaka as well as Turkish because of the NATION they live in. There are also the Kurds.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Nov 30, 2007 19:43:51 GMT -5
Ç ìåãÜëç ÅëëçíéêÞ ìåéïíüôçôá ôçò Ôïõñêßáò Ïé ñùìéüöùíïé ìïõóïõëìÜíïé ôïõ éóôïñéêïý Ðüíôïõ, Þ ôïõëÜ÷éóôïí ìåãÜëç ìåñßäá áõôþí, äåí èåùñïýí ôïí åáõôü ôïõò Ôïýñêï, áëëÜ ïýôå êáé ¸ëëçíá – ÃéïõíÜí. Èåùñïýí ôïí åáõôü ôïõò Ñùìéü! Êáé ìðïñåß óå ðïëëïýò áðü åìÜò ï óõó÷åôéóìüò ¸ëëçí = Ñùìéüò íá èåùñåßôáé áõôïíüçôïò, ãéá ôïõò êáôïßêïõò ôçò ðåñéï÷Þò åêåßíçò, üìùò äåí åßíáé, ôïõëÜ÷éóôïí ðñïò ôï ðáñüí. Ìå ôçí Ýííïéá ¸ëëçí = ÃéïõíÜí áíôéëáìâÜíïíôáé ôïõò êáôïßêïõò ôçò óõã÷ñüíïõ ÅëëÜäïò áëëÜ êáé ôïõò ¸ëëçíåò ôùí äõôéêþí ðáñáëßùí ôçò ÌéêñÜò Áóßáò. Ìå ôïí üñï Ñùìéüò áíôéëáìâÜíïíôáé ôïõò êáôïßêïõò ôïõ Ðüíôïõ, ÷ñéóôéáíïýò êáé ìïõóïõëìÜíïõò, ïé ïðïßïé ìéëïýí ôá ñùìáßéêá. Ùò ôþñá, ï áõôïðñïóäéïñéóìüò ôïõò ãßíïíôáí êáé ãßíåôáé ìå âÜóç ôçí ãëþóóá. Êáé ç ãëþóóá ôïõò äéáöÝñåé ðïëý êáé ìå ôçí íÝá åëëçíéêÞ, ôïõëÜ÷éóôïí óôá þôá ôïõò, êáèþò êáé ìå ôçí ãëþóóá ðïõ ïìéëïýóáí ïé ¸ëëçíåò êÜôïéêïé ôùí ðáñáëßùí ôçò ÌéêñÜò Áóßáò. Åêåß, üìùò, ðïõ ôá ðñÜãìáôá Üñ÷éóáí íá ðåñéðëÝêïíôáé ãéá ôïõò ñùìéüöùíïõò ìïõóïõëìÜíïõò åßíáé üôáí Þëèáí êáé Ýñ÷ïíôáé óå åðáöÞ ìå ÷ñéóôéáíïýò ðñüóöõãåò áðü ôïí Ðüíôï, ìå ôïõò ïðïßïõò ìéëïýí ôçí ßäéá ãëþóóá, Ý÷ïõí ôá ßäéá ìïõóéêÜ áêïýóìáôá êáé ôá ßäéá ôñáãïýäéá êáé îÝñïõí üôé åßíáé öõëåôéêÜ ôï ßäéï, áëëÜ ïé ôåëåõôáßïé äçëþíïõí ¸ëëçíåò, äçëáäÞ ÃéïõíÜí! Ôþñá åßìáóôå óôï óôÜäéï ôùí æõìþóåùí, üðïõ áñêåôïß áðü ôïõò ñùìéüöùíïõò ìïõóïõëìÜíïõò ôïõ Ðüíôïõ áíáêáëýðôïõí üôé Ñùìéüò = ¸ëëçí = ÃéïõíÜí!
Óôçí Ôïõñêßá æïõí óÞìåñá ïé áðüãïíïé ôïõ áñ÷áßïõ ëáïý ôùí Êáñäïý÷ùí, ïé Êïýñäïé, ðïõ áñéèìïýí 12.000.000 Þ êáô� Üëëïõò 16.000.000, ÷ùñßò åëåõèåñßåò, ÷ùñßò äéêáéþìáôá, ÷ùñßò ôï äéêáßùìá ãéá áõôïäéÜèåóç. Æïõí êÜôù áðü óêëáâéÜ (áðÜíèñùðç ìåôá÷åßñéóç, âßá, ìåôáôïðßóåéò, åêôïðßóåéò ðëçèõóìéáêÝò) êáé õößóôáíôáé áðü ôï 1821 ìßá óõíå÷Þ ãåíïêôïíßá, äéüôé áí êáé ÌïõóïõëìÜíïé äåí áöïìïéþíïíôáé ìå ôïõò Ôïýñêïõò. ¼ôáí áíÝëáâáí ôçí åîïõóßá ïé Íåüôïõñêïé-Êåìáëéêïß óôçí Ôïõñêßá, ðáãéþèçêå ç ÐáíôïõñêéêÞ-ÐáíôïõñáíéêÞ éäåïëïãßá, ðïõ âáóßæåôáé óôç êáôáðßåóç, áñ÷éêÜ èñçóêåõôéêÞ, ìåôÝðåéôá ãëùóóéêÞ êáé åÜí õðÜñ÷åé áíôßäñáóç, ôüôå åöáñìüæåôáé ç ãåíïêôïíßá. Óôç óõíÝ÷åéá åöáñìüæåôáé ç ðïëéôéóìéêÞ ãåíïêôïíßá, ìå ôåëéêü óêïðü ôçí áöïìïßùóç. ÌåôÜ ôçí ãåíïêôïíßá ôùí Áñìåíßùí, óåéñÜ åß÷áí ïé ¸ëëçíåò êáé áðü ôï 1922 ïé 47 ìéêñÝò åèíüôçôåò ðïõ êáôïéêïýí óôç Ôïõñêßá êáé ç êïõñäéêÞ ìåéïíüôçôá, ðïõ åßíáé ðëçèõóìéáêÜ ðïëý ìåãÜëç êáé äåí åßíáé äõíáôüí íá åîáöáíéóôåß áõôïóôéãìåß. Ï ÍôåìéñÝë, ôï 1991, åßðå: «Ç ðáñá÷þñçóç äéêáéùìÜôùí óôïõò Êïýñäïõò èá áðïôåëÝóåé ôçí áðáñ÷Þ ôçò äéáëýóåùò ôçò Ôïõñêßáò, ðïõ Ý÷åé 27 åèíüôçôåò». Ôï 1986, ôï ÐáíåðéóôÞìéï ôçò Âüííçò (êáé åéäéêÜ ôï ÐáíåðéóôÞìéï ôïõ Ôýìðéãêåí) Ýêáíå ìßá åèíïëïãéêÞ Ýñåõíá óôçí Ôïõñêßá ìå åìðüäéá, ðáñåìâÜóåéò êáé ÷ùñßò âïÞèåéá áðü ôçí ôïõñêéêÞ êõâÝñíçóç. ¼ìùò ïé Ãåñìáíïß êáé ïé ¢ããëïé åèíïëüãïé ôïõ Ðáíåðéóôçìßïõ ôçò Âüííçò âñÞêáí óôçí Ôïõñêßá íá êáôïéêïýí 47 åèíüôçôåò, ðïõ äåí Ý÷ïõí êáìéÜ öõëåôéêÞ-åèíéêÞ ó÷Ýóç ìå ôïõò Ôïýñêïõò, ðáñÜ ìüíï ìå ôçí ãëþóóá, ðïõ ôïõò ôçí åðéâÜëëïõí. ÈñçóêåõôéêÜ, ç ðëåéïøçößá ôùí åßíáé ÌïõóïõëìÜíïé, áëëÜ Ý÷ïõí êÜðïéåò éäéáéôåñüôçôåò äïîáóôéêÝò áðü ôïõò Ôïýñêïõò. Áðü ðïëéôéóôéêÞò ðëåõñÜò, ìðïñïýìå íá ðïýìå üôé Ý÷ïõí ôçí äéêÞ ôïõò êïõëôïýñá êáé ôá äéêÜ ôïõò Þèç, Ýèéìá êáé ëáúêÝò ðáñáäüóåéò, ôçí äéêÞ ôïõò ìïõóéêÞ, ÷ïñü êáé ôñáãïýäéá, ðïõ äåí Ý÷ïõí êáìßá ó÷Ýóç ìå ôá ÔïõñêéêÜ. Ôï 1914-19, óôçí ÌéêñÜ Áóßá, Áñìåíßá, ÊïõñäéóôÜí, ï ðëçèõóìüò Þôáí 12.512.846 êÜôïéêïé. Óôçí Ì. Áóßá ïé Ôïýñêïé-Ïèùìáíïß Þóáí 1.802.697 êáé óôéò ðåñéï÷Ýò Áñìåíßáò-ÊïõñäéóôÜí ìüíïí 30.500 óå óýíïëï ðëçèõóìïý 2.644.140 êáôïßêùí (ôá óôïé÷åßá áðü ôçí ÄéÜóêåøç Ðáñéóßùí Óåâñþí). ÄçëáäÞ ïé Ôïýñêïé-Ïèùìáíïß Þóáí ôï 15% ôïõ ðëçèõóìïý óôçí Ì. Áóßá, ðïõ ðñïóðáèåß óÞìåñá íá åêôïõñêßóåé üëåò ôéò Üëëåò åèíüôçôåò. Ïé åèíïëüãïé ôïõ Ðáíåðéóôçìßïõ ôçò Âüííçò, áíÜìåóá óôéò 47 ìéêñÝò åèíüôçôåò ðïõ êáôïéêïýí óôçí Ôïõñêßá, áíáêÜëõøáí êáé ôïõò Åëëçíüöùíïõò ÌïõóïõëìÜíïõò-Êñõðôï÷ñéóôéáíïýò, ðïõ êáôïéêïýí óôïí Ðüíôï. Åðßóçò êáé ôïõò Ôïõñêüöùíïõò ÌïõóïõëìÜíïõò ÅëëçíéêÞò åèíéêÞò óõíåéäÞóåùò. Ìüíï ôï Åëëçíéêü êñÜôïò áêüìç äåí ôïõò Ý÷åé áíáêáëýøåé, äéüôé áñíåßôáé ôçí ýðáñîÞ ôùí! ºóùò áêüìç ç èÝóç ôçò óçìåñéíÞò ÅëëÜäïò Ýíáíôé ôùí ÅëëÞíùí ôçò Ñùìéïóýíçò, ðïõ êáôïéêïýí Ýîù áðü ôá óçìåñéíÜ ôçò óýíïñá, íá óôçñßæåôáé óôéò áðïöÜóåéò ôùí óõíôáêôþí ôïõ ÓõíôÜãìáôïò ôçò Åðéäáýñïõ (Á´ ÅèíéêÞ ÓõíÝëåõóç, 1 Éáíïõáñßïõ 1822), ðïõ üñéæáí ôá êÜôùèé: «¼óïé áõôü÷èïíåò êÜôïéêïé ôçò ÅðéêñÜôåéáò ôçò ÅëëÜäïò ðéóôåýóïõóéí åéò ×ñéóôüí, åéóßí ¸ëëçíåò êáé áðïëáìâÜíïõóé Üíåõ ôéíüò äéáöïñÜò üëùí ôùí ðïëéôéêþí äéêáéùìÜôùí». Áñãüôåñá ï É. ÊùëëÝôçò ëÝãåé: « � äõíÜìåèá íá èÝóùìåí äéÜêñéóßí ôéíá, ôßò Ýóôéí ¸ëëçí êáé ôßò ïõê Ýóôéí ¸ëëçí � ». ÁõôÞ åßíáé ç áéôßá ðïõ ï éóôïñéêüò Êùíóôáíôßíïò Ðáðáññçãüðïõëïò åêäéþêåôáé áðü ôï äçìüóéï (ÔìçìáôÜñ÷çò ôïõ Õðïõñãåßïõ Äéêáéïóýíçò êáé äéêáóôéêüò ðÜñåäñïò), äåí Þôáí áõôü÷èïíïò ¸ëëçíáò, äéüôé ãåííÞèçêå óôçí Êùíóôáíôéíïýðïëç, áëëÜ ìåô� ïëßãïí ôïõ áíåãíùñßóèç ç ÅëëçíéêÞ õðçêïüôçò êáé êáé åðáíÞëèåí óôï Äçìüóéï. Ôï 1887 ï Çðåéñþôçò ðïéçôÞò Êùíóôáíôßíïò ÊñõóôÜëëçò êáôáöåýãåé óôçí ÅëëÜäá äéùêþìåíïò áðü ôïõò Ôïýñêïõò. «Ôïõ êÜêïõ æçôÜ áðü ôïõò áñìüäéïõò íá ôïí âïçèÞóïõí íá óðïõäÜóåé, ôïõ êÜêïõ æçôÜ ôçí ÅëëçíéêÞí éèáãÝíåéáí». Ôï ðñüâëçìá ðïõ óõíÜíôçóáí ï Ðáðáññçãüðïõëïò êáé ï ÊñõóôÜëëçò Þôáí, üôé áí êáé ¸ëëçíåò ×ñéóôéáíïß Þóáí åôåñü÷èïíåò «íåÞëõäåò» äçëáäÞ Ñùìáßïé ¸ëëçíåò (Ñùìéïß) êáé ü÷é áõôü÷èïíåò ¸ëëçíåò ðïëßôåò ôïõ Åëëçíéêïý êñÜôïõò, äåí Ýëáâáí ìÝñïò óôï êáôÜ ôùí Ôïýñêùí áãþíá ìÝ÷ñé ôï 1829 êáé äåí åãêáôáóôÜèçêáí ìÝ÷ñé ôï 1837 óôï Åëëçíéêü êñÜôïò, ùò åê ôïýôïõ äåí åß÷áí ôá ßóá äéêáéþìáôá ìå ôïõò áõôü÷èïíåò. Ïé âáëêáíéêïß ðüëåìïé êáé ç åäáöéêÞ åðÝêôáóç ôçò ÅëëÜäáò, áõôÞí ôçí èÝóç ðåñß ÅëëÞíùí êáé Ñùìáßùí ÅëëÞíùí (Ñùìéþí) ôçí Ýèåóáí óå á÷ñçóôßá. Ç ÌéêñáóéáôéêÞ êáôáóôñïöÞ ôïõ 1922, üìùò, ôçí åðáíÝöåñå óôï ðñïóêÞíéï. Ïé ðëçèõóìéáêÝò áíôáëëáãÝò ìåôáîý ÅëëÜäáò êáé Ôïõñêßáò Ýãéíáí âÜóåé èñçóêåßáò êáé ü÷é âÜóåé ôçò åèíéêÞò óõíåéäÞóåùò. ÌåãÜëïò ÷áìÝíïò ìüíï ï Åëëçíéóìüò, áöïý Ýöõãáí áðü ôçí ÅëëÜäá 400.000 ÌïõóïõëìÜíïé, ðïëëïß áðü ôïõò ïðïßïõò Þóáí ¸ëëçíåò êáèáñÞò åèíéêÞò óõíåéäÞóåùò (Âáëëá÷Üäåò ôçò ÊïæÜíçò, Éùáííßôåò Åëëçíüöùíïé ÌïõóïõëìÜíïé ôçò Çðåßñïõ, ïé Âëá÷üöùíïé ÌïõóïõëìÜíïé «Ìåããëåíßôåò» ðïõ êáôïéêïýóáí óôçí Áëìùðßá, áëëÜ êáé ðéï íùñßò üôáí Ýöõãáí áðü ôçí ÊñÞôç êáé ïé åîéóëáìéóìÝíïé Ôïõñêïêñçôéêïß ðïõ êáôïéêïýí óÞìåñá óôçí Ôïõñêßá, óôçí Óõñßá (×áìéíôéÝ) êáé óôçí Ëéâýç (óôçí Ôïõñêßá ôï 1914-19 áñéèìïýóáí 53.926). Ó� áõôïýò ôïõò åîéóëáìéóìÝíïõò ¸ëëçíåò öýôåõóáí ïé Ôïýñêïé åèíéêÞ óõíåßäçóç, áëëÜ êáé ôï ìßóïò áðÝíáíôé óôçí ÅëëÜäá ðïõ ôïõò áðáñíÞèçêå. Áðü ôçí Ôïõñêßá ôï 1922 Ýöõãáí 1.500.000 ¸ëëçíåò ðïõ óáí ðñüóöõãåò ìåôïßêçóáí óôçí ÅëëÜäá êáé ëéãüôåñïé ìåôïßêçóáí óôçí ÓïâéåôéêÞ ¸íùóç, óôçí Âïõëãáñßá, Ñïõìáíßá êáé ëéãïóôïß óáí ÌåôáíÜóôåò êáôÝöõãáí óôçí ÁìåñéêÞ. Ôï 1914-15 óôçí ÌéêñÜ Áóßá êáôïéêïýóáí ïé êÜôùèé: á) ¸ëëçíåò: ×ñéóôéáíïß Ïñèüäïîïé 2.568.351, Äéáìáñôõñüìåíïé 5.500, ×ñéóôéáíïß Êáèïëéêïß 18.000, Ìåë÷ßôåò 14.461, ¸ëëçíåò ðïëßôåò 54.004. Óýíïëïí 2.660.316 â) ×ñéóôéáíïß áêáèüñéóôçò åèíüôçôáò: Êüðôåò 2.379, Äõôéêïß Ëáôßíïé 7.640. Óýíïëïí 10.019 ã) ÁñìÝíéïé: Ãñçãïñéáíïß 617.457, Êáèïëéêïß 11.653, Äéáìáñôõñüìåíïé 8.158. Óýíïëïí 637.268 ä) Áèßããáíïé: 74.221 å) Åâñáßïé (Éïõäáßïé): 56.970 óô) Ôïýñêïé-Ïèùìáíïß: 1.802.697 æ) ÌïõóïõëìÜíïé ÓëÜâïé: 64.462 (âüóíéïé, åñæåãïâßíéïé) ç) ÄéÜöïñïé Åõñùðáßïé: 30.397 è) ÌïõóïõëìÜíïé ÔÜôáñïé: 68.487 é) ÐÝñóåò (Óéúôåò): 10.051 éá) Êïýñäïé: 119.834 éâ) ÊéñêÜóéïé: 433.582 Óýíïëïí 2.660.701 éã) Ìïõóïõëìáíïöáíåßò Þ Ôïõñêïöáíåßò ¸ëëçíåò êáé Öñõãïðåëáóãïß: - ÊñÞôåò 53.923 - Ãéïõñïýêïé 1.291.861 - Åñõèñßíïé (Êéæßë-ÌðÜò) 384.834 - Äåñâßóéïé 173.825 - Ëýêéïé 95.000 - Ðéóßäåò 85.000 - ËõêÜïíåò 70.040 - ÐÜìöõëïé 90.004 - Ãáëëïãñáéêïß 95.000 - Ôñïêìçíïß 95.000 - ºóáõñïé, Êáððáäüêåò 225.000 - Âéèõíïß 200.000 - Ìåóï÷áëäçíïß 80.000 - Ëáæïß 125.000 - Óáííïß 303.955 - Êüë÷ïé, Áâáóãïß 210.510 - Ãåùñãéáíïß 55.000 - Áíóáñßôåò 64.000 - ÆåúìðÝêïé (ÈñÜêåò) 39.880 - Áëâáíïß 5.300 - ÐïìÜêïé (ÈñÜêåò) 85.823 Óýíïëïí 3.828.958 éä) Óýñéïé Áñáâüöùíïé: - ×ñéóôéáíïß ïñèüäïîïé 27.513 - Ìáñùíßôåò 8.314 - Éáêùâßôåò 15.481 - ×áëäáßïé 16.434 Óýíïëïí 67.741 Ãåíéêü óýíïëï ðëçèõóìïý Ì. Áóßáò 9.865.003. Åêôüò áðü ôïõò 2.660.316 ¸ëëçíåò ×ñéóôéáíïýò, õðÞñ÷áí êáé 500.000 ðåñßðïõ Êñõðôï÷ñéóôéáíïß, ðïõ óõãêáôáëÝãïíôáé óôïõò Ìïõóïõëìáíïöáíåßò ðëçèõóìïýò. Ç ÓõíèÞêç ÅéñÞíçò ôùí Ðáñéóßùí Ýêáíå åéäéêÞ ìíåßá ãé� áõôïýò êáé üñéæå åéäéêÞ ðñüíïéá ðïõ äåí ðñáãìáôïðïéÞèçêå ðïôÝ. Ïé ðåñéóóüôåñïé Êñõðôï÷ñéóôéáíïß êáôïéêïýóáí óôïí Ðüíôï, äåí ìðïñïýóáí íá åãêáôáëåßøïõí ôïí Ìùáìåèáíéóìü, äéüôé óýìöùíá ìå ôïí ïèùìáíéêü êþäéêá õðÞñ÷å ç ñçôÞ äéÜôáîç ðïõ üñéæå ôçí ðïéíÞ ôïõ èáíÜôïõ ãéá ôïõò ×ñéóôéáíïýò ðïõ ãßíïíôáí ÌïõóïõëìÜíïé êáé áñãüôåñá åðÝóôñåöáí óôçí ðáëéÜ ôïõò ðßóôç. Åðßóçò ï ïèùìáíéêüò êþäéêáò üñéæå üôé ôá ðáéäéÜ ×ñéóôéáíïý êáé ÌùáìåèáíÞò äåí åðéôñÝðåôï íá ãßíïõí ×ñéóôéáíïß. ÌåôÜ ôïí Êñéìáúêü ðüëåìï, ïé Ôïýñêïé õðï÷ñåþèçêáí íá äå÷ôïýí ôçí áðïêáôÜóôáóç ôùí Êñõðôï÷ñéóôéáíþí ùò ×ñéóôéáíþí. Óôïí Ðüíôï ïñßóôçêáí åðéôñïðÝò ðïõ èá Ýêáíáí ôçí ìåôáãñáöÞ ôïõò. ÅðåéäÞ üìùò ðñïóÞëèáí ðÜñá ðïëëïß ðïõ äÞëùíáí üôé åßíáé ×ñéóôéáíïß êáé Üëëáæáí ôá ïíüìáôÜ ôïõò óå ×ñéóôéáíéêÜ, ïé Ôïýñêïé, ãéá íá áðïôñÝøïõí áõôü ôï öáéíüìåíï, ðåñéüñéóáí ôïí ÷ñüíï ôçò ìåôáãñáöÞò, åíþ ïé åðéôñïðÝò ÷ñïíïôñéâïýóáí åóêåììÝíá êáé äåí Ýêáíáí äåêôÝò ÷éëéÜäåò áéôÞóåéò. ¼ôáí Ýëçîå ï ÷ñüíïò ìåôáãñáöÞò ôùí Êñõðôï÷ñéóôéáíþí óå ×ñéóôéáíïýò, ðáñÜ ôéò äéáìáñôõñßåò, ïé åðéôñïðÝò Ýêëåéóáí êáé áðáãïñåýôçêáí ïé ìåôáãñáöÝò äéüôé äåí åäüèç êáììéÜ ÷ñïíéêÞ ðáñÜôáóç. Ôï 1899 êáé ôï 1902, óôï ÂéëáÝôé ôçò ¢ãêõñáò êáé óôçí ðåñéï÷Þ Áê-ÍôÜãê-ÌÜíôåí, 1000 Êñõðôï÷ñéóôéáíïß, ðïõ ïíïìÜæïíôï Óôáõñéþôåò, äéáêÞñõîáí ðùò åßíáé ×ñéóôéáíïß äçìïóßùò, áñíÞèçêáí ôá ÌïõóïõëìáíéêÜ ïíüìáôÜ ôïõò êáé áñíÞèçêáí íá ãñÜøïõí ôá ðáéäéÜ ôïõò ìå ÌïõóïõëìáíéêÜ ïíüìáôá. Ïé Ôïýñêïé áíôÝäñáóá, ü÷é ìüíï äåí ôïõò áíáãíþñéóáí óáí ×ñéóôéáíïýò áëëÜ óõíÝëáâáí êáé 19 ðñïêñßôïõò ðïõ ôïõò öõëÜêéóáí-åîüñéóáí. Ôï 1918 (óôïé÷åßá ôïõ Õðõñãåßïõ Åîùôåñéêþí ôçò ÅëëÜäáò) ï Ìçôñïðïëßôçò Íéêïðüëåò-Êïëïíßáò Ðïëýêáñðïò äéáìáñôýñåôáé óôï Ïéêïõìåíéêü Ðáôñéáñ÷åßï üôé ëüãù ôùí Ôïõñêéêþí ðéÝóåùí ïé ×ñéóôéáíïß êáôÜ ÷éëéÜäåò áëëáîïðéóôïýí ãéá íá ãëõôþóïõí (ðåñéï÷Ýò Óáìøïýíôáò, ÔïêÜôçò). Ï Ìçôñïðïëßôçò Áìéóóïý ÊáñáâáããÝëçò (ÌáêåäïíïìÜ÷ïò) ôï 1925 ðëçñïöïñåß ôï Õðïõñãåßï Åîùôåñéêþí üôé óôçí Óéíþðç ôï 1918 ïé êÜôïéêïé äýï ÷ùñéþí ãéá íá ãëõôþóïõí ôéò óöáãÝò áëëáîïðßóôçóáí. Ôï 1925 ç ÌéêôÞ ÅðéôñïðÞ áíôáëëáãÞò ðëçèõóìþí (¸ëëçíåò-Ôïýñêïé) áñíÞèçêå ó� áõôïýò ôïõò êáôïßêïõò ôùí äýï ÷ùñéþí íá Ýëèïõí óôçí ÅëëÜäá, äéüôé åããñÜöçóáí ðëÝïí óáí Ôïýñêïé (áñéèìüò åããñÜöïõ 2.153). Ôï 1928 õðÞñ÷áí êáôáããåëßåò ðñïò ôï Åëëçíéêü Õðïõñãåßï Åîùôåñéêþí ðùò óôçí ðåñéï÷Þ Ìáôóïýêáò åîéóëáìßæïõí ôïõò êáôïßêïõò ìå ôç âßá. Ôï 1948-49 ïé Êñõðôï÷ñéóôéáíïß ôïõ Ðüíôïõ ìÝóù ôïõ Ïéêïõìåíéêïý Ðáôñéáñ÷åßïõ æçôïýí íá Ýëèïõí óôçí ÅëëÜäá. ÕðÜñ÷åé üìùò ç ÅëëçíïôïõñêéêÞ öéëßá êáé ôï Åëëçíéêü êñÜôïò äåí êÜíåé ôï áßôçìÜ ôïõò áðïäåêôü. Ôï 1922-23 ïé Êñõðôï÷ñéóôéáíïß ôïõ Ðüíôïõ äåí Þëèáí óôçí ÅëëÜäá. Ôï åìðüäéï Þôáí üôé åß÷áí ôáõôüôçôåò ìå ÔïõñêéêÜ ïíüìáôá êáé åß÷áí ÔïõñêéêÞ êáôáãùãÞ. Ôï 1914-1919 óôï âéëáÝôé Ôñáðåæïýíôïò êáôïéêïýóáí: - ¸ëëçíåò ïñèüäïîïé 404.633 - Ìåóï÷áëäçíïß 80.000 - Êüë÷ïé (Ìéããñåëïß) 50.000 - ÓÜííïé 180.000 - Ëáæïß 120.000 - ÊéñêÜóéïé, Áððáúôåò, Áâáóãïß 79.000 - Ôïýñêïé-ïèùìáíïß 188.521 - Éïõäáßïé 400 - ÁñìÝíéïé 46.000 - Áèßããáíïé 5.000 - Ãåùñãéáíïß 55.000 Óýíïëïí 1.208.554 Óôï èÝìá ÓåâÜóôåéáò: - ¸ëëçíåò ×ñéóôéáíïß 180.000 - Êüë÷ïé (Ìéããñåëïß) 60.000 - Åñõèñßíïé (Êéæßë-ÌðÜò) 279.834 - Ãéïõñïýêïé (Ðáöëáãüíåò, ×Üëõâåò) 86.000 - ÁöóÜñïé (ºóáõñïé-Êáððáäüêåò) 25.000 - ÊéñêÜóéïé, Áððáúôåò, Áâáóãïß 70.000 - Êüðôåò 400 - ÁñìÝíéïé 170.433 - Éïõäáßïé 400 - Ôñïêìçíïß 15.000 - ÔÜôáñïé 20.000 - Ôïýñêïé-ïèùìáíïß 150.433 Óýíïëïí 1.057.500 Óôï âéëáÝôé Áãêýñáò: - ¸ëëçíåò ×ñéóôéáíïß ?07.798 - Åñõèñßíïé (Êéæßë-ÌðÜò) 55.000 - Ãéïõñïýêïé 85.000 - ÁöóÞñïé 100.000 - Ãáëëïãñáéêïß 150.000 - Äåñâßóåò 49.500 - Ôñïêìçíïß 100.000 - ÁñìÝíéïé 94.200 - Éïõäáßïé 478 - Áèßããáíïé 2.424 - Åõñùðáßïé 400 - Ôïýñêïé-ïèùìáíïß 129.732 Óýíïëïí 874.532 Óôï âéëáÝôé ÊáóôáìïíÞò: - ¸ëëçíåò ïñèüäïîïé 134.919 - Ãéïõñïýêïé (Ðáöëáãüíåò, ×Üëõâåò, Ëýêéïé) 240.503 - ÓÜííïé (ÔóÜííïé) 123.955 - Êüë÷ïé (Ìéããñåëïß) 100.510 - ÊéñêÜóéïé, Áððáúôåò, Áâáóãïß 40.000 - Ôïýñêïé-ïèùìáíïß 112.915 - ÁñìÝíéïé 2.647 - Âéèõíïß 260.000 - Êüðôåò 2.079 - Áèßããáíïé 1.875 - Éïõäáßïé 1.300 Óýíïëïí 960.709 Óôçí åõñýôåñç ðåñéï÷Þ ôïõ Ðüíôïõ êáôïéêïýóáí 4.101.286, áðü ôïõò ïðïßïõò ïé 827.350 Þóáí ¸ëëçíåò ×ñéóôéáíïß, ïé 581.601 Þóáí Ôïýñêïé êáé ïèùìáíïß, ïé 233.270 ÁñìÝíéïé ×ñéóôéáíïß, ÔÜôáñïé êáé ÊéñêÜóéïé ìÝôïéêïé, 209.000 Áèßããáíïé, 9.299 Éïõäáßïé, 2.578 Åõñùðáßïé, 400 ëïéðÝò åèíüôçôåò, 2.237.788 Ìïõóïõëìáíïöáíåßò Þ Ôïõñêïöáíåßò. Ôï 1876 óýìöùíá ìå ôçí ìåëÝôç ôïõ ¸ëëçíá ðñïîÝíïõ óôçí Ôñáðåæïýíôá (ðïõ óôÝëíåé óôïí Õðïõñãü Åîùôåñéêþí Êïíôüóôáõëï) êáé óýìöùíá ìå åõñùðáúêÝò óôáôéóôéêÝò óôïí Ðüíôï êáôïéêïýóáí: á) ÈñçóêåõôéêÜ - ÌïõóïõëìÜíïé 470.000 - ×ñéóôéáíïß 190.000 - Ãñçãïñéáíïß ÁñìÝíéïé 40.000 - Êáèïëéêïß ÁñìÝíéïé 20.000 - Äéáìáñôõñüìåíïé 1.000 - ÊéñêÜóéïé 47.000 Óýíïëï: 768.000 â) ÃëùóóéêÜ - Ôïõñêüöùíïé 390.000 - Åëëçíüöùíïé 230.000 - Ëáæïß 30.000 - ÁñìÝíéïé 50.000 - Êïýñäïé 21.000 - ÊéñêÜóéïé 47.000 Óýíïëï: 768.000 ã) ÅèíïëïãéêÜ - Ôïýñêïé-ïèùìáíïß 192.000 - ¸ëëçíåò 330.000 - ÁñìÝíéïé 50.000 - Êïýñäïé 21.000 - Ôñïêìçíïß � - Ôóåêìßäåò 48.000 - ÊéñêÜóéïé 47.000 - Ôóåðßäåò 30.000 - Ëáæïß-ÁäåëÜäåò 50.000 Óýíïëïí 768.000 Ôï 1914 åðßóçìç óôáôéóôéêÞ (Ïéêïõìåíéêïý Ðáôñéáñ÷åßïõ) Ýëåãå: - ¸ëëçíåò ×ñéóôéáíïß 696.495 - Ìùáìåèáíïß 1.006.000 - ÁñìÝíéïé 60.000 - Äéáìáñôõñüìåíïé 5.000 Èñçóêåõôéêü óýíïëï: 1.767.495 - ¸ëëçíåò 925.000 - Ôïýñêïé 773.000 - ÁñìÝíéïé 60.000 - Åõñùðáßïé 5.000 Åèíéêü óýíïëï: 1.767.000 Óýìöùíá ìå ôï Ïéêïõìåíéêü Ðáôñéáñ÷åßï, åêôüò áðü ôïõò 696.495 ×ñéóôéáíïýò Ïñèüäïîïõò õðÞñ÷áí 43.000 Êñõðôï÷ñéóôéáíïß êáé 190.000 Ìùáìåèáíïß. Óôï óõíÝäñéï ÅéñÞíçò óôï Ðáñßóé, ïé Ôïýñêïé êáèüñéæáí åããñÜöùò ðùò ïé ¸ëëçíåò êÜôïéêïé ôïõ Ðüíôïõ Þóáí ìüíï 200.000. ÁëëÜ üôáí ï Íåüôïõñêïò ÊéáìÞë ÌðÝçò, Þôáí ðñùèõðïõñãüò åßäå íá åêëÝãïíôáé 7 ¸ëëçíåò âïõëåõôÝò (100.000 Ôïýñêïé ãéá êÜèå âïõëåõôÞ). Áñãüôåñá üìùò, ïé Ôïýñêïé èÝëïíôáò íá äéêáéïëïãÞóïõí ôçí ãåíïêôïíßá ðïõ åß÷áí åöáñìüóåé óôïõò ¸ëëçíåò, ìåßùíáí ôïí áñéèìü þóôå ìÝ÷ñé óÞìåñá äåí áíáãíùñßæåôáé ç ãåíïêôïíßá (ìÝ÷ñé ôçí çìåñïìçíßá ãñáöåßò ôïõ ðáñüíôïò Üñèñïõ). ÓÞìåñá óôïí Ðüíôï, õðÜñ÷ïõí ïé Åëëçíüöùíåò ðåñéï÷Ýò Ôüííáò, Ìáôóïýêáò, ¼öñõïò. ÐëÞñç óôïé÷åßá äåí õðÜñ÷ïõí, áëëÜ ìå ìÝôñéïõò õðïëïãéóìïýò ïé Åëëçíüöùíïé êáé ïé Ôïõñêüöùíïé ÌïõóïõëìÜíïé Êñõðôï÷ñéóôéáíïß, ðïõ Ý÷ïõí åëëçíéêÞ óõíåßäçóç, óôïí Ðüíôï, õðåñâáßíïõí ôï 1.000.000. ¸÷ïõí ôá ÅëëçíéêÜ Þèç êáé Ýèéìá, ôçí åëëçíéêÞ ëáúêÞ ðáñÜäïóç, ôïí åëëçíéêü ðïëéôéóìü êáé êïõëôïýñá, êáèçìåñéíÜ óôçí ðëåéïøçößá ôïõò ÷ñçóéìïðïéïýí ôçí ðïíôéáêÞ íôïðéïëáëéÜ, Ý÷ïõí ôçí ßäéá ìïõóéêÞ, ôïí ÷ïñü êáé ôá ßäéá ôñáãïýäéá ìå ôïõò áäåëöïýò ôïõò ðïõ êáôïéêïýí óôçí ÅëëÜäá êáé óôçí ðñþçí ÓïâéåôéêÞ ¸íùóç. Óôïí Ðüíôï, üðïõ ç Ôüííá åßíáé ç áñ÷áßá Èïáíßá, ôï Éóêåíôåñëß, ôï Áëåîáíäñéíü, ç Óáìøïýíôá , ç Áìéóüò, óôá ÷ùñéÜ üðïõ êáôïéêïýí ïé Åëëçíüöùíïé ÌïõóïõëìÜíïé, áìéãþò ÷ùñßò ðñïóìßîåéò ì� Üëëïõò ðëçèõóìïýò, óôéò ðåñéï÷Ýò Ìáôóïýêáò êáé ¼öñõò êáôÜ ôçí ðïëéôéóìéêÞ ãåíïêôïíßá, áëëÜ÷ôçêáí üëá ôá ÅëëçíéêÜ ïíüìáôá ôùí ÷ùñéþí êáé ðåñéï÷þí, êáôÝóôñåøáí ôéò åêêëçóßåò áí êáé Þóáí åñåéðùìÝíåò êáé åîáöÜíéóáí êÜèå ôé ðïõ èõìßæåé Åëëçíéêü óôïé÷åßï. 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(«¸ëëçíïé åßìáóôå, ïýôå ÷ñéóôéáíïß ïýôå ìïõóïõëìÜíïé»). Ôï 1923 üôáí êáôÝöõãå óôçí ÅëëÜäá ï Áíôéêåìáëéêüò ÍôåìÜë ÍïõæéÝ (óýìâïõëïò ôïõ ÓïõëôÜíïõ), ìÝóá áðü 47 óåëßäåò êáôáããÝëëåé ôçí ãåíïêôïíßá ðïõ åöÜñìïóáí ïé Íåüôïõñêïé óôïí Åëëçíéóìü ôçò Ì. Áóßáò. Ï ÌïõóôáöÜ ÊåìÜë ìå ôïõò ÔóÝôåò ôïõ áðü ôïí ÖåâñïõÜñéï ìÝ÷ñé ôïí Áýãïõóôï ðñïÝâç óå óöáãÝò êáé åêôïðßóåéò. Ìüíï óôçí ðåñéï÷Þ ôçò ÌðÜöñáò 6.000 ×ñéóôéáíïß êÜçêáí ìÝóá óôéò åêêëçóßåò óå ìßá íý÷ôá. 1.280 åðßóçìïé-ðñüêñéôïé óôïí Ðüíôï èáíáôþèçêáí. Ç Ýêèåóç ôïõ ÍôåìÜë ÍïõæéÝ (47 óåëßäåò) åõñßóêåôáé áñá÷íéáóìÝíç êáé óêïíéóìÝíç ó� Ýíá óõñôÜñé ìéáò Äçìüóéáò ÅëëçíéêÞò õðçñåóßáò. Ç ÅëëÜäá èÝëåé íá åöáñìüóåé ìéá åðéèåôéêÞ åîùôåñéêÞ ðïëéôéêÞ, ç Ôïõñêßá öùíÜæåé ãéá ôá áíèñþðéíá äéêáéþìáôá ôùí ÌïõóïõëìÜíùí ôçò ÅëëçíéêÞò ÈñÜêçò êáé ãéá ôá äéêáéþìáôá áõôïäéáèÝóåùò ôùí ôïõñêïêõðñßùí, åìåßò üìùò áêüìá îå÷íïýìå êáé ôçí ýðáñîç ôùí óêëáâùìÝíùí êáé îå÷áóìÝíùí áäåëöþí ìáò óôçí Ôïõñêßá. 1.500.000 Åëëçíüöùíïé êáé Ôïõñêüöùíïé ÌïõóïõëìÜíïé êáé Êñõðôï÷ñéóôéáíïß ðñïóìÝíïõí Ýíá ÷áìüãåëï áðü ôçí ÌÜíá ÅëëÜäá êáé ëßãï åíäéáöÝñïí.
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Post by albanesehoney on Nov 30, 2007 21:29:13 GMT -5
The conclusions are you mixed with Greeks early on... and that Alex the great and his men had spread their sperm all over the known world back then. So, why do Greeks, like Prof Poulianos, rail against the genetic tests that connected Greeks to Sub Saharan and E African males? With this kind of evidence, I think Greeks would embrace these results as it clearly proves that a % of your Greek males are descendants of African mothers and clearly, a Greek father. ;D
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Post by kartadolofonos on Nov 30, 2007 21:52:34 GMT -5
That means:
The Albanian males descendants of African fathers and clearly an Albanian mothers who was an African s-l-u-t who make a lot of albinoafricano bast....
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Post by albanesehoney on Nov 30, 2007 22:25:58 GMT -5
That means: The Albanian males descendants of African fathers and clearly an Albanian mothers who was an African s-l-u-t who make a lot of albinoafricano bast.... Clearly katra, then what you claim completely destroys and disproves all mumbo jumbo theories by Poulianos that the modern greeks's could have ever had a genetic connection to alexander the great and his macedonians, or even any of those ancient Pelasgians or even Illyrians and Dorians, Mycenaeans, Achaeans, Athenians, Thessallians, Epirotes, Thracians, Ionians, Trojans, Dardanians, etc etc ? I guess Karta, you do a swell job of shooting yourself and Poulianos's theories about Greek history. ;D We knew all along Greeks were not the Illyrians or Pelasgians and especially Trojans and Olympias/Phillip/Alexander/Hector/Paris/Helen/Agamemnon/Achilles were all genetically connected to and ancestors of Albanians.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Nov 30, 2007 23:30:35 GMT -5
you know only propaganda and bullnuts ;D
Greek name : Olympias/Phillip/Alexander/Hector/Paris/Helen/Agamemnon/ Achilles.
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Albanian name ; Ali, Fatmire, Bajram, Enver,Murat etc......
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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 1, 2007 0:11:42 GMT -5
oh it is very pity you as ancestor of the palestine cant read pelasgian ,,yadd yadda
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 1, 2007 0:19:58 GMT -5
That's a modern adaptation-mishmash of the Aramaic and creole language the descendants of Alexander's generals fused with their subject people's language and their own. so, of course i don't speak your melting pot soup of all languages from India to Morroco and down to Kenya. I only speak the original Macedonian barbarian language Alexander spoke to his Macedon generals.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 1, 2007 0:48:17 GMT -5
ÅÓÔÉ ÌÅÍ ÏÕÍ ÅËËÁÓ ÊÁÉ Ç ÌÁÊÅÄÏÍÉÁ
ESTI MEN OYN ELLAS KAI H MAKEDONIA
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 1, 2007 1:24:46 GMT -5
::)Wrong again, my greek shar, Genetics and migrations and linguists like to differ with your questionable 'claim'. www3.isrl.uiuc.edu/~junwang4/langev/localcopy/pdf/piazza06evolang.pdf. DIFFUSION OF GENES AND LANGUAGESIN HUMAN EVOLUTIONALBERTO PIAZZADipartimento di Genetica, Biologia e Biochimica,Università di Torino,via Santena 19, 10126 Torino, Italyalberto.piazza@unito.itLUIGI CAVALLI SFORZADepartment of Genetics,Stanford University,Stanford, CA 94305,USAcavalli@stanford.eduIn a study by Cavalli-Sforza et al. (1988), the spread of anatomically modernman was reconstructed on the basis of genetic and linguistic pieces of evidence:the main conclusion was that these two approaches reflect a common underlyinghistory, the history of our past still frozen in the genes of modern populations. From a linguistic distance matrix whoseelements are the fraction of words with the same lexical root for any pair oflanguages and its transformation to make the matrix elements proportional totime of differentiation, we were able to reconstruct a linguistic tree. The root ofthe tree separates Albanians from the others, with a reproducibility rate (theerror in reconstructing the tree) of 71 percent. The next oldest branch isArmenian. The simplest interpretation is that the language of the first migrant Anatolian farmers survives today in two direct descendants, Albanian and Armenian, which diverged from the oldest pre-Indo-European languages indifferent directions but remained relatively close to the point of origin. If we give to the first split the time depth of the beginning of the expansionof the pre-Indo-European Anatolian farmers, about 9,000 years ago, we can then calculate that the origin of the European branch dates to about 6,000 years ago......
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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 1, 2007 1:30:04 GMT -5
Albanian Language did not play a role in the world the have greek,l turkish and slavic loanwords
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Post by ahristos on Dec 1, 2007 1:30:29 GMT -5
give those numbers in english to learn it yenissary who is ====== ? educated? karta do it
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 1, 2007 1:35:18 GMT -5
Albanian Language did not play a role in the world the have greek,l turkish and slavic loanwords Karta, if you don't understand this point, " From a linguistic distance matrix whose elements are the fraction of words with the same lexical root for any pair oflanguages and its transformation to make the matrix elements proportional totime of differentiation, we were able to reconstruct a linguistic tree . The root ofthe tree separates Albanians from the others, with a reproducibility rate (theerror in reconstructing the tree) of 71 percent."Then, let the more intellectually inclined take over. Because you are doing serious damage to all your claims and credible representative of Greek claims.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 1, 2007 1:43:46 GMT -5
You dont get the point The Greek language is one of the best ducumented languages in the World!!! understand !!!Albanian language
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Post by ahristos on Dec 1, 2007 1:56:27 GMT -5
even today turks provokes us in Aegean sea few milles from greek islands next of Rhodes are large oil feelds southern of island nothink to do with turkeys frontiers but turks provokes they dont wond that greece pumps oil because? ? we have friendship ha ha... so they never learn what u throw up drops down and some times in ur head.. so turks away from greek waters ... greek gov has keep secrit pre- elections happenings now relist it we know u are mongolian mongsters.. i have prefer any other nation next to greece even china but not turks to turks have stay osmans megalomania =complex now they wond to go to iraq to kill few kurds ha ha
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 1, 2007 2:23:27 GMT -5
' The Greek language is one of the best ducumented languages in the World!!! ' Do you understand even an ounce of English? Isn't some of English descendant from Greek? lolol!!! "Best documented" and "Oldest rooted, with a 71% chance of repeating the test in morphology of the Albanian Language" have two very different meanings. lol Get with the program Karta.
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