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Post by ahristos on Dec 1, 2007 10:26:25 GMT -5
even apocalypse is in greek tongue ore muslem suni Albanian dont you see it turks have make you muslem for a loaf of bred muslems are asians or africans so you are caucasian and not illirian illirians are dalmatians you are from mare fare by DNA
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Post by ahristos on Dec 1, 2007 12:39:32 GMT -5
the news of bbc says that all big asker=stratos of turkey is running in iraq behind 60 kurds guerillas ha ha the big army of turks helicopters commandos are lucking for a mosqito in desert ha ha salaries of generals goes and fuell spare parts money para para fukaras turks the kings of mysery
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Post by ahristos on Dec 1, 2007 14:06:37 GMT -5
to grekos ke to romeos ine patenta tis ekklisias=papadon pu aposkopuse to 330 sto xehasma ton Ellinistikon hronon ke tis idololatrias... idios meta tin sinodo tis nikeas.. omos afti i gafa ekane tus Ellines lene pos ine Romei opos o latinos iustinianos ti xeftyla itan vre fili mu na milas Ellinika ke na nomizis pos ise Romeos=latinos emena me prosvali na me lene Romeo- romio i latinogeni greko ime Ellin terma asta ta tataromogolia ta turkonia na allazun onomata tin mia to epezan seljuki tin alli osmanides ke simera turki tetii ine afti emis imastan ke imaste Ellines terma simiosis allos o theulis ke alli i papades pu ta 12 vagelia ta kamun 24 gia yperories eispraxis
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Dec 1, 2007 18:15:56 GMT -5
Ok look. There are NO pure races unless we go to some remote jungle in unfoundland. Turks came and MIXED yes mixed with the anatolians that were pre Turkish, Roman and Greek. hos anatolians also mixed with Romans and Greeks. Turkey is a mixed country. So what? btw those traditions u talk of as Greek are also Persian, arabic and kurdish too... who started what we dont know. What I DO KNOW is that we r very similar so stop the pis.s.ing contest and get over it. I personally know Bulgarian and Greeks (ethnically) along with Laz and Kurd who feel waaaaaaay more Turk than I do. Why is that so hard for u to comprehend? I agree that no nation in the world has some pure blood like some wish to see here. What some try to promote is the notion that the Seljuk Turks conquered Anatolia were originally some Mongoloid looking savages. Thus, since Turks of Turkey do not look Mongoloids now, then they must be the Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, and other Anatolian peoples who are Turkified by their Seljuks and the Ottoman rules. However, as the DNA studies prove, Turkey's current population is more related to the Cumans of the 13th Century compared to the populations of Central Asia such as Kirghiz or Kazakh. Similarly, DNAs of the ancient people found in Altai region are related to the modern Turks of Turkey rather than the peoples currently living there. What some people can not seem to grasp is the fact that Turks evolved from the Saka and the Hun tribes who used to live in the vast Eurasian steppes stretching from Hungary to Mongolia before conquering Anatolia, Caucasus, Iran, Arabia, and the Balkans. Good point. My Bf's mums live in maid is from khazakistan and she doesnt look too diff from Turks in Turkey. Also a lot of people in Turkey have slanted eyes. Yet we cant ignore the fact that, Turks share huge similarities with Greeks and a great number of Turks descend from Greek and >Turk mixed roots. I dont understand also why anything is wrong with looking mongolian, I mean havişng seen the Turks exhibition at the Royal Academy of Arts in London, I have to assume from there artwork that a massive majority of them did look very asian, distant from how we look today. The fact the Ottoman pashas looked different was because they were of mixed blood after a few generations.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 1, 2007 19:57:50 GMT -5
Not necessarily, the "asian features" was quite popular in the middle east. Look at this very famous Arab Caliph: and look at this Persian depiction of Muhammed's ascent to heaven:
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Post by diurpaneus on Dec 2, 2007 4:08:53 GMT -5
Is this guy really a freemason or is he just trying to look like one?
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Post by greekslav on Dec 2, 2007 10:03:42 GMT -5
My friend, Greeks, Armenians and Kurds know exactly who the Turks are and who they are not. No question about it.
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Post by ahristos on Dec 2, 2007 13:26:36 GMT -5
waw the gypsysation of albania you mean opa nation of turkalbanians and gypsies mare fare
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Post by depletedreasons on Dec 2, 2007 15:40:25 GMT -5
My friend, Greeks, Armenians and Kurds know exactly who the Turks are and who they are not. No question about it. I exactly do not think so.
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Post by depletedreasons on Dec 2, 2007 15:47:05 GMT -5
I agree that no nation in the world has some pure blood like some wish to see here. What some try to promote is the notion that the Seljuk Turks conquered Anatolia were originally some Mongoloid looking savages. Thus, since Turks of Turkey do not look Mongoloids now, then they must be the Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, and other Anatolian peoples who are Turkified by their Seljuks and the Ottoman rules. However, as the DNA studies prove, Turkey's current population is more related to the Cumans of the 13th Century compared to the populations of Central Asia such as Kirghiz or Kazakh. Similarly, DNAs of the ancient people found in Altai region are related to the modern Turks of Turkey rather than the peoples currently living there. What some people can not seem to grasp is the fact that Turks evolved from the Saka and the Hun tribes who used to live in the vast Eurasian steppes stretching from Hungary to Mongolia before conquering Anatolia, Caucasus, Iran, Arabia, and the Balkans. Good point. My Bf's mums live in maid is from khazakistan and she doesnt look too diff from Turks in Turkey. Also a lot of people in Turkey have slanted eyes. Yet we cant ignore the fact that, Turks share huge similarities with Greeks and a great number of Turks descend from Greek and >Turk mixed roots. I dont understand also why anything is wrong with looking mongolian, I mean havişng seen the Turks exhibition at the Royal Academy of Arts in London, I have to assume from there artwork that a massive majority of them did look very asian, distant from how we look today. The fact the Ottoman pashas looked different was because they were of mixed blood after a few generations. There is nothing wrong about being Mongolian. Some still think that having some specific roots is something really special. Here is Ersan Ilyasova whose family emigrated from Uzbekistan to Turkey: By the way Desire, as Toskaliku711 said drawing Asian features is a form of art existing in most Asian countries including Iran.
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Post by hellboy87 on Dec 3, 2007 11:51:39 GMT -5
most Asian countries??? Nonsense!
If you look at Indian paintings,they never painted people looking like Mongols.
Also,DNA studies did not say Turks of Turkey are related to Cumans!
Turks of Turkey are of indigenous Anatolian stock.Those who say they are Turk descend in Turkey,their ancestor were either speaking dialects of Greek,Armenian,Kurdish,Armenian or someother Anatolian language or descend from many Anatolian peoples.
Only a minority of them descend from the original Turks who settled in Anatolia.
As for Central Asians,Cenral Asians did not look Mongol until the Turks came there.Many Central Asians looked mixed(middle eastern+european),though some parts looked more European,some more Middle Eastern. Then the Turkics came in in large numbers and mixed with lots of them.
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Post by depletedreasons on Dec 3, 2007 12:32:06 GMT -5
Etruscan findings from Italy: We chose the Basques as representative of western Europe, the Turks as representative of the eastern Mediterranean region, Karelians and Volga Finns as representative of northeastern Europe, and Egyptians and Algerians as representative of North Africa.
In particular, the Turkish component in their gene pool appears three times as large as in the other populations. These admixture estimates are not to be taken at their face value, for numerous assumptions underlie their estimation. Here they only serve to show that, with respect to modern Italian gene pools, the Etruscan one contains an excess of haplotypes suggesting evolutionary ties with the populations of the southern and eastern Mediterranean shores.
On the contrary, the similarity between the Etruscan and Turkish gene pools may indeed reflect some degree of gene flow. Commercial exchanges are documented between the Etruscan harbours and Asia Minor (Tykot 1994) and trading is often accompanied by interbreeding, ultimately leading to detectable levels of genetic affinity (see Relethford and Crawford 1995). Thus, the present study suggests that gene flow from the eastern (and possibly southern) Mediterranean shores, not necessarily from Lydia as proposed by Herodotus, left a mark in the Etruscan gene pool, above and beyond what is observed in contemporary Italy. www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1181945One from Mongolia: Skeletons from the most recent graves also contained DNA sequences similar to those in people from present-day Turkey. This supports other studies indicating that Turkish tribes originated at least in part in Mongolia at the end of the Xiongnu period. www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/07_03/ancient.shtmlOne from Hungary:The Cumanians were originally Asian pastoral nomads who in the 13th century migrated to Hungary. We have examined mitochondrial DNA from members of the earliest Cumanian population in Hungary from two archeologically well-documented excavations and from 74 modern Hungarians from different rural locations in Hungary.
Haplogroups were defined based on HVS I sequences and examinations of haplogroup-associated polymorphic sites of the protein coding region and of HVS II. To exclude contamination, some ancient DNA samples were cloned. A database was created from previously published mtDNA HVS I sequences (representing 2,615 individuals from different Asian and European populations) and 74 modem Hungarian sequences from the present study. This database was used to determine the relationships between the ancient Cumanians, modern Hungarians, and Eurasian populations and to estimate the genetic distances between these populations.
We attempted to deduce the genetic trace of the migration of Cumanians. This study is the first ancient DNA characterization of an eastern pastoral nomad population that migrated into Europe. The results indicate that, while still possessing a Central Asian steppe culture, the Cumanians received a large admixture of maternal genes from more westerly populations before arriving in Hungary. A similar dilution of genetic, but not cultural, factors may have accompanied the settlement of other Asian nomads in Europe.www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16596944&query_hl=10&itool=pubmed_docsum One from Chuvashia: The Chuvash are believed to have originated from Turkic-Altaic Bulgar tribes who migrated in the 4th century A.D. from Central Asia together with the Huns to the western region of the Volga River. The ancestors of the Chuvash were also found as seminomadic tribes of ancient Bulgars who lived in the North Caucasus steppes in the 5th to 8th centuries. In the 7th to 8th centuries a portion of the Bulgars left for the Balkans, while another subdivision moved to the mid-Volga region and made up the ethnic base of the Chuvash and Kazan Tatars.
HLA alleles have been determined for the first time in individuals from the Chuvashian population by DNA typing and sequencing. HLA-A, -B, -DR, and -DQ allele frequencies and extended haplotypes have also been determined, and the results compared to those for Central Europeans, Siberians and other Asians, Caucasians, Middle Easterners, and Mediterranean peoples. Genetic distances, neighbor-joining dendrograms, and correspondence analysis have been performed. Present-day Chuvash speak an Altaic-Turkic language and are genetically related to Caucasians (Georgians), Mediterraneans, and Middle Easterners, and not only to Central or Northern Europeans; Chuvash contain little indications of Central Asian-Altaic gene flow. Thus, present-day Chuvash who speak an Altaic-Turkic language are probably more closely related to ancient Mesopotamian-Hittites and northern European populations than to central Asia-Altaic people.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3659/is_200306/ai_n9288054Perhaps, some might not like it, but the ancestors of the Turks were most probably some people who emigrated from Western parts of Eurasia to Central Asia. In fact, according to the Chinese annals, the Turks emigrated from West Sea region to Altai (West Sea could be Black Sea, Khazar Sea or Mediterranean Sea). ;D ;D ;D
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Post by ahristos on Dec 3, 2007 12:42:07 GMT -5
u refuse your race gardash so you arent turk yenisaries are non turks =stolens childrens
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Post by ahristos on Dec 3, 2007 12:43:49 GMT -5
a real turk is filthly and thief and money lover= corrupted
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Post by depletedreasons on Dec 3, 2007 13:20:06 GMT -5
I am a Karachay-Balkar, and Karachay-Balkars are the Turks you hate so much. ;D
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Post by ahristos on Dec 3, 2007 13:40:39 GMT -5
i dont hate....i dislike turks past you destroy and kill for nothink u liers thiefs killers now u wond to go to eu para para this 4 u are interesting money
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Post by depletedreasons on Dec 3, 2007 14:17:43 GMT -5
You are full of hatred man, you have to get rid off such mentality.
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Post by ahristos on Dec 4, 2007 12:25:10 GMT -5
so get out from kibris and let them alone to get solution of them (problem) if there is any problem? in colonials days under uk no problems and after 1960 problems why? gardash ur for minist is in w thrace and doors are open to see turkish minorities prosperity but even today 16 turkish jets have broke greek air space 8 carreeng misales is this ur friend ship ha ha
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Post by ahristos on Dec 4, 2007 23:42:23 GMT -5
kurds against well armed turks in frontiers of iraq turks try to destabilise iraqi gov? or what u have to know that area is flamable the only solution is to legalise kurds and give them autonomus status finito
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 4, 2007 23:53:21 GMT -5
The Iraqi and Iranian officials have voiced their concerns to Turkey. This is a concern in the region, hope this doesn't escalate into a major conflict in the region. Greece has mobilized massive army units in Thrace in case it spill over to that side ?
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