Greece starts at Oricus most ancient is Epirus

[Kanaris]

So what the Spartans conquered Athens too.... this has nothing to do with you..... you can read about it in history books... and drool.... but thats about the only involvement you guys had....

[kartadolofonos]

any logic behind ur statement ? if no then ur statement is a piece of crap bull....

Greek tribe of Hellas:

Aeolians, Dorians, Achaeans and Ionians.

[glow=black,2,300]http://www.timelessmyths.com/classical/family2a.html[/glow]

[Teuta1975]

"Later on, beginning from the time of the Trojan war, the Greeks had taken away from the earlier inhabitants much of the interior country also, and indeed had increased in power to such an extent that they called this part of Italy, together with Sicily, Magna Graecia. But today all parts of it, except Taras,9 Rhegium, and Neapolis, have become completely barbarized,10 and some parts have been taken and are held by the Leucani and the Brettii, and others by the Campani--that is",

"Barbarized," in the sense of "non-Greek" (cp. 5. 4. 4 and 5. 4. 7).


[2] Poseidonius is right in censuring the historians for these assertions, and his conjecture is not a bad one, that the Cimbri, being a piratical and wandering folk, made an expedition even as far as the region of Lake Maeotis, and that also the “Cimmerian” Bosporus3 was named after them, being equivalent to “Cimbrian,” the Greeks naming the Cimbri “Cimmerii.” And he goes off to say that in earlier times the Boii dwelt in the Hercynian Forest, and that the Cimbri made a sally against this place, but on being repulsed by the Boii, went down to the Ister and the country of the Scordiscan Galatae,4 then to the country of the Teuristae5 and Taurisci (these, too, Galatae). The Galatae lived between the Ister (Danube) and Morava Rivers on the confines of Illyria.

The cities along the side that forms the Strait are, first, Messene, and then Tauromenium, Catana, and Syracuse; but those that were between Catana and Syracuse have disappeared--Naxus18 and Megara;19 and on this coast are the outlets of the Symaethus and all rivers that flow down from Aetna and have good harbors at their mouths; and here too is the promontory of Xiphonia. According to Ephorus these were the earliest Greek cities to be founded in Sicily, that is, in the tenth generation after the Trojan war; for before that time men were so afraid of the bands of Tyrrhenian pirates and the savagery of the barbarians in this region that they would not so much as sail thither for trafficking; but though Theocles, the Athenian, borne out of his course by the winds to Sicily, clearly perceived both the weakness of the peoples and the excellence of the soil, yet, when he went back, he could not persuade the Athenians, and hence took as partners a considerable number of Euboean Chalcidians and some Ionians and also some Dorians (most of whom were Megarians) and made the voyage; so the Chalcidians founded Naxus, whereas the Dorians founded Megara, which in earlier times had been called Hybla. The cities no longer exist, it is true, but the name of Hybla still endures, because of the excellence of the Hyblaean honey.

....So the plotters, on learning that the undertaking had been betrayed, held back, and the Lacedaemonians persuaded them, through the influence of their fathers, to go forth and found a colony, and if the place they took possession of sufficed them, to stay there, but if not, to come on back and divide among themselves the fifth part of Messenia. And they, thus sent forth, found the Achaeans at war with the barbarians, took part in their perils, and founded Taras.

[4] At one time the Tarantini were exceedingly powerful, that is, when they enjoyed a democratic government; for they not only had acquired the largest fleet of all peoples in that part of the world but were wont to send forth an army of thirty thousand infantry, three thousand cavalry, and one thousand commanders of cavalry. Moreover, the Pythagorean philosophy was embraced by them, but especially by Archytas,19 who presided over the city for a considerable time. But later, because of their prosperity, luxury prevailed to such an extent that the public festivals celebrated among them every year were more in number than the days of the year; and in consequence of this they also were poorly governed. One evidence of their bad policies is the fact that they employed foreign generals; for they sent for Alexander20 the Molossian to lead them in their war against the Messapians and Leucanians, and, still before that, for Archidamus,21 the son of Agesilaüs, and, later on, for Cleonymus,22 and Agathocles,23 and then for Pyrrhus,24 at the time when they formed a league with him against the Romans. And yet even to those whom they called in they could not yield a ready obedience, and would set them at enmity. At all events, it was out of enmity that Alexander tried to transfer to Thurian territory the general festival assembly of all Greek peoples in that part of the world--the assembly which was wont to meet at Heracleia in Tarantine territory, and that he began to urge that a place for the meetings be fortified on the Acalandrus River. Furthermore, it is said that the unhappy end which befell him25 was the result of their ingratitude. Again, about the time of the wars with Hannibal, they were deprived of their freedom, although later they received a colony of Romans, and are now living at peace and better than before. In their war against the Messapians for the possession of Heracleia, they had the co-operation of the king of the Daunians and the king of the Peucetians.

[8] The voyage from Brentesium to the opposite mainland is made either to the Ceraunian Mountains and those parts of the seaboard of Epeirus and of Greece which come next to them, or else to Epidamnus; the latter is longer than the former, for it is one thousand eight hundred stadia.50 And yet the latter is the usual route, because the city has a good position with reference both to the tribes of the Illyrians and to those of the Macedonians. As one sails from Brentesium along the Adriatic seaboard, one comes to the city of Egnatia, which is the common stopping-place for people who are travelling either by sea or land to Barium;51 and the voyage is made with the south wind. The country of the Peucetii extends only thus far52 on the sea, but in the interior as far as Silvium.53 All of it is rugged and mountainous, since it embraces a large portion of the Apennine Mountains; and it is thought to have admitted Arcadians as colonists. From Brentesium to Barium is about seven hundred stadia, and Taras is about an equal distance from each. The adjacent country is inhabited by the Daunii; and then come the Apuli, whose country extends as far as that of the Frentani.
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Observation: Strabo has already said the the voyage from Brentesium to Epeirus by way of Sason (Saseno) was about 800 stadia (6. 3. 5). But Strabo was much out of the way, and apparently was not on the regular route. Again, Epidamnus (now Durazzo) is in fact only about 800 stadia distant, not 1,800 as the text makes Strabo say. It is probable, therefore, that Strabo said either simply " for it is 800 stadia," or "for it is 1,000 stadia, while the former is 800.
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Continues Strabo:
....But the Greeks, the Macedonians, and those peoples in Asia who lived this side the Halys River and the Taurus Mountains joined the Carthaginians in a revolution, and therefore at the same time the Romans were led on to a conquest of these peoples, whose kings were Antiochus, Philip, and Perseus. Further, those of the Illyrians and Thracians who were neighbors to the Greeks and the Macedonians began to carry on war against the Romans and kept on warring until the Romans had subdued all the tribes this side the Ister and this side the Halys. And the Iberians, Celti, and all the remaining peoples which now give ear to the Romans had the same experience. As for Iberia, the Romans did not stop reducing it by force of arms until they had subdued the of it, first, by driving out the Nomantini,7 and, later on, by destroying Viriathus8 and Sertorius, and, last of all, the Cantabri, who were subdued by Augustus Caesar...

It rises in the western limits of Germany, as also near the recess of the Adriatic (at a distance from it of about one thousand stadia), and comes to an end at the Pontus not very far from the outlets of the Tyras6 and the Borysthenes,7 bending from its easterly course approximately towards the north. Now the parts that are beyond the Rhenus and Celtica are to the north of the Ister; these are the territories of the Galatic and the Germanic tribes, extending as far as the Bastarnians and the Tyregetans and the River Borysthenes. And the territories of all the tribes between this river and the Tanaïs and the mouth of Lake Maeotis extend up into the interior as far as the ocean8 and are washed by the Pontic Sea. But both the Illyrian and the Thracian tribes, and all tribes of the Celtic or other peoples that are mingled with these, as far as Greece, are to the south of the Ister. But let me first describe the parts outside the Ister, for they are much simpler than those on the other side.

[leandros nikon]

teuta,could you please mention your links as well?

for instance,you should write...

penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Strabo/6D*.html

and here,you may also read...
As for the Armenians, and the peoples who are situated above Colchis, both Albanians250 and Iberians,251 they require the presence only of men to lead them, and are excellent subjects, but because the Romans are engrossed by other affairs, they make attempts at revolution — as is the case with all the peoples who live beyond the Ister in the neighbourhood of the Euxine, except those in the region of the Bosporus252 and the Nomads,253 for the people of the Bosporus are in subjection, whereas the Nomads, on account of their lack of intercourse with others, are of no use for anything and only require watching. Also the remaining parts of Asia, generally speaking, belong to the Tent-dwellers and the Nomads, who are very distant peoples.

[leandros nikon]

www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/pausanias-bk1.html

PAUSANIAS
In his ÅËËÁÄÏÓ ÐÅÑÉÇÃÇÓÉÓ he mentions Pyrrhos as the first person from Greece beyond the Ionian sea to have to have marched against the Romans : Ïõôù Ðõññïò åóôéí ï ðñùôïò åê ôçò ÅëëÜäïò ôçò ðåñáí Éïíéïõ äéáâáò åðé Ñùìáéïõò. Attika, I,12,1.

Description of Greece, Book I: Attica


outw pyrrhus estin o prwtos ek ths ellados ths peran ioniou diavas epi rwmaious


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[1.12.1] So Pyrrhus was the first to cross the Ionian Sea from Greece to attack the Romans.1

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When the envoys urged these considerations, Pyrrhus remembered the capture of Troy, which he took to be an omen of his success in the war, as he was a descendant of Achilles



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Pyrrhus the Molossian hung these shields[1.13.3]
taken from the bold Gauls as a gift to Itonian
Athena, when he had destroyed all the host
of Antigonus. 'Tis no great marvel. The
Aeacidae are warriors now, even as they were
of old.



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the most important of his achievements until he waged war against the Romans,[1.11.7] being the first Greek we know of to do so.

[donnie]

leandrosnikanor said:

albanians are not greeks at all...greeks do fight their own wars,while americans fight the albanian wars...alboz have always a very brave mouth though... ;D

It's true we're not Greeks -- we're Albanians, and proud of that. As for fighting one's own war; was Navarino fighting your own war? LOL.

[meltdown711]

It's true we're not Greeks -- we're Albanians, and proud of that. As for fighting one's own war; was Navarino fighting your own war? LOL.

I think he means 1922 and Cyprus...

[leandros nikon]

or perhaps balkan wars,world wars,korean war...melt,a war can either be won or lost...except if its a brave mouth war...in that case who ever is more arrogant and megalomaniac wins...

[Teuta1975]

Leandros,
I am reading the book itself (online) and I don't have any idea what sources you're referring. Mine is something like: gutenberg, where one can read books online. I am reading mainly those pages at: 6.2.1.