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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Nov 22, 2008 1:13:55 GMT -5
Mazaris (Greek: Μάζαρις) (fl. c. 1415) was a late Byzantine Greek writer. He is only known as the author of a satirical text, Mazaris' Journey to Hades. His identity and first name are unknown. He has been tentatively identified with at least two known historical personalities of the same name, one Manuel Mazaris, who was a hymnographer and served as Protonotarius of Thessaloniki, and one Maximus Mazaris, who was a monk and author of a text of grammatical rules.[1] According to yet another hypothesis, however, these two were actually the same person.[2] Because of this uncertainty, the author of the Journey is mostly referred to simply by his family name. The Journey to Hades is believed to have been written between January of 1414 and October of 1415. It contains elements of social satire targeting the Byzantine ruling elite, but also some information about the lower classes in the Peloponnese, including some remarks about the various ethnic groups that made up its population. In a fictional letter, Mazaris lists "Lacedaemonians, Italians, Peloponnesians, Slavs, Illyrians, Egyptians, and Jews" as inhabiting the region of Mystras. Each of these groups is then described with (mostly negative) ethnic characteristics. Of these groups, the "Lacedaemonians" can easily be identified as Tsakonians, the "Italians" as members of various Western colonial groups, particularly Venetian and Genovese; the "Peloponnesians" as Greeks, the "Illyrians" as Albanians (i.e. modern Arvanites), and the "Egyptians" as Roma (Gypsies). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazaris ;D
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Post by highduke on Nov 22, 2008 12:57:58 GMT -5
The 1st mention of Albs as Illyrians is in a satyrical text? Did I read that right? I didn't know that but I'll be using it in my research. thanks, ILIR lol
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Post by ilirdardani on Nov 22, 2008 13:03:28 GMT -5
Umri chetnik.
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Post by highduke on Nov 22, 2008 13:45:50 GMT -5
why? can't stand reality, chechen? lol
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 22, 2008 14:01:44 GMT -5
For medieval Greek writers Albanians were Illyrians, Slavs were Skythes, Bulgarians Paionians etc etc...lot of imagination and a bit of archaizein or attikizein(if you get what I mean...).lol
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Post by rex362 on Nov 22, 2008 14:12:07 GMT -5
For medieval Greek writers Albanians were Illyrians, Slavs were Skythes, Bulgarians Paionians etc etc...
Albs refer to slavs as SHKI or SHKA to this day bcs of Skythes
but they dont like it ,they think its derogatory.
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 22, 2008 14:46:14 GMT -5
For medieval Greek writers Albanians were Illyrians, Slavs were Skythes, Bulgarians Paionians etc etc...Albs refer to slavs as SHKI or SHKA to this day bcs of Skythes but they dont like it ,they think its derogatory. Stupid Slavs, don't they see that Albos ....have proved that they are pure illyropelasgodardanominares and plan to reconquere the whole Illyrikon!!! ;D
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Post by highduke on Nov 22, 2008 14:58:06 GMT -5
Wrong again Rex, shkija comes from the Latin word for 'scism' & in pre-Islamic times was used by Alb catholics to refer to orthodox Albs but after Albs betrayed Skenderbeg & joined the ranks of his muslim enemies, shkja was exclusively used by muslim albs to refer to Orthodox Serbs & I recall an alb-authored article that Aadmin posted when the forum was still hosted by ezboard proving it.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 22, 2008 15:11:29 GMT -5
its used for slavs ....I have never heard it used for greek Orthodox or Alb Orthodox..
You were called shka/shki before that... when you first entered the areas 600 ad and before you even had a religion shoved down your throat
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Post by highduke on Nov 22, 2008 20:46:31 GMT -5
Oh, yeah? Show me some evidence that this statement of yours is true outside your own cruded up mind. you logged over 3000 posts in 1 whole year posting nothing constructive, you pathetic loser.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 22, 2008 20:53:22 GMT -5
my proof is in the pudding
my pudding is HIGHDUKE ......if its anything and everything you promote ----> use complete opposite
can you here me now ?
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Post by highduke on Nov 22, 2008 22:08:00 GMT -5
See a psychiatrist, man, you're embarassing your own people with your eccentric stupidity, you joke. You're unstable & weird & nobody thinks you're clever or funny, just a fool - but they feel too sorry for you to tell let you in on it because they think that at least you mean well.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Nov 22, 2008 22:48:38 GMT -5
For medieval Greek writers Albanians were Illyrians, Slavs were Skythes, Bulgarians Paionians etc etc...lot of imagination and a bit of archaizein or attikizein(if you get what I mean...).lol So then by your logic, the peloponesians who are mentioned as Greeks would NOT be Greeks, and venetians and genoese would not be Italians?
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Post by highduke on Nov 22, 2008 23:03:27 GMT -5
ILIR its not the same because genoese & peleponesian are names derived from geographic locations whereas the designations pointed out by patrinos are ethno-tribal names.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Nov 23, 2008 0:51:02 GMT -5
no they are not, both illyria and arbanites are geographical and ethno-tribal names
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Post by highduke on Nov 23, 2008 10:09:41 GMT -5
No they can't be both at once. the arbAnites & illyrians gave their name to the territories they inhabitted, whereas the genoese & pelloponesians were named after the citiy or region they inhabited.
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Post by proleteriat on Nov 23, 2008 13:15:27 GMT -5
No they can't be both at once. the arbAnites & illyrians gave their name to the territories they inhabitted, whereas the genoese & pelloponesians were named after the citiy or region they inhabited. The region was called Illyria, then slavs invaded and they lived there too but slavs can never be ILlyrian becasue you are just slav, or you have to chose if you are a Serb or Croat or Bosnian and want to be Illyrian you are also Albanian simutaniously.
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Post by highduke on Nov 23, 2008 13:48:08 GMT -5
Wrong Proleteriat. every genetic study confirms balkan slav speakers are not slavic.
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Post by proleteriat on Nov 23, 2008 13:55:31 GMT -5
Wrong Proleteriat. every genetic study confirms balkan slav speakers are not slavic. wrong? lololol. that's so sad, no wonder the Fyromians want to be Macedonian, being slavic must be very difficult, but it's what you are and always will be no matter how much you deny it.
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Post by kasso on Nov 23, 2008 14:00:25 GMT -5
Wrong Proleteriat. every genetic study confirms balkan slav speakers are not slavic. You people regard yourselves as descendants of the Illyrian populations, but that's impossible since you are Slavs even though you may have some Illyrian (Albanian) blood in your veins
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