Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 20, 2008 12:30:26 GMT -5
I think Albanians were put in this world to build walls ,clean streets and for something Greeks to complain about.There is no denying that...
Anyone know what trades Albanians perform in Italy and Sweden...?
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rex362
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Pellazg
PELASGIANILLYROALBANIAN
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Post by rex362 on Nov 20, 2008 12:32:23 GMT -5
wood cabinet makers & cab drivers
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Post by mendor on Nov 21, 2008 15:19:53 GMT -5
Let me write this propertely because with greek letters it is difficult for the rest to be read... kio giuhe arberishte iste giuhe trimeriste e flit nuarhi(admilral) Miauli Botsari ede gith Suli This is brought from Kartadolofone to prove something greek i see,but i invite all members of this forum to translate this if they can in their language
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Post by captainalbania on Nov 21, 2008 22:00:45 GMT -5
this language arbereshe was the language of bravery spoken by Admiral Miauli Botsari and all of Suli.
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 22, 2008 16:37:09 GMT -5
Wrong. Is the language of bravery. Ishte= is in arvanitika. Esht doesnt exist among them, its modern albanian s.hit, probably gheg. ;D
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 22, 2008 16:43:16 GMT -5
eshte is Tosk and probably a later construction. Asht is the Gheg way of saying esht.
And Arvanitik sounds very ugly... giuhe instead of gjuhe? Ugh! Too much Greek influence on that language destroyed the unique beauty of Albanian sounds.
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 22, 2008 16:59:56 GMT -5
Haha I find albanian sounds terrible. Especially this strange "r"-pronounciation...like coming from a speech impaired person.
No you missunderstand it, it is giuche because you cant write "j" in Greek letters...it becomes "iu"...but its pronounced as "j" of course. Its anyway not giuche but glioucha. How can you dare to say arvanitika sounds ugly because its too much Greek influenced. We both know that Greek is the queen of languages. Just because its Greek influenced arvanitika sounds...lets say... acceptable.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 22, 2008 17:05:49 GMT -5
Lol, Greek sounds better than Alb... Greek is so freakin lacking in sounds that I get tired of reading Plato outloud, I have to just stop and simply interpret in in my head.... everything sounds the same. Every damn ending is so similar that its a chore figuring out if its an imperative, an infinitive, or a regular verb...
Albanian has so many sounds that it encompasses almost all sounds made by European languages with no problem and add some to them. Reading Albania is fluid, Greek... does not feel so at all...
Be happy you have the literature.... because otherwise...
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 22, 2008 17:18:20 GMT -5
The ancient Greek language is a masterstroke. The people that invented it must have been gods...or sth similar to that. Its grammar is ingenious, its sounds so beautiful, its so perfect in every aspect. Of course the way you learned to pronounce it sounds terrible...but thats anyway not the way it was pronounced in antiquity.
Albanian is too impure...the fact that you have adopted so many words from other languages proves that the inventors of your language were ordinary people...peasants. You did never ever have a spiritual elite that had to find terms for things of higher human development, such as science (every kind of).
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 22, 2008 17:24:28 GMT -5
Youve never read proper Albanian from the geniuses who knew how to use it right, just the ignorant peasants that moved to Greece... If you watch many communist era public speakers, they show a control over the language that cannot be compared with any half-breed politician or the majority of goats. The masses accentuate everything to the point where it becomes horribly ugly to hear, whereas those who know how to speak it do so in a far softer way.
And as I said, sound and literature are different. Grammatically and literature wise its full, but otherwise its seriously lacking in sounds and becomes very repetative to read.
And I cannot imagine how much more repetative it is today that they dont make you learn all the accent marks that I nearly killed myself with trying to commit them to memory...
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 22, 2008 17:32:09 GMT -5
If you need genuises to make it sound beautiful...it means...its hard to make it sound beautiful. And then again...it hardly sounds beautiful. Greek sounds beautiful...also coming from a peasant...especially if tis peasant speaks a more archaic form of Greek, for example the ones of southern Italy. Just goose skin causing.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 22, 2008 17:35:01 GMT -5
Well my view is pretty class biased so I cant speak about it being ugly or beautiful, plus I was raised inside a city with educated urban people around me.... I doubt Plato considered the Greek of the rural world very fun to hear.... in fact the Lysistrata shows just how little respect Athenians had for Spartan speech...
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 22, 2008 17:37:32 GMT -5
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 22, 2008 17:39:10 GMT -5
This is how a beautiful recitation sounds like:
Soft and full of variety, almost puts a tear in my eye...
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 22, 2008 17:41:16 GMT -5
Anyway, in the end its just what your used to.
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 22, 2008 17:45:49 GMT -5
Be happy you have some Greek ancestors, otherwise you would never demand a great deal of your language...
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 22, 2008 17:55:55 GMT -5
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 22, 2008 18:03:06 GMT -5
its hard to valuate it if I dont understand anything except the track...
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 22, 2008 18:07:18 GMT -5
Its not an issue of understanding, Im not talking about that. The issue at hand is over the variety of sounds.
But anyway, like I said, its what your used to. Otherwise its just bar bar...
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Post by proleteriat on Nov 22, 2008 18:20:07 GMT -5
It all depends on what dialect you speak, I find certain dialects of Albanian to be very ugly, the same with Greek, i think the arvanitka dialect is very pleasant to the ear though, like the song "Ore ku të muar Jorgo sfera, me perposht nga fustanella" ;D
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