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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 15, 2008 13:25:36 GMT -5
Servus, stop insulting other ethnic groups. I happen to have a large number of Romanian friends... The best of them will leave as well. They will either come to Tirana or they will head off to Greece. Korca is a dead city and will continue to sink. One day it will bask on its memory like its likewise dead Voskopoje. That is a natural ally you idiot. It fits all the criteria: common enemies, non-colliding interests, do not border each other... what do you think a "natural ally" is? To jerk off each other while looking at pics of Illyrians? You never have? Really? Then you need to open your fukin eyes more. Those shepards are something alright. I mean, how many fires do they cause yearly to produce more grazing land? How many roads to their sheep block? Those ugly busted smiles with missing teeth... oh the epitome of the greatness of Albania that betrays unimaginable ignorance. First of all let me say I have never encountered anyone as self-hating as you are. It's really quite sad. Didn't you say you're half Korcar? we get u hate your Greek side now u hate your Korcar side too? you hit yourself a lot, dont you? Korca will never die. It will always be the center of Albanian Orthodoxy, the center of Albanian culture, education and religious harmony, swallow that and choke on it lol. Once again I must stressed that Turkey is a forced ally of interest. First of all my topic was about allies in the balkans. most of Turkey is not even in the balkans but in the midddle east and Asia so you try not wondering off topic too, we dont care to hear about how much you enjoy sucking Turkish dick.. and like i said before Albania is mostly rural, we are a shephard nation just like Romania. Shephards/Coban are important in Albanian culture too, the heart of Albanian music always sings about cobenjte 1. Korca has no "center of Education", not since the French Lycee was closed. That job is now in Tirana and to a lesser extent Durres and Vlore. 2. I dont have any interest in Korca as I never lived there, I have family from there, but they all moved out of there. 3. I wasnt speaking out of hate but out of reality: Korca has no backbone to stand up on. 4. That Albania is mostly rural is nothing to be proud of.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 15, 2008 13:27:57 GMT -5
And again Prolo, what is a "Natural ally"? I really want to know what you think of it as...
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 15, 2008 17:49:43 GMT -5
NJEREZ ANALFABET...a natural ally is a country and people u sare common language, genes, and history with...and one whose history has never and will never contradict yours (were not neighbors) and who u've never had direct agression with(we cant say this about Turkye now can we?) its also an ally that shares or will share common enemies as u, Romanians are coming around on Kosova and realizing that Serbs are their enemies(along with other peopel who are enemies of Albanians...) these videos were made from Romanians...(the first video is Albanians in Tirana showing support to Romanians against Serbia so as u can see its not just me who shares this opinion) a natural ally is also not one because of religion but because of cultural similatarities. 300 words in Romanian can only be found in Albanian.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_languagewww.experiencefestival.com/albanian_language_-_albanology
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 15, 2008 20:02:06 GMT -5
A natural ally is someone you can define with. Identification based on artificial ones, such as this Illyro-Dacian kinship, do not work. There are strong cultural differences between us and them, on top of political ones. And no, they are not "coming around", Romanian media still regularly puts out strong anti-Kosovo news that the masses gobble up. Religion still plays an important role in the identification of the latter, Romanians, who also served as mercenaries for the Serbs during the war.
Under your retarded belief, we should find kinship with Iranians because they are Indo-Europeans...
What your proping is not based off of political realities, where real alliances are formed, but rather from emotional/popular ones(which are not altogether large)... politicians and nations dont care what the people feel or how they feel...
PS: Religion is stronger than artificial cultural inheritances... and is generally stronger than national as well. Hence why Greek identity or Serb identity is so strong while Turkey has so many internal troubles and why Albs have to make a strong effort to keeping our identity as it is; and hence the creation of "Albanianism".
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Post by Kastorianos on Dec 16, 2008 5:12:46 GMT -5
There are nowhere "natural alliances"...at least not in the way you want to think....there are only such alliances between two countries with people of same ethnic background...such as...Greece-Cyprus or Albania-Kosova....
everything else is just partnership of convenience...and by no means alliances given by nature.
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 16, 2008 13:14:02 GMT -5
A natural ally is someone you can define with. Identification based on artificial ones, such as this Illyro-Dacian kinship, do not work. There are strong cultural differences between us and them, on top of political ones. And no, they are not "coming around", Romanian media still regularly puts out strong anti-Kosovo news that the masses gobble up. Religion still plays an important role in the identification of the latter, Romanians, who also served as mercenaries for the Serbs during the war. Under your retarded belief, we should find kinship with Iranians because they are Indo-Europeans... What your proping is not based off of political realities, where real alliances are formed, but rather from emotional/popular ones(which are not altogether large)... politicians and nations dont care what the people feel or how they feel... PS: Religion is stronger than artificial cultural inheritances... and is generally stronger than national as well. Hence why Greek identity or Serb identity is so strong while Turkey has so many internal troubles and why Albs have to make a strong effort to keeping our identity as it is; and hence the creation of "Albanianism". First of all shit for brains the Iranians are not autochonous to the balkans or Europe so that argument is flawed beyond resonable belief..the same with Turkey bullshit. and what the fuck did Turkey do in Kosova? Nothing. They sent some troops after Nato decided to bombfuck Serbia big deal, Greece sent help too, and Greece is always the first to help Albania in national trageides such as Gerdec, by YOUR retarded belief we should be allies with Greece too then... We have nothing to gain by being allies with Turkey and they have nothing to lose because they want to integrate in Europe so they found their scapegoats in Albanians and Bosnians I doubt you know what Romanian media does I doubt you know what every country or every people in the world do youre a fucking dumbass and frankly im tired of listening to your retarded ass just because youre up to your neck in loans barely passing to get a BA at some local community college doesnt mean you know anything about anything... And your religion argument is extremely flawed, if religion was so important Albanians should be all divided and no its not because of "Albanianism" taht Albanians are united is because of language and cultural because many Albanians are extremely rleigous. and WE ARE NOT A MUSLIM COUNTRY no matter how much your Turkish ancestors wanted it to be ALL OF EUROPE HAS CHRISTIAN AND PAGAN ROOTS and always will. and i know that "politicans don't care" waht i was proposing is not exactly reality Einstein its what i think should happen because it makes sense Romanians are our cousins but unlike some other "cousins" we have Albanians dont have beef with Romanians so theyres no reason we cant be allies
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 16, 2008 13:16:19 GMT -5
There are nowhere "natural alliances"...at least not in the way you want to think....there are only such alliances between two countries with people of same ethnic background...such as...Greece-Cyprus or Albania-Kosova.... everything else is just partnership of convenience...and by no means alliances given by nature. you're just jealous Greece doesn't have any natural allies all your allies are an entirely different ethnic group (slavs) which youre only bound to by religion and common enemies ;D
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Post by Kastorianos on Dec 16, 2008 13:57:58 GMT -5
yes probably.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 16, 2008 14:34:30 GMT -5
Pretty much kastorianos has it right. There is no natural ally in a sense of emotion because emotion has no business in politics, only realpolitik. Greece protested the NATO bombing to such an extent that they were nearly kicked out of it. And help for Gerdec is nothing major, mostly a humanitarian issue. If something akin happened to Greece, Albania would send help as well.... thats how diplomacy works. Greece sent huge help to Turkey after the earthquake for instance. In sense, this whole thing is a rather smug way of showing dependency: "look you need my help haha" 1. A major ally who supports us 2. A link to the middle east and support from there 3. Bosnians and Albanians have never been mentioned by Turkeys EU integration. Great argument. Its like talking to an eight year old f*g... The media plays a huge role in public perception of things. So for instance the media in Spain is very much against independence of Kosovo and result is that 70% or more of the population is against as well.. same with Romania, as much as 70% of the population opposes Kosovo independence. Something that is comparable to countries such as Slovakia... 85% of the Albanian people are Muslims.... this doesnt exactly qualify as Christians or "pagan"... And if Europe has Christian roots, I couldnt care less, Im opposed to the EU. Cousins who volunteered in the Serb army during the wars... lol Dhe po mos t'jemi shtet muslimane, athere pse kemi hyr ne bashine e shteteve Islamike?
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 16, 2008 16:24:51 GMT -5
^^85 percent of Albanians Muslim?? LOL recent poll from Albania show that 60% of people are Atheist/Agnositc lol...the rest are Orthodox/Catholic And many westerners described Kosovars as being very secular, not to mention Kosovar Albanians are rapidly converting to Christianity and they want nothing to do with Islam(they proved this by denying help from Arab/Muslim countires when they literally begged to help them ) Albania and Kosova have the majority of Albanians in the balkans, so "85%" is just a statistic u pulled out of ur ass. i give u facts, u give an illusion because u want ur ancestors to re-establish the Ottoman Empire... 1. "A major ally who supports us"-right. A major ally who did NOTHING in Kosova. Not military until after NATO went in. not public support. Nothing. Turkey was powerful enough to have helped Albanians in Kosova we wouldnt have needed a NATO intervention at all... 2. "A link to the middle east and support from there"-lolol we dont need a link to the middle east nor do the majority of us (Albanians) want it. Albanians in Kosova refused it. 3. "Bosnians and Albanians have never been mentioned by Turkeys EU integration." - they don't have to be mentioned. You'd have to be a brainless monkey not to realize that Turkey is using Bosnia and Albania to integrate in Europe. (Oh look both countries are Muslim if they can be in the EU why cant we? We're allies and have similar culture lolol) besides who says cousins support each other all the time? you big doofus i'm sure you have relatives and cousins who would and have tricked you because you're gullable. stop going off topic. did I say that Greeec didn't protest NATO? You're drifting off topic again katundar...
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 16, 2008 16:36:21 GMT -5
The polls that come out of western nations are generally bs. Just like the Oxford ones, they are meant to "rationalize" Albania's eventual entrance into EU so as to not seem
Wrong... mass ralies were held in Ankara and Istanbul during this period and much of Turkeys reaction was no so much on what it wanted to do but rather what NATO didnt allow it to do. Turkey was damn near ready to proclaim war on Serbia on behalf of Albanians and Bosnians. In 97 Turkey threatened Greece in the very same way when Greece proposed sending her troops into southern Albania during the chaos.
Secularism doesnt not imply Islam. You can be secular and identify with your religion. This is especially pronounced in the Balkans where faith is often a cultural familial characteristic rather than anything actual practiced. It is often a trait of heritage.
Your right, it could very well be higher. 70% in Albania, 90% in Kosova, 90% in Macedonia, 60% in Montenegro...
Speak for yourself Kaur..
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Post by highduke on Dec 16, 2008 16:43:27 GMT -5
Melty, why not convert to islam?
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Post by Kastorianos on Dec 16, 2008 17:09:07 GMT -5
Why convert? He is already muslim.
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Post by servus on Dec 16, 2008 17:13:24 GMT -5
^ he is like the rest of Albanian families who are very secular.
there is no reason for people "to convert". Beaver is just trying to provoke. ignore him..
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 16, 2008 17:51:23 GMT -5
Turkey was damn near to doing nothing just like it's never done anything to help Albania that Western countries couldn't easily do. so now the opinions of most Albanians dont matter and the polls are "bs" but we should take the opinion of a self-proclaimed Turkofile serioiusly. I'm glad most Albanians hate Turkey and good for them, I hope Turkey never joins the EU and I hope it breaks apart, it has to anyway, the kurds will get thier own country one way or another and im not speaking for "myself" Turkali, as i've never needed help liberating myself lol especially not from the middle east lol but the kosovar Albanians did refuse help from middle eastern countries and generally most Albanians, especially the Muslims, hate being associated with the middle east or Turkey unless they have a Turkish father like you anyway, back to the topic, besides shephards language and fustanella what other similarties are there between Albania and Romania?
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Post by highduke on Dec 16, 2008 18:03:54 GMT -5
No im not. if he is calling people kaur, then he is by proxy speaking as a muslim. plus melty is urging closer co-operation with the turko-islamic world anyway, so it makes sense to ask. think: if there was an albo islamic revival, al Qaida would be begging you to let them do all the dirty work. plus, what better revenge on the West is there after they abandoned you in Kosovo? Islam all the way, just forget Skenderbeg lol dont get attatched to Western or any values too long, be a real Albo lol
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Dec 16, 2008 18:06:21 GMT -5
I totaly agree with Melty and Kastorianos. and this ossetian/alanian donkey "hajduke" is pretty sad circus ;D
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 16, 2008 18:18:02 GMT -5
I totaly agree with Melty and Kastorianos. and this ossetian/alanian donkey "hajduke" is pretty sad circus ;D so you agree that Kosova accepted help from the middle east? totally? really? then why did your fellow country men refuse it? Totally. lol. either you're confused or they are, someone has to be TOTALLY confused
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Post by highduke on Dec 16, 2008 18:19:33 GMT -5
Adolph, the West is done with. ITS OVAH! They let the Russians & Serbs neuter EULEX & threaten Bosnia with succession within 1 month . They let themselves get addicted to Russian energy & now have to pander to their dealer's foreign policy to get better prices. Al Qaida is not tied down by Russia. Albs should be pragmatic like Melty, who is a Real Albo. You converted to Islam before, you can do it again. Dont be a pu$$y. lay off Melty, at least he has the balls to think like a Real Albo
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Post by highduke on Dec 16, 2008 18:45:22 GMT -5
Melty, you are the only albo here to wake up the end of the West's hegemony & stay true to ku eshte shpata eshte feja when all your kin are too blinded by the pace of the changes to realize whats best & in that respect you become the albanian highduke lol after all you seen me advocate a pro-Russia stance for 6 years now when most Serbs were pro US & it has paid off, i was right, mods & aadmin see it, feel bad they marginalized me & hey, now i can get away with breaking every rule in the book
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