Post by Emperor AAdmin on Apr 26, 2009 23:16:00 GMT -5
- Christian Albanians from the south (Epirots) are of Hellenic stock (page 70 , 12th line, states "They (Christian Albanians to the south, Epirots) look at themselves as inseparable members of Hellenic race")
It also mentions
"Southern Albanians, who have even smothering of the Hellenic culture" (Page 70. 5th line from the bottom)
"southern albanians always siding with greeks in all events" (Page 72, 4th line)
Less Balkanian Dogmatic Paranoia! More Ancient Hellenic Wisdom! (Zetaman/Zecanin)
Post by albquietman on May 4, 2009 22:39:17 GMT -5
AAdmin, no matter what the material you brought here says, it's not simply true. Christian albanians are not greeks, for the simple reason that the religion can't change one's nationality, and you know that todays' religion was established only 2000 years ago, while the humans are walking on this planet long time before that...
"The only way to comprehend what mathematicians mean by Infinity is to contemplate the extent of human stupidity." - Voltaire
Post by leandros nikon on Aug 22, 2009 16:56:58 GMT -5
Arvanitan Greeks are Greek to the Bone, as there were their ancient forefathers Illyrian Greeks and Epirotes. Tosk Albanian were of an also Greek Epiroto-Illyrian and Macedonian Greek historic origin, which became forcefully Islamicized and were thereby violently been cut off of Hellenism, ever since.
Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 23, 2009 0:57:13 GMT -5
We Muslim Tosks can speak for ourselves, thank you! Nobody ever forcefully Islaminized us. We became so quite freely while doing service for the Ottoman Empire (we Muslim Tosks were the ones who gave more Viziers than any other group, even the last Vezier was Albanian Tosk). Not only that but we converted to a form of Islam that was very much persecuted in the Ottoman Empire: Bektashi Islam.
Our Gheg kinsmen never forcefully Islaminized us. We became Muslim because we wanted to.
Thank you. We are proud to be Muslim and not Orthodogs.
Last Edit: Aug 24, 2009 23:31:28 GMT -5 by todhrimencuri
This post is here to spike things between Alb Muslims and alb Christians ....
but I leave one tidbit for the person that started this thread
when Albanian Muslims were leaving their homes and villages in the early Balkan wars , ww1 ,1923 population exchange, ww2 (chams) many of these Muslim Albanians left keys for their homes and also other certain possessions with and in the hands of Christian Albanians . bcs they were planning to return ...
ok, here's what i don't get, the author clearly distinguishes between the two nationalities yet he quite inexplicably introduces terms such as albanian tosks from epir are greeks, now this is just absurd, u are either this or that, but our history is such that is hard to draw a line, its a very confusing depiction with nationalities easily interchangable, but he seems to be working off perceptions, its an overhead look at the people of those area and he is obviously confusing religion with race
Last Edit: Nov 23, 2010 15:48:51 GMT -5 by atdhetari
Ali Pasha was brutal and anti-Hellenas, he is responsible for the drowning of Hellene women in the lake of Ioannina/Epiros, for tortures and other acts of violence against the Hellenes. He was a Moslem monster.
Hellenes never wanted a union with Albanians, the Albanians always considered by the Hellenes as an inferior and uncivilized people, including illiterate and Barbarian.
The Hellene Arvanites were never "Albanians", they were racially Mediterranean and Alpine Hellenes and linguistically only partly Albanized. They came from Arvana and the term "Arvanites" means the "inhabitants of Albania" not Albanians. They also found racially to resemble more Hellenes not Albanians. So the theory that "Albanians" wandered as immigrants in all over Hellas is a fiery tale, as they were just partly Albanian-speaking and Hellenes in blood.
There is not any "racial affinity" between Hellenes and Albanian Tosks. Hellenic Alpines are much different craniofacialy than Albanian Tosk Alpines, so there is not any "racial" connection between them.
It is my opinion that the Toscs, in pigmentation as well as in bodily and facial characters, resemble the southern and central French very closely; that they and the French form the two ends of the Alpine racial area in Europe, the center of which is largely taken up by the Dinaric amalgam.
While Greek east-Alpine Epirotes look more like Greek.
Common in north-western Hellas and southern Italy(Magna Graecia).
Now Hellenization is an other thing, everybody must be Hellenized culturally, but racially the only people who will ever be Hellenes are only the Hellenes(and those who have Hellenic blood), this will never change.
Last Edit: Jan 22, 2011 3:58:27 GMT -5 by Hellenas
Post by kartadolofonos on Nov 20, 2012 20:51:16 GMT -5
Emperor AAdmin I agree
The southern Albanians, Tosk, are relatives of anthropological and national viewpoint with the Greeks. They are Epirotes! Simply, most of them after the Roman occupation lost their Greek voice, but not the consciousness of belonging to the wider field of Hellenism. Modern Greek language before 60 years specifically in southern Albania Northern Epirus was closest to ancient Greek .
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