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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Aug 27, 2008 8:44:13 GMT -5
Ask Marko Bocari and his grandsons what they feel like...They still say that they are Albanians after all these years!
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Post by Kastorianos on Aug 27, 2008 11:12:13 GMT -5
I dont think so. Because his descendants indeed say they are Greek. None of them fought for Albania...but for Greece...get over it finally. There is zero connection between them and the albanian state nor will there ever be anyone.
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Post by leandros nikon on Aug 27, 2008 18:42:31 GMT -5
yap...i asked Marco Bocari what's his nationality,just yesterday...he said "i dont know,i will ask my grandma..."
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 9, 2008 7:54:34 GMT -5
Topic cleaned up. Made it very clear NO links to your articles to check for authenticity or it would be removed, turns out one article was from here; http://www.illyrians.org/markobocari.html ^ Direct link to the whole article. illyrians.org is a propaganda site and is not acceptable Souliotes are Greeks, there is NO buts about it. DO NOT INSULT OUR PEOPLE AND OUR HERITAGE. .
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Sept 17, 2008 3:34:27 GMT -5
try mine... www.illyrian.netI give source GREEK, ARVANITE, SOULIOTE, ALBANIAN, FOREIGN sources and they all say that SOULIOTES ARE ALBANIANS!
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 17, 2008 20:02:09 GMT -5
^ LOL @ Alexandros being an Albanian, yeah very reliable source P.s his name was Alexandros and not Alexander or lecky .
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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 10, 2008 14:49:25 GMT -5
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Post by kasso on Oct 25, 2008 17:03:18 GMT -5
Worth noting: The Suliote Hero Markos Botsaris wrote the first Albanian-Greek dictionary which contained about 484 words.
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 26, 2008 2:43:35 GMT -5
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Post by alb12345 on Nov 20, 2008 10:52:08 GMT -5
Modern dictionaries derive "Souli" from Albanian suli, meaning mountain summit.[1] In the nineteenth century, the poet Andreas Kalvos (1792-1869) had linked the name to the Selloi, the ancient priests of Zeus at the sanctuary of Dodona.Biris places the ultimate origin of these first Souliote settlers further north in Albania, arguing that their folk culture showed traces of Gheg rather than Tosk influence.Other authors such as André Gerolymatos subscribe to the argument that the Souliotes were simply "Orthodox Albanians.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Nov 27, 2008 6:54:37 GMT -5
Souliotes were of Greek descent and very patriotic
Souliotes descendants of Epirote Greeks who migrated to the mountains in ancient times in order to flee from Roman forces
Athanasios Psallidas, a secretary of Ali Pasha, stated that Souli (also known as Kakosouli) contained Greek fighters who fought against the Albanians for many years.[8] An author of unknown origin stated that the Souliotes, under tyranny in Epirus, have proven that Greece still gives rise to individuals like Leonidas at Thermopylae.[9] Aside from contemporary accounts, the Souliotes were known as Greeks even by their enemies. Beli Pasha, son of Ali Pasha, sent letters to his father from April to December 1803 calling the Souliotes "Romans" (ÑùìÝïõò), "Romioi" (Ñùìéïýò) and "Romegans" (ÑùìÝãïõò), that is, ethnic Greeks. Ahmed Moufit, great-grandson of Ali Pasha's sister (Siachnisa), attempted to convert the Souliotes into Orthodox Albanians in his chronicles. He wrote angrily about how the Souliotes invited Ali Pasha's attack in 1789 because they called themselves Christian Greeks
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Post by leshte on Dec 6, 2008 22:18:07 GMT -5
You Greeks overdo it sometimes. So what if there were people of Albanian origin that helped in the efforts of Greek liberation. That doesn't mean that we are trying to steal the history of Greece ( Which is indeed admirable, excluding when it was directed against us. In those cases its simply shameful). That doesn't either mean that you have your liberty because of the Albanian state or Albanian nation and that Greeks didn't fight for their liberty. That would be ridiculous. The common enemy those days were the Turks so I wouldn't be surprised there were Albanians in Greece fighting on the Greek side against the Turks. I wish the opposite was true also, that is Greeks in Albania fighting against the Turks. Bad it didn't happen, instead you sent your priests who every time we opened an Albanian school went and biatched at the Turks, and predicated how only speaking the Greek language you could go to heaven. Ally Balkan army's fought in the Kosova battle against the Turks. Try telling the Serbs that Albanians were fighting along Serbs against the Turks. Sometimes you guys act like them, deny, deny, deny, even though you yourselves know that it happened.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Dec 7, 2008 4:15:29 GMT -5
You are not likely a descendant of someone who fought alongside Greeks or Serbs. I can see almost immediately how you insult the Orthodox church as if it should have ever gave a rats ass about you.
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Post by srbobran on Dec 7, 2008 11:17:05 GMT -5
Actually, if I'm not mistaken, Albanians were on the Turkish side for most of their Ottoman history. Wasn't it Albanians who sent wave after wave of troops to fight and eventually overwhelm the Souliotes? Wasn't it Albanians who fought alongside the Turks in the First Balkan War? Apart from some collaboration with Skanderbeg (who happened to be a Serb himself), tell me some specific instances where Albanians fought alongside Serbs against the Turks?
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Post by leshte on Dec 7, 2008 11:28:40 GMT -5
Why were Serbs and Greeks allowed to have their own schools while everytime we opened an Albanian school they killed our teachers? Why were you allowed to have your own churches in your own languages, while we were not allowed that, and our priests got killed everytime they predicated in Albanian. Its becasue you posed no threat to the Empire. Our language, or even our gatherings in Albanian churches were seen as a threat.
As for Scanderbeg being a Serb, if that is what you use to claim resistance against the Ottomans I don't need to say no more. We defeated the Turks 23 years in a row. You celebrate a loss against them.
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Post by kasso on Dec 7, 2008 12:22:21 GMT -5
Skanderbeg (who happened to be a Serb himself) yeah right, there are no solid evidence about his supposed Serbian origin
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Post by meltdown711 on Feb 2, 2009 11:21:50 GMT -5
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Post by donnie on Feb 2, 2009 12:50:44 GMT -5
The Suliots themselves were Albanian you misinformed gedzo. The ones attacking them were the troops of Ali pasha Tepelena. Many of the warriors fighting on his side were later to become the heroes of the Greek liberation war, such as Odhisea Andruco (Odysseas Androutsos in Greek) and others.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 3, 2009 1:53:32 GMT -5
Souliotes were fighting for the freedom of Greece in the war of independence.....Because they were / are Greeks.
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Post by meltdown711 on Feb 5, 2009 17:27:21 GMT -5
Even Greek sources themselves are contradicting you... hahaha
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