Post by meltdown711 on Feb 6, 2009 11:29:51 GMT -5
I didnt say they were Albanian. That would mean something that was anachronistic for that time. They defined with their land and their territories, that was their main concern. What that Greek documentary said is also confirmed in the book "Ali Pasha: The Muslim Bonaparte".
And dont worry, I dont much care for them. The Greeks should keep their legacy, we true Albanians know who were were fighting for at that time. And in the end, all it took was some cash bribes to destroy them...
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 23, 2009 20:58:08 GMT -5
Most sources agree that Souli was settled first by Greeks and later mixed with Grecoalbanian (Arvanites)
Ali Pasha, stated that Souli (also known as Kakosouli) contained Greek fighters who fought against the Turk and Turk Albanians for many years.
The Ottoman Turks attempted numerous times to conquer the territories of the Souliot Confederacy. In 1731, Hatzi Achmet, pasha of Ioannina, received orders from the Sultan to subdue the Souliots. He lost his army of 8000 men. In 1754, Mustapha Pasha lost his army to the Souliotes too. In the following years, Mustapha Kokka came in with 4000 soldiers and Bekir Pasha with 5000. Both failed to defeat the Souliotes. In 1759, Dost Bey, commander of Dhelvinou, was defeated by the Souliotes. Maxoud Aga of Margariti, the governor of Arta, suffered the same fate in 1762. In 1772, Suleiman Tsapari attacked the Souliotes with his army of 9000 men and was defeated. In 1775, an expedition of Kurt Pasha failed. When in 1788 the notorious Ali became pasha of Ioannina, he tried for 15 years to destroy the Souliotes. In 1792, his army of 3000 Turko-Albanians was eliminated. Although he had hostages (such as Fotos Tzavellas who was the son of Lambros Tzavellas), Suliotes under the command of Georgios Botsaris, Lambros Tzavellas, and Dimos Drakos fought very bravely. Even women under the command of Moscho (Lambros Tzavellas' wife) participated in the battle. Eventually, 2000 Turko-Albanians and 74 Souliots were killed .
Why were Serbs and Greeks allowed to have their own schools while everytime we opened an Albanian school they killed our teachers? Why were you allowed to have your own churches in your own languages, while we were not allowed that, and our priests got killed everytime they predicated in Albanian. Its becasue you posed no threat to the Empire. Our language, or even our gatherings in Albanian churches were seen as a threat.
As for Scanderbeg being a Serb, if that is what you use to claim resistance against the Ottomans I don't need to say no more. We defeated the Turks 23 years in a row. You celebrate a loss against them.
When Epirus joined Greece in 1913, following the Balkan Wars, Muslim Chams lost the privileged status they enjoyed during Ottoman rule
You were put into the upper cast during ottoman rule you converted to Islam by choice and expanded into Kosovo Vardar and Montenegro throughout the ottoman rule, over 35 Grand viziers of the ottoman empire were Albanian and countless other Generals, you fought against Serbs and Greeks during the struggle for liberation
And as for Serbs and Greeks not being a threat to the empire, have you heard of hajduks,Sajkasi,Uskoks ETC... none of them were Albanian.
The Serbian church was banned by the way and our most prominent saints remains burned on Vracar hill because we Rebelled.
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