Mimi
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Post by Mimi on Jan 2, 2008 11:26:14 GMT -5
one thing that i am very proud of kosovo is that we helt our albanism very tight and never let anyone to change us like those albs your telling me about. there were no damn serb that could come to us an say "youre the new serbs", we have always said NO we are with Albania, for better and worse and never turned our back on Albania, heck we even wanted to join Albania on the communist time(we were part of yougo back then), if that isnt loyalty i dont know what is lol, not once did we feel that kosovo should stay part of serbia, that was absurt it even sounds wrong its an albanian land, we strongly feel that and if poeple think that we are ever gonna accept it they are very wrong, cuz thats never gonna happen.
if outsiders offend Albania in any way we kosovars take it very personal so be careful lol...some people dont unerstand that, they saying "you dont come from Albania" lol
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 2, 2008 13:40:00 GMT -5
Its not like people actively act out their distaste, but the distastes are still there. And this has nothing to do with Kosovars as the more active Albanians who have spoken bad of Greeks are southern Albanians here, not Kosovars. As I said, they hate Greeks, whereas Kosovars dont care enough to from what I've seen.
And again, dont equate Albs who live in Greece with the rest of the Alb diaspora, which is fervently nationalistic.
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Post by BibleRiot on Jan 2, 2008 17:45:37 GMT -5
BasilMacedon, what a fascinating picture you paint of village life.
That's real Hellenism, not the racist spite propagated by the gutter press.
Dij, if this is Arhistos the world has turned upside down.
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Post by Pejoni on Jan 2, 2008 17:51:34 GMT -5
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Post by donnie on Jan 3, 2008 12:05:59 GMT -5
Dij, if this is Arhistos the world has turned upside down. Well it sort of has. You have snow caos in the Balkans whereas Scandinavia, until recently, was just having a long autumn.
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 3, 2008 12:36:30 GMT -5
axristo?? I'm 3 years in these forums honey...
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Post by donnie on Jan 3, 2008 12:43:03 GMT -5
Don't take it literally -----------. Your infatuation with "turkalbanians" is much alike axristo's obsession with the Muslim segment of our population. This outdated perception on inexistant sympathies and contempt for Greeks finely cut along religious lines is BS, and you sharing such ideas with axristo was what I was pointing out. You might just as well be the same person, although you clearly aren't.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 3, 2008 22:47:07 GMT -5
Donnie are you saying such an animal doesn't exist? I have read many a times where Albs proclaim their affinity to Turkey... and Turks.... here and other forums.... Maybe in your social circles it's a rarity...but we clearly see it all around us..... Don't get me started....
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 3, 2008 23:19:55 GMT -5
^^^ Affinity towards Turks is real, just not based on religious lines but on realpolitik.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 4, 2008 0:06:58 GMT -5
No..it's based on when you scaled the walls of Psara.... just a minor example....
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Post by donnie on Jan 4, 2008 1:00:15 GMT -5
Donnie are you saying such an animal doesn't exist? I have read many a times where Albs proclaim their affinity to Turkey... and Turks.... here and other forums.... Maybe in your social circles it's a rarity...but we clearly see it all around us..... Don't get me started.... The term "turkalbanian" is an artificial and political term with clear aims. One is to attempt dividing the Albanians on religious grounds, saying the Muslim Albanians are all sympathetic of Turks and their Orthodox counterpart are partisans of the Greek cause. Bullocks. The second is to portray us Muslim Albanians as agents of the Turks with completely similiar interests and ambitions. In reality, as Meltdown explained, it is about realpolitik. In regards to Greece our interests often submerge. It has nothing to do with your delusions about the 1820s. Our sympathies are not finely cut along religious lines. But I can see there's a temptation in wishing it was so for your part.
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 4, 2008 1:08:16 GMT -5
No, its based off of the fact that Turkey stated that it will recognize an independent Kosova while Greece said "more negotiations are necessary"(the typical pro-Serb response) and Cyprus, "we would not recognize Kosovo as independent even if you [Serbia] did".
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 4, 2008 1:21:23 GMT -5
The future of Kosovo will become an example like the Cyprus problem they may leave the kosovo problem in limbo for a while, for a couple of years unresolved
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Post by tripwire on Jan 4, 2008 1:28:55 GMT -5
The future of Kosovo will become an example like the Cyprus problem they may leave the kosovo problem in limbo for a while, for a couple of years unresolved Kosova isn't populated by a Greek majority, you seem to forget. It literally takes a Greek majority to turn peaceful Cyprus into a split martial state, frozen in time.
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Post by epiroti on Jan 4, 2008 10:16:20 GMT -5
"They are the ones who are today the new villagers. The church is again full every Sunday due to the fact they all convert to Orthodoxy."
They convert to Orthodoxy because they are well aware how religious you guys are, and because you aren't very keen to give jobs to Albanians with Turkish-sounding names (unfortunately the communist regime didn't do anything about that, like it did about religion - not to offend the turks here, but I prefer names of Illyrian origin much more). You still have't observed that Albs are not very religious?!
"The school is full due to the fact all became part of the Hellenic educational system."
What, you expect their kids not to go to school?!
"They are the ONLY ones who parrate in every national day! And they parrate... with PRIDE!" (Assuming that you are saying the truth here, and in the next paragraph) We have serviles too in our race. Many of the guys you are describing are poor Albanians villagers, who lived in real poverty back home, who have created a certain hatred against their nationality. They finally found a richer and more comfortable place to live at, and are ready to (really) change their identity in return. And others... to them it's just a game!
"Yeap! They dont allow other Albanians to move into that village! They allow only relatives or people from their old village back in Albania! They dont accept other Albanians.....especially the ones who call them "Turkalbanians".... in order not to disturb their beautifull life there."
They don't allow other Albanians because they don't want competition. And don't say "to disturb their beautiful life there" - say, to disturb their survival there. Why the hell are you making it political?! Turkalbanians?! It's simple. That concept exists ONLY in the mind of the nationalistic greeks.
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 4, 2008 12:00:08 GMT -5
^^ You cant force names on people. For the most part, Turkish names (Orhan, Cerciz etc.) in the country are starting to vanish; and religious ones (Mehmet, Ahmet, Osman, Sulejman etc. etc.) have become very very rare. Nationalist names are all over the place. Without a last name, its hard to tell what religion a person is anymore since most have nationalist names.
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Post by epiroti on Jan 4, 2008 12:41:13 GMT -5
I know someone cannot/shouldn't force names on people, but why should you use a foreign name when there are plenty illyrian/albanian names to be chosen from? Ok, there might be some exceptions here, one being because a certain foreign name sounds pleasant... but what's pleasant about names such as Murati?!
It is similar (but not exactly the same - looking at their reasons) to what's happenning to our language. Namely, using other words when the exact word exists in Albanian. I know, I know, I can't force people how to communicate neither. It's their right to choose, as it is my right to have a certain taste/opinion on the matter.
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 4, 2008 12:46:41 GMT -5
I dont like Murat either. It sounds too foreign.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 4, 2008 14:10:57 GMT -5
Melty ,do you even bother to read what you write... ?
You make it sound the Greeks and Albanians got this way because of Kosovo.. Kosovo is just a causality of this thing we have between us, Nato and the E.U. will be the causalities of the future. Greece has nothing to lose.... and nothing to gain.... but it will put a peace of wood in your spoked wheels ..just because it can..Nothing personal .
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 4, 2008 14:55:03 GMT -5
sure since the romans latinized and replace the hellenes from northen balkan it cant populated by greek mojority whta is the difference kosovo want enosis with albania the same did cyprus with greece today exist two greece's
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