Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 9, 2008 7:34:44 GMT -5
Great map. I remember in Monemvasia, in Lakonia, (South Peloponese, on the 3rd finger a very friendly and beautiful place), the people reminded me Cretans, and i mean a big deal. The ppl were exactly like Cretans, accent, attitude, everything. Now i know. Those guys are descendants of proud Spartans that could not accept the Serb rule, or the defeat from Serbs. That explains it. While the northern populations of Peloponese dont demonstrate that clear polemic, yet happy-friendly character of the Lakons.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 9, 2008 7:48:47 GMT -5
"Just a clue, i am copy/pasting by the Greek forum. There was a debate about the ancient slavs of Epiros. Some claimed them bulgarian but...."
Just remember that the Vardar lanuage evolved because of its near proximity to Greek lanuage, hence, why both Modern Bulgarian and Standard Vardarian (Prilep) dialect is basically the same because they both possess definite articles. A tribe called the Mijaks were the bridging people between the montenegrins and the Vardarians who inhabited Albania before they were forced eastward into vardar. The culture of the vardarians resembles peoples from Old Serbia and Montenegro. The torlakian dialect was once spoken in central and southern serbia, now only in the southeast and in some pockets of kosovo.
There is a Bulgarian by the name of Selishev who has a map which indicates all the Slavic derived cities of Albania, most of them are in the south of that country. Apparently a man by the name of Topi wants to replace these names with Albanian ones in the region around Korcha.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 9, 2008 8:00:41 GMT -5
"Great map." If they rubbed out the bits that extended into Greece, it would be so, l'm not proud of that actually!. "I remember in Monemvasia, in Lakonia, (South Peloponese, on the 3rd finger a very friendly and beautiful place), the people reminded me Cretans, and i mean a big deal. The ppl were exactly like Cretans, accent, attitude, everything. Now i know. Those guys are descendants of proud Spartans that could not accept the Serb rule, or the defeat from Serbs. That explains it. While the northern populations of Peloponese dont demonstrate that clear polemic, yet happy-friendly character of the Lakons." Pyrro, all the people are Greeks and rightly so ......l'm honored that the Greeks (fathers of civilisation) have a city named after the serbs called Servia in northern Greece . I've said in the past that those moronic slavs who call themselves a name that isn't theres will be punished, and seriously, l have no simpathy for them at all, stuff them because they get a closed door from me
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 9, 2008 8:18:43 GMT -5
In Giannena we also have a village called "Serviana", and its just 3-4 km away from town, on the Giannena-Arta-Athina road! We went there to spy anything Serb but we couldn't find anything, damned!
We also have Zagori, in Ipiros, in Thesally there is Zagora.
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Post by c0gnate on Apr 9, 2008 9:11:10 GMT -5
Not without interest, in this connection, are the observations made on the spot by Professor Franz Doflein, who was engaged in geological research. A German geologist is making comments about the ethnic differences between Serbs and Bulgars? Why would anyone pay attention to the comments of a foreigner whose training has nothing to do with the subject?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 9, 2008 9:33:41 GMT -5
Yo cognate my man, i dont remember you saying anything of this kind when i argued with BigBlackbeast in illyria.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=hellasgreece&action=display&thread=1201597837&page=2I questioned BBB's sources as you do now with Franz Doflein, but not because they were germanic or did another profession, but because the intuitive interpretation of the current situation does not reflect anything they wrote. I remember you were following the above thread if i am not mistaken. Whats your problem here?
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Post by c0gnate on Apr 9, 2008 9:39:44 GMT -5
Yo cognate my man, i dont remember you saying anything of this kind when i argued with BigBlackbeast in illyria.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=hellasgreece&action=display&thread=1201597837&page=2I questioned BBB's sources as you do now with Franz Doflein, but not because they were germanic or did another profession, but because the intuitive interpretation of the current situation does not reflect anything they wrote. I remember you were following the above thread if i am not mistaken. Whats your problem here? Excuse me? Exactly where did I accept the field research of a non-expert as significant?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 9, 2008 9:59:53 GMT -5
Excuse me, is a "degree" the only certificate you acknowledge? Ha ha, the very well known "Noam Chomski" was not a philosopher all his life. He was a mathematician dealing with languages, compilers, syntaxes, automata, normal forms (the famous NCNF) etc... Should he be banned from learning/speaking about anything else? How do you judge the above professor as non-expert?
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Post by c0gnate on Apr 9, 2008 10:18:09 GMT -5
How do you judge the above professor as non-expert? The citation itself says the good professor was "engaged in geological research". What does geology have to do with linguistic and ethnic differences in the Balkans, or anywhere? If you needed your appendix removed, would you have gone to him?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 9, 2008 13:12:35 GMT -5
So Noam Chomski should abandon philosophy/politics, since he has been an professor of applied mathematics, which doesn't have to do anything with politics? As far as geological research is concerned, this could be a useful tool in archaeological research. Any tool of science could be proven valuable, and most importantly the common denominator of all scientific fields: LOGIC.
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Post by c0gnate on Apr 9, 2008 14:52:01 GMT -5
So Noam Chomski should abandon philosophy/politics, since he has been an professor of applied mathematics, which doesn't have to do anything with politics? As far as geological research is concerned, this could be a useful tool in archaeological research. Any tool of science could be proven valuable, and most importantly the common denominator of all scientific fields: LOGIC. Pyrros, Better leave Chomsky out of this. As to the connection between geology and archeology, who said anything about archeology? The good German geologist was commenting about language, specifically whether local dialects were more Serbian or more Bulgarian. No sifting through shards of pottery, nor drilling for oil, nor digging for coal or copper.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 9, 2008 15:20:01 GMT -5
This whole topic is ludacris, Macedonian slavs are just one thing, Macedonian slavs.
In every aspect, historically, culturally, linguistically and ideologically.
Perhaps their history and/or ancestry is a bit mixed, sure, but all modern nations have went through the same process.
France if you look back far enough was just a mix of Germanics and Latins, but today they are called "French", are you going to dispute that the French ethnicity doesn't exist now??
Be happy that there is diversity in this world, everyone should be able to express themselves their own ways, this is the only way to preserve our diverse and interesting cultures.
How boring would it be if the whole balkans was one uniformed group? Pih, thank god its a melting pot! Much more interesting and beautiful in my opinion!
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Post by Edlund on Apr 9, 2008 16:31:46 GMT -5
"I would highly appreciate if you point me how you distinguish between 'Slav Bulgars' and 'Turkic Bulgars'." Simple, ones who have inherited mongolic influences. You have even shown images of Vardarians displaying such influences.
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Post by pagane on Apr 9, 2008 17:13:57 GMT -5
Now we have one thing for sure - Serbs are more Mongoloid than the so-called 'Turkic Bulgars". It is Novi's turn to show a picture of a Bulgarian athlete with such remarkable Mongol features. If he fails, I fing all his posts as nothing. Not that I agree with a single sentence in them but anyway...
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Post by Banatski on Apr 9, 2008 17:54:17 GMT -5
Now we have one thing for sure - Serbs are more Mongoloid than the so-called 'Turkic Bulgars". It is Novi's turn to show a picture of a Bulgarian athlete with such remarkable Mongol features. If he fails, I fing all his posts as nothing. Not that I agree with a single sentence in them but anyway... Honestly, without any wish to insult, I've noticed Bulgarians tend to be darker than the Serbs... I can say that's the difference I noticed. And about mongolism.. Well, Jelena Jankovic is a great athlete and a great person, but her look is simply not typical for a Serb.. Any person who visited Serbia knows that's so. You shouldn't waste time looking for exceptions that are very much rare. I've seen Bulgarians having mongolid features, if you really want to see that I will find the pics (although it's a time waste, there is no logic in your concluding anyway).
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Post by terroreign on Apr 9, 2008 17:58:07 GMT -5
Here we got some more Serbs!
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Post by pagane on Apr 9, 2008 17:59:35 GMT -5
Living in Bulgaria and not having found this Mongol features so far, I find it interesting if you found me such pictures. Thank you in advance.
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Post by Banatski on Apr 9, 2008 18:22:36 GMT -5
Living in Bulgaria and not having found this Mongol features so far, I find it interesting if you found me such pictures. Thank you in advance. Sure, I will try to find them.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 9, 2008 19:36:00 GMT -5
^ apparently 5% of Bulgaria's population is classified as a Turanid?.....aadmin can confirm this for me.
Yes, Yankovic looks mongol possibly a decendant from a Avar?
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Post by ljubotan on Apr 9, 2008 20:30:49 GMT -5
Hey Novi, hope all is well:)
I wanted to ask you on your comments:
'A tribe called the Mijaks were the bridging people between the montenegrins and the Vardarians who inhabited Albania before they were forced eastward into vardar. The culture of the vardarians resembles peoples from Old Serbia and Montenegro. The torlakian dialect was once spoken in central and southern serbia, now only in the southeast and in some pockets of kosovo. '
Where did these Mijak Slavs come from prior to landing in N.Albania? I thought I read they settled N.W Macedonia(Gora, Sar mountain areas), but was not aware of N.albania? What exactly do you feel resembles most about Vardarians and Old Serb/Montenegro? I did not know that torlakian was spoken in Sumadija as well, only that up to Nis and Leskovac? I did read somewhere how there were many old words we currently use in NW Mak that are also used in Montenegro. I thought that was odd, because we're seperated by the Albanians and wondered how the 2 peoples had specific vocabularies linked? For instance, for last year we say 'lani' but Montenegrins also use this word. Share your thoughts/knowledge..thanks
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