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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 10, 2008 19:46:48 GMT -5
In 19th century Slavonia extended into present day Serbia. And who knows, maybe someone will create a board game so we can reconquer lost land. All of the land of today's "Croatia" is on loan from Austria and/or Hungary. You have no legal or historical right to claim any "lost" land especially since today's "Croatia" is at best a creation of Tito and at worst a creation of Tudjman.
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Post by Fender on Dec 10, 2008 21:08:51 GMT -5
In 19th century Slavonia extended into present day Serbia. And who knows, maybe someone will create a board game so we can reconquer lost land. All of the land of today's "Croatia" is on loan from Austria and/or Hungary. You have no legal or historical right to claim any "lost" land especially since today's "Croatia" is at best a creation of Tito and at worst a creation of Tudjman. You are off the mark here sunshine.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 10, 2008 21:39:05 GMT -5
No, I'm very much correct. Historically the land belongs to Austrians and Hungarians. Legally the land belongs to Serbs. I am writing about Krajina in case there is any confusion.
But concerning the modern state of "Croatia" (as a whole), it was created and maintained by foreign states. Its current borders were drawn by Tito (based loosely on the division of the land between/within Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire) and realised by Tudjman (who was heavily supported by foreign states).
Sorry to break the news to you, Sunshine.
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Post by CiKoLa on Dec 10, 2008 22:17:59 GMT -5
Legally the land belongs to Serbs.
The serbs arrived in the 15th century, migrating into Croatian lands. While the Croats were there since the 7th. How does that make it yours?
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 10, 2008 22:59:34 GMT -5
Austrians (i.e. the legal owners of the territory now known as Krajina) gave the land to Serbs in exchange for military service. In other words, the Serbs bought the land legally.
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Post by CiKoLa on Dec 10, 2008 23:21:54 GMT -5
Austria-Hungary may have invited the serbs to settle there, but thats about it.
Show me the title ?!
P.S it belongs to whomever can defend it.
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Post by Zvone on Dec 10, 2008 23:45:26 GMT -5
Can't wait till Turkey reclaims Serbia...
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Post by karabin on Dec 10, 2008 23:46:47 GMT -5
P.S it belongs to whomever can defend it. Well with that in mind, then Croatia belongs to NATO. Whichever way you put it, you cannot hid the fact that you have not defended anything ever since your sorry asses started existing and sucking up to present (at that time) super powers. Sad indeed.
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Post by Zvone on Dec 10, 2008 23:52:29 GMT -5
That's not true karabatak!
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 11, 2008 0:24:18 GMT -5
Austria-Hungary may have invited the serbs to settle there, but thats about it. No, they exchanged land for services. That's called "selling" the land. Go ask a Krajina Serb (sic) for it. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to oblige. P.S it belongs to whomever can defend it. If I remember correctly: The Kingdom of Hungary and the Kingdom of Croatia merged into one entity through a royal marriage. That's a little bit more sensible than your "might is right" mindset. Can't wait till Turkey reclaims Serbia... Turkey invaded Serbia/Bosnia/Montenegro and stole the land so its not the same thing... not even close.
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 11, 2008 0:31:05 GMT -5
the only reason why there were any percentage of serbs on CROATIAN land is us leting you in fleeing the ottomans. obviously you are bad guests LMAO Croats invited Serbs in? lol when the Turks came in the Croats fled seeking safety some even going as far as Austria, Serbs (and Vlachs) then came in and became frontiersmen for the Habsburgs in exchange for land and liberty. Being a bad guest is defending your land for you? haa
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Post by CiKoLa on Dec 11, 2008 0:41:50 GMT -5
Being a bad guest is defending your land for you? haa
at least u admit it is ours.
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Post by tiprat on Dec 11, 2008 4:06:44 GMT -5
SKORIC
we fled ay? thats why we are the "ramparts of europe"
the ottomans conqured serbia and was defeated in croatia my man.
we let you in, as good peopel do....just like we let serbs in when bulgaria was pouding you back in the day....
and yes in the "battle of the bosnian highlands" we defeated them too.
SKORIC.....propaganda will be the death of serbia....unfortunently
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Post by bog on Dec 11, 2008 4:20:51 GMT -5
if you buy the collectors edition of the game you get a srbosijek-knife with it....
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 11, 2008 5:50:41 GMT -5
SKORIC we fled ay? thats why we are the "ramparts of europe" lol? Yes by mostly Krajina Serbs....my man No you didnt. During the period of the Ottoman-Habsburg wars there was constant population migrations in the territory of modern-day Croatia. The Habsburgs created the Military Frontier out of territory of the Croatian Crown as a defense against the Turks, and greatly expanded it further upon reconquering large territories the Ottomans conquered from Croatia. The Frontier (i.e. the "Vojna Krajina") was mostly inhabited by Serbs and Vlachs the Turks had settled there. Large numbers of Croats abandoned their homes and moved northward seeking safety, some even going out of Croatia altogether into Austria. The Ottomans, on the other hand were settling, first orthodox Vlachs, and then Serbs in the area.
The Serbs fled to the Austrian side of the border due to Turkish persecution, and became frontiersmen for the Habsburgs in exchange for land and liberty. The only requirement for their permanent stay in the region was to serve a certain amount of years in the Habsburg army, after which they would be granted land, becoming free peasants. Serbs were thus regarded as some kind of military class.
The Military Frontier was a separate political unit created from the territory of the Kingdom of Croatia for the protection of Habsburg lands against constant Ottoman raids and attacks. At the beginning of the 1880s it was returned to civilian Croatia. Serbian and Vlachs frontiersmen defended the Habsburg provinces from the Turks. In the territory that was part of the Military Frontier, the Serbs constituted an ethnic majority; this remained so until the Croatian War of Independence.
The area of the Military Frontier was reunited with the Kingdom of Croatia and Slavonia in the year 1881 after Bosnia and Herzegovina had been occupied by Austro-Hungary. Until the unification with Croatia, the Military Frontier Vice-Ban was always of Serb nationality. During the last two decades of the 19th century Croatian Ban (Viceroy) Khuen Hedervary (a Hungarian), relied on Serb parties in the Croatian parliament to maintain a governing majority. Because of this the Serbs came to occupy a disproportionate share of civil service posts in Croatia, causing resentment on the part of the majority Croatian population.
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 11, 2008 6:34:15 GMT -5
Sorry i just had to quote this again lol
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Post by CiKoLa on Dec 11, 2008 7:31:17 GMT -5
silly serbs ... they still think they can turn back time.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 11, 2008 7:35:59 GMT -5
Silly Cikola, he thinks Oluja was permanent.
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Post by tiprat on Dec 11, 2008 16:16:31 GMT -5
serbs played a part in the defence, yes that is true. but the croats and the austrians were the main bulk off defence into rest of europe.....its well documented ....read things that arent written by serbs.....maybe you will find out why croats are called "the ramparts if europe" it is well recorded in the vatican.....i know you guys dont like that place but they hold a hell of alot of history.
ill give serbia 10 points for been the first to rebel within the ottoman empire though.
we let you in then, and when the bulgarians slammed serbia..."battle of the bosnian highlands" research that.
i wish serbs werent so into propaganda and hypacritical
Knin is yours....and so is kosovo? that is VERY hypacritcal
all this rubish at the end of the day as we are seeing leads to a weak and shrinking serbia.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 11, 2008 18:42:38 GMT -5
Kosovo and Krajina legally belong to Serbs. Serbs were kicked off those lands by force even though they owned the land. Now there are squatters living on both lands but not for long.
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