CiKoLa
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Post by CiKoLa on Dec 11, 2008 18:55:53 GMT -5
Kosovo and Krajina legally belong to Serbs. Serbs were kicked off those lands by force even though they owned the land. Now there are squatters living on both lands but not for long. i suppose you will be taking on NATO now?
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 11, 2008 19:02:17 GMT -5
i suppose you will be taking on NATO now? NATO will last as long as America's oversees empire lasts (i.e. not for long). But the problem isn't who we face (for Serbs can defeat anyone and anything as long as they remain united and determined) but who will lead us. Also, I love how Croats/Shqiptars use NATO as some kind of deterrent because they are hopeless at warring.
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Post by CiKoLa on Dec 11, 2008 19:27:03 GMT -5
i suppose you will be taking on NATO now? NATO will last as long as America's oversees empire lasts (i.e. not for long). But the problem isn't who we face (for Serbs can defeat anyone and anything as long as they remain united and determined) but who will lead us. Also, I love how Croats/Shqiptars use NATO as some kind of deterrent because they are hopeless at warring. hopeless at warring? serbs can defeat anyone? Now that doesn't even warrant a response.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 11, 2008 20:01:34 GMT -5
hopeless at warring? serbs can defeat anyone? Now that doesn't even warrant a response. Yet you responded. Basically: It took Croats and Muslims around 4 years to commit a lasting offensive against Serbs even though Croat/Muslim forces outnumbered Serb forces by 3 to 1 and the offensive was only successful because the vast majority of Serb forces left beforehand. And this was only after RSK/RSB were under a year long trade embargo from Yugoslavia and after Croats/Muslims were given tremendous amounts of foreign help including logistics and safe havens. Shqiptars on the other hand couldn't even make a successful offensive even after a quarter of the world was helping them out. So -even when Serbs are divided- we are still awesome at warring (at least compared to our neighbours).
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Post by CiKoLa on Dec 11, 2008 20:20:12 GMT -5
^^ just not to good at winning
the vast majority of Serb forces left beforehand.
tako je
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Post by vinjak on Dec 11, 2008 20:41:53 GMT -5
^^ just not to good at winning
Against America the military Superpower ...yep you are correct. If Oluja was only a Croat offensive and Milosevic did not pull out Serbian forces and recorces you and yours would be crossing yourselves wth three fingers now.
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Post by CiKoLa on Dec 11, 2008 20:52:20 GMT -5
^^ peddling the same ol crap ... i see.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 11, 2008 20:52:22 GMT -5
Better at warring, better fighters lol. What a load of crap to argue over.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 11, 2008 20:55:47 GMT -5
If Milosevic actually gave a damn about preserving Yugoslavia (or even creating the so-called "Greater Serbia") in 1991, then that period would have been known as a revolt and not a war.
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Post by tiprat on Dec 12, 2008 0:48:27 GMT -5
So Kosovo is historically Serbian and 90% Muslim And krajina isn’t historically Croatian? Kign Zvonimir didn’t have his castle there? HYPACRITICAL
Serbs are good at losing wars…….so I don’t know how she will do all your claim she will.
Serbia will never prosper till you guys except reality of where the country went WRONG.
4 years to make a defence? Yes Serbia had the JNA….Croats had nothing…..they got there shit together and took it back in 48 hours…..OLUJA! Now that is something be proud off, from no army or weapons to OLJUA.
So whos fault is oluja? The croats or the Americans? Make up your mind? Did we make you leave? Or the Americans?....perhaps its time to stop playing the blame game and have a good long hard look at yourselves………..before your country falls apart further.
I wish for Serbia to be strong, but it will never happen till you except reality of where she went wrong.
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 12, 2008 0:56:04 GMT -5
Lol nice poem. Anyways to clear it up i dont think Krajina or Kosovo should be independent. Im saying to you that you didnt let us in back in the 1500's, the Habsburgs did and we had to earn living there by fighting against the Ottomans. You were making it out as if Croats had such good hearts that they felt sorry for us and gave us their homes LOL get over yourselves. You cant even spell good "peopel" let alone be one
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Post by radovic on Dec 12, 2008 0:58:46 GMT -5
And Croats are good at attacking Krajina at a rate of 1:1 to 1:2 troops per inhabitant and claiming it as some kind of great v ictory,. It's kind of like if America attacked Iraq with 10 million troops and claimed it as a great victory.
Serbs are good at winning wars, our enemies are pussies and rely on nations 40 times our size to defeat us for them. The Croats needed Aemrican assistance, the Bosnians did too as did the Albanians.
Yet, Japan and Austria after WWII all became prosperous by not doing what their enemies wanted them to do. Long live Japan and Austria. Same can be said about post-Franco Spain.
Except the JNA withdrew from the country and the Serbs were udner an arms embargo and Krajina was too far away for JNA to actually help them.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 12, 2008 2:06:29 GMT -5
So Kosovo is historically Serbian and 90% Muslim And krajina isn’t historically Croatian? Kign Zvonimir didn’t have his castle there? HYPACRITICAL Not quite: Serbs were 90% of the population around a century ago just like Serbs were 90% the population of Krajina around 2 decades ago. Just because there are squatters on Serb land, doesn't mean its their land. Serbia will never prosper till you guys except reality of where the country went WRONG. Well Serbia isn't my country but I accept that Srbijanci went wrong by electing an isolationist called Milosevic who should have done everything humanly possible to support Krajisnici and Bosanci in their fight. Instead he did the exact opposite. Of course, all that isolation finally came to bite them in the ass in 1999. So the lesson is: If Serbs continue to avoid war, we will be driven, assimilated and eventually destroyed as a people so the only viable option is to fight. Those Serbs who wish to avoid war in the future are either delusional or simply wish for Serbdom to be destroyed. Yes, war is horrendous and tragic but you only have two options: Fight or die. At least the former gives us a chance. 4 years to make a defence? Yes Serbia had the JNA….Croats had nothing…..they got there s**t together and took it back in 48 hours…..OLUJA! Now that is something be proud off, from no army or weapons to OLJUA. Croats had 300,000 soldiers. Serbs had 100,000 soldiers and two JNA divisions (roughly 20,000 soldiers). This was at the beginning of the war. Serbs had the initial advantage because Croats had 180,000 more soldiers than Serbs? That's insane.
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Post by karabin on Dec 12, 2008 3:47:38 GMT -5
Cikola has a new member in his club, tiprat. During weekly get together they play the 1995 oluja board game. Boy they must be having a blast.
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Post by MiG on Dec 12, 2008 3:53:55 GMT -5
Can you provide me the sources where you got that information from. Once you do, I'll provide you with 10 more that disprove that claim. FFS Dude, how many times must you and I go over this? The war, the statistics, the order of battle for all SR's of Ex-SRFJ, including SFRJ 1988-1991.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 12, 2008 4:36:22 GMT -5
I'll provide you with 10 more that disprove that claim. Less talk, more statistics.
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Post by tiprat on Dec 14, 2008 16:16:05 GMT -5
“Just because there are squatters on Serb land, doesn't mean its their land.”
My point exactly…….but fark that is hypocritical to say that on your behalf!
I see your point about “war” serbs cant seem to live without it unfortunately. I believe Serbia got routed with Kosovo as I believe its Serbian land but you reep what you sew. I basically dont care it happened though because you did the same to others but unsuccessfully.
I love the point about “croats had 3000 thousand soldiers blah blah”…..come on Serbia was incontrol of the JNA and croatia had nothing and eventually came from the ashes, after tragedy’s like vukovar…………………don’t give me the “serbs had nothing story”
Everyone in the Balkans suffers from propaganda, but serbs are the “gods” of propaganda unfortunately you guys are best at fooling yourselves and not others.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 14, 2008 18:26:47 GMT -5
“Just because there are squatters on Serb land, doesn't mean its their land.” My point exactly…….but fark that is hypocritical to say that on your behalf! Krajina Serbs were given the land in Krajina for military services. In other words they were given land in exchange for services. In other words the land was legally sold to Serbs. I love the point about “croats had 3000 thousand soldiers blah blah”…..come on Serbia was incontrol of the JNA and croatia had nothing and eventually came from the ashes, after tragedy’s like vukovar…………………don’t give me the “serbs had nothing story” So 2 (two) JNA divisions (around 20,000 soldiers) is worth more than 180,000 Croat soldiers? I didn't realise that. Now get lost.
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Post by CiKoLa on Dec 14, 2008 20:21:33 GMT -5
Krajina Serbs were given the land in Krajina for military services. In other words they were given land in exchange for services. In other words the land was legally sold to Serbs.
One of my mates 'invited' me to house sit his home a few weeks back. Imagine his surprise had i claimed that he legally sold his home to me ... and now it was legally mine. Haha.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 14, 2008 20:35:30 GMT -5
Unless your friend told you that he would give you the house in exchange of your service in his military, its not the same thing.
And could you please f**k off and die because I'm sick of treating "people" like you.
Its seems to me that Cikola doesn't understand what buying and selling land is. His rule is force. If you can get it by force than its yours. Might is right, et cetera. Cikola and his ilk belong in the Stone Age.
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