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Post by PrijesDardanian on Dec 18, 2008 17:43:52 GMT -5
dude did you read history of battle of Kosova's? except all Balcan people also were Polish,Hungarians and some Dutchs in First Kosova's Battle. About Second Kosova Battle's II (1448) were only Albanians/Hungarians againt Serbo-Othomans Aliance. Did notice why serbs never mention Kosova Battle's II ? Oh this is gold lololol It was a coalition between Brankovic and Hunyadi HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH I can't beleive that...even you vinyak have not idea about Kosova II battle? please can you explain that coalition "Brankovic and Hunyadi' ?
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Post by vinjak on Dec 18, 2008 17:46:40 GMT -5
Yes I can it was Brankovic,Hunyadi and Cesarini. Army comprised o Hungarians, Serbs, Romanians and it was the Wallachians that deserted which caused the Defeat.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 18, 2008 17:48:11 GMT -5
OK, so now we have two Albanians who are saying that Serbs did not arrive in Kosovo until after the year 1500, over 100 years after the battle of Kosovo. I suppose Serbs must have just sneakily built all our monasteries like Visoki Decani (1330) & then split. And of course we should be able to find Albanian institutions older than this right? This is completely commical. I honestly thought that Albanian's would be able to come up with something. Honestly guys wtf. All Monastyres in Kosova have Byzantine style (nothing slavic) exp Decan's Monastir and all were Albanian/venetian/Byzantines before serbian emperor Dusan embezzlemented all. Um what are you saying? That the Serbian Orthodox monasteries in Kosovo are Albanian? That doesn't even make sense. The Serbian Orthodox Church has been specifically autocephalous since 1219 when Saint Sava won it's independence.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Dec 18, 2008 18:18:35 GMT -5
Yes I can it was Brankovic,Hunyadi and Cesarini. Where you seen this funny staf.....was not Đurađ Branković c who hepled othomans to foght againt Skanderbeg?...hahaha how can be aliance with hanuady when he foght againt him? and Albanians? www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Battle-of-Kosovo-(1448)
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Post by vinjak on Dec 18, 2008 18:21:42 GMT -5
No Brankovic was with Hunyadi and as I mentioned the army was made up of Hungarians Serbs and Wallachians (Romanians)
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Post by Duke John on Dec 18, 2008 18:31:04 GMT -5
This is really funny, can we have some sources for this? Do you people really need to twist so many facts to feel more important and influential? Hold up...you need sources to tell you the other balkan kingdoms/people also fought in the battle of kosovo? You serious? I suppose you also need someone to tell you serbs fought on BOTH sides. Isnt it funny Kapetan? do you find this serbian epic song weird Boj Na Kosovu where they mention albanians and troops of Lek Kapetan from Dukagjin! ;D
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 18, 2008 20:50:05 GMT -5
So I'll summarize where it's at with my posts which are being ignored by the Albanian's. It seems to me they prefer trolling & exchanging stupid insults with highduke...
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The earliest referenced records on Kosovo's demographics, the Decani Charter shows a massive Serbian majority in Kosovo...
The Deèani Charter from 1330 contained a detailed list of households and chartered villages in Metohija and northwestern Albania: 3 of 89 settlements were Albanian, the other being Serb.
Subsequent records on Kosovo's demoographics are held by the Turks eg;
1455: Turkish cadastral tax census of the Brankovic dynasty lands (covering 80% of present-day Kosovo) recorded 480 villages, 13,693 adult males, 12,985 dwellings, 14,087 household heads (480 widows and 13,607 adult males). Totally there were around 75,000 inhabitants in 590 villages comprising modern-day Kosovo. By ethnicity:
13,000 Serb dwellings present in all 480 villages and towns 75 Vlach dwellings in 34 villages 46 Albanian dwellings in 23 villages 17 Bulgarian dwellings in 10 villages 5 Greek dwellings in Lauša, Vuèitrn 1 Jewish dwelling in Vuèitrn 1 Croat dwelling
Approximately 90% Serbs.
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Now, after referring to this information, we have two Albanians (Kassowonderful & Pejoni) saying that Serbs arrived in Kosovo 500 years ago when it was 1510. They referenced absolutely no information to refer to this claim & obviously it's completely fvcking stupid since it contradicts the above reference for a start. Completely ridiculous & seriously embarrassing 1.
Secondly, I had ilirdardani who did not disagree with this information but what I can gather from filtering through the poor grammar is that he's saying that prior to Serbs being the massive majority in the 14th century, Albanian's lived all the way up to Beograd prior to this & they were pushed down by the slavic migrations. Once again he's referenced no information. Completely ridiculous & seriously embarrassing 2.
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Post by vinjak on Dec 18, 2008 21:05:29 GMT -5
^^^^^
Yeh I dont know what happened to Ilirdadani this member was inteligent and his posts where great to read but recently the nationalistic bug has infected him and thus we get stupid and ridiculous claims, I think some of the more stupid and hardcore Albs have gotten to him its quite a shame, from being someone who could think for himself we now have another one with a sheep mentality.
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Post by Duke John on Dec 18, 2008 21:05:47 GMT -5
But tell me why in the hell there are Albanians in Boj na Kosovu 1389 epic song?
Lmao...
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Post by vinjak on Dec 18, 2008 21:08:12 GMT -5
Why the Lmao ? Its been discussed here many times that the army that stood before the ottomans had Christain Albanian people also as did other nationalitys. so you havnt discovered anything new Also the Ottomans had many different Nationalitys in there ranks including sold out Serbs. So whats the Lmao about ? the Minority of brave Albanans that chose to stand with the Christian army should have poems and songs written about them but its the Majority that stood with the Ottomans that should have been destroyed.
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Post by Pejoni on Dec 18, 2008 21:14:52 GMT -5
Yes you did, you sure as hell dont know your own history. OK, so now we have two Albanians who are saying that Serbs did not arrive in Kosovo until after the year 1500, over 100 years after the battle of Kosovo. I suppose Serbs must have just sneakily built all our monasteries like Visoki Decani (1330) & then split. And of course we should be able to find Albanian institutions older than this right? This is completely commical. I honestly thought that Albanian's would be able to come up with something. Honestly guys wtf. I'm just scratching my head going do Pejoni & Kassowonderful not know math maybe? I did not say you didnt arrived befor the battle of Kosova, but you also came after. Fact is, ottoman empire ethnic cleansed every living soil just after the war, Albanians and Serb did arrive back later on.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 18, 2008 21:14:54 GMT -5
Albanians helped out. Good on you guys. Respect!
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 18, 2008 21:56:26 GMT -5
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Post by raynon on Dec 18, 2008 22:00:50 GMT -5
You serbs r just jealous because, we have genetic proof of our existence on this Illyrian peninsula 4400 years prior to anyone ever knowing anything called slav. And these studies were done by int'l teams, not even balkan ones.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 18, 2008 23:27:28 GMT -5
You serbs r just jealous because, we have genetic proof of our existence on this Illyrian peninsula 4400 years prior to anyone ever knowing anything called slav. And these studies were done by int'l teams, not even balkan ones. Trolling! Selective quoting & does not address the points on my previous email. I dare you to write something about the topic. Show me some alternative information that would demonstrate that Serbs were not an over 90% majority in Kosovo in the 14th century. Show me that Albanians were the majority instead. Show me that Serbs kicked you out. Anything. I'm willing to listen. BTW Serbs are not jealous of Albanian's since we are much higher achievers in any given theme - sport, science, architecture itd... Even if Serbs arrived yesterday from Japan you can't take away our achievements. Also, we love our slavic association. The more slavic, the better as far as I'm concerned... ...now I'm trolling. Admin needs to delete this & previous post. Looks like this topic is pretty much showing (through lack of any opposition) that Serbs where the first major group (ethnic or cultural) to emerge in Kosovo, & a massive majority at that.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 18, 2008 23:34:05 GMT -5
OK, so now we have two Albanians who are saying that Serbs did not arrive in Kosovo until after the year 1500, over 100 years after the battle of Kosovo. I suppose Serbs must have just sneakily built all our monasteries like Visoki Decani (1330) & then split. And of course we should be able to find Albanian institutions older than this right? This is completely commical. I honestly thought that Albanian's would be able to come up with something. Honestly guys wtf. I'm just scratching my head going do Pejoni & Kassowonderful not know math maybe? I did not say you didnt arrived befor the battle of Kosova, but you also came after. Fact is, ottoman empire ethnic cleansed every living soil just after the war, Albanians and Serb did arrive back later on. That's what you were either insinuating or you were trying to deflect from from the main point which is that Serbs were the massive majority in Kosovo going from it's earliest records. Reply to my post properly & address the said point shown. Serbs were over 90% of Kosovo's population before the Turks arrived. Now we are less than 10%. Who did the Turks cleanse?
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 18, 2008 23:41:15 GMT -5
So I'll summarize where it's at with my posts which are being ignored by the Albanian's. It seems to me they prefer trolling & exchanging stupid insults with highduke... ------------------- The earliest referenced records on Kosovo's demographics, the Decani Charter shows a massive Serbian majority in Kosovo... The Deèani Charter from 1330 contained a detailed list of households and chartered villages in Metohija and northwestern Albania: 3 of 89 settlements were Albanian, the other being Serb. Subsequent records on Kosovo's demoographics are held by the Turks eg; 1455: Turkish cadastral tax census of the Brankovic dynasty lands (covering 80% of present-day Kosovo) recorded 480 villages, 13,693 adult males, 12,985 dwellings, 14,087 household heads (480 widows and 13,607 adult males). Totally there were around 75,000 inhabitants in 590 villages comprising modern-day Kosovo. By ethnicity: 13,000 Serb dwellings present in all 480 villages and towns 75 Vlach dwellings in 34 villages 46 Albanian dwellings in 23 villages 17 Bulgarian dwellings in 10 villages 5 Greek dwellings in Lauša, Vuèitrn 1 Jewish dwelling in Vuèitrn 1 Croat dwelling Approximately 90% Serbs. -------------------------------------------------- Now, after referring to this information, we have two Albanians (Kassowonderful & Pejoni) saying that Serbs arrived in Kosovo 500 years ago when it was 1510. They referenced absolutely no information to refer to this claim & obviously it's completely fvcking stupid since it contradicts the above reference for a start. Completely ridiculous & seriously embarrassing 1. Secondly, I had ilirdardani who did not disagree with this information but what I can gather from filtering through the poor grammar is that he's saying that prior to Serbs being the massive majority in the 14th century, Albanian's lived all the way up to Beograd prior to this & they were pushed down by the slavic migrations. Once again he's referenced no information. Completely ridiculous & seriously embarrassing 2. Please address.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Dec 19, 2008 2:35:08 GMT -5
Well there was the ancestors of the Albanians the Illyrian tribe Dardanoi, then the serbs invaded and colonized some of the region and then albanians took what was theirs.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 19, 2008 2:39:47 GMT -5
Well there was the ancestors of the Albanians the Illyrian tribe Dardanoi, then the serbs invaded and colonized some of the region and then albanians took what was theirs. Who, when, what, how many? How did the Serbs drive them out? Reference?
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Dec 19, 2008 8:38:44 GMT -5
So I'll summarize where it's at with my posts which are being ignored by the Albanian's. It seems to me they prefer trolling & exchanging stupid insults with highduke... ------------------- The earliest referenced records on Kosovo's demographics, the Decani Charter shows a massive Serbian majority in Kosovo... The Deèani Charter from 1330 contained a detailed list of households and chartered villages in Metohija and northwestern Albania: 3 of 89 settlements were Albanian, the other being Serb. Subsequent records on Kosovo's demoographics are held by the Turks eg; 1455: Turkish cadastral tax census of the Brankovic dynasty lands (covering 80% of present-day Kosovo) recorded 480 villages, 13,693 adult males, 12,985 dwellings, 14,087 household heads (480 widows and 13,607 adult males). Totally there were around 75,000 inhabitants in 590 villages comprising modern-day Kosovo. By ethnicity: 13,000 Serb dwellings present in all 480 villages and towns 75 Vlach dwellings in 34 villages 46 Albanian dwellings in 23 villages 17 Bulgarian dwellings in 10 villages 5 Greek dwellings in Lauša, Vuèitrn 1 Jewish dwelling in Vuèitrn 1 Croat dwelling Approximately 90% Serbs. -------------------------------------------------- Now, after referring to this information, we have two Albanians (Kassowonderful & Pejoni) saying that Serbs arrived in Kosovo 500 years ago when it was 1510. They referenced absolutely no information to refer to this claim & obviously it's completely fvcking stupid since it contradicts the above reference for a start. Completely ridiculous & seriously embarrassing 1. Secondly, I had ilirdardani who did not disagree with this information but what I can gather from filtering through the poor grammar is that he's saying that prior to Serbs being the massive majority in the 14th century, Albanian's lived all the way up to Beograd prior to this & they were pushed down by the slavic migrations. Once again he's referenced no information. Completely ridiculous & seriously embarrassing 2. Please address. How many times i have discussed about this joke issue...this article is fake (from taked from wikipedia without reference) because all Othoman/Turkish and Venetian (even Serbian) Catestdal showed absolutely Majority of Albanians in Kosova. I am waiting give me source???.... where say those joke? because in Turkish Cadestral 1455 (they dont mention ethnicity of people only religions which 70% of names were Albanian and 20% Byzantino/Latin)
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