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Post by depletedreasons on Dec 14, 2007 4:16:12 GMT -5
Greek historian convicted over book denying the HolocaustBy The Associated Press Tags: Holocaust, Greece Last update - 19:09 13/12/2007 A far-right Greek historian was sentenced to 14 months in prison Thursday for inciting racial hatred with a book that denies the Holocaust took place, court officials said. Historian Costas Plevris appealed his sentence and was not taken into custody. A three-member panel of judges voted 2-1 to find Plevris guilty of inciting violence and racial hatred. The court cleared three other defendants of similar charges: the publisher, the editor and a journalist at a small right-wing magazine that published extracts from the book. Greek Jewish community leaders had testified that Plevris' book The Jews: The whole truth has led to an increase in attacks on Jewish monuments in the country. Plevris protested to the court that his right to free speech had been violated. It was the first trial in Greece on the recently introduced incitement charges. An estimated 60,000 Greek Jews, most of the country's prewar Jewish population, were killed by the Nazis during World War II. www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=934426&contrassID=1&subContrassID=1
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Post by Niklianos on Dec 14, 2007 19:10:48 GMT -5
Well I don't agree with his position but I do support his right to Free Speech. If you don't like what someone is saying then just ignore them.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 14, 2007 19:20:59 GMT -5
The Holocaust is not an "opinion" or "position", its a recognized historical event: it happened; therefore denying is a crime and is usually done so for purely anti-semitic or political reasons.
This man should be prosecuted
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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 14, 2007 21:21:58 GMT -5
JanissaryofByzantium Remember Turkey why the denies the Holocaust oF the Greeks and the Armenians in Asia Minor and Anatolia "The Jews - The whole truth",
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 14, 2007 22:29:07 GMT -5
The Holocaust is not an "opinion" or "position", its a recognized historical event: it happened; therefore denying is a crime and is usually done so for purely anti-semitic or political reasons. This man should be prosecuted Yes it did happen... it's severity is in question...
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Post by Teuta1975 on Dec 15, 2007 1:08:02 GMT -5
A Greek historian...denying an event that occurred in history???!!!! Why am I not surprised by the sentence??? But he shouldn't call himself historian anymore!!
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Post by srbobran on Dec 15, 2007 1:20:19 GMT -5
Bah, freedom of speech has lost all meaning. He shouldn't get convicted for expressing an opinion so long as it is nonviolent in nature.
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Post by slowdent on Dec 15, 2007 10:46:04 GMT -5
come on teuta..... there are people even in this forum that deny the Armenian genocide ever happened . If it was not for the holocaust and the israeli community, then I do not think that this guy would ever have had a problem. A question to Jan: Do you know who is Plevris?
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 15, 2007 11:56:11 GMT -5
Israel itself has not formally recognized the Armenian genocide.
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Post by rex362 on Dec 15, 2007 12:01:25 GMT -5
Israel itself has not formally recognized the Armenian genocide. wow ..dint know that ...maybe bcs their to busy just talking about theirs ...they dont have the time
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Post by donnie on Dec 15, 2007 14:40:01 GMT -5
In my opinion, it is quite dangerous to disallow revisionist historians to express their flawed versions of history. In this case, it might just feed the neo-nazi movement with members for the simple reason that not wishing to debate and puncture the 'arguments' put forth by 'historians' such as the one in question, might look like 'covering up', trying to protect a lie.
It is like exggerating the use of the term anti-Semitic for any criticism directed towards Israelis; it disarms the power the term is loaded with. People become immune.
Instead, these people should be showered with concrete evidence of what occured. This just feeds nazi anger.
The title says the historian denied the Holocaust. I presume he isn't meaning 3 as opposed to 6 million Jews died ... rather that Auschwitz never took place, that there was no organized genocide conducted on Europe's Jewry. This is a dangerous and false claim. But I fear banning such opinions might lead to a worse situation.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 15, 2007 14:44:48 GMT -5
Thats because, unlike the Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide is still debated.
I personally believe that it never happened, and that Armenians are largely at fault for any deaths by siding with the Russian invasion.
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 15, 2007 15:30:54 GMT -5
^That is dangerous biased thinking... then again you're 20 years old..you can believe what ever you want... when you hit 45 your thinking will change drastically.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 15, 2007 15:36:53 GMT -5
I have wedded interests in siding with what Im siding, as does Israel.
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 15, 2007 15:42:27 GMT -5
I know you have wedded interests in your Muslim breathern just like most Greeks support Serbia.... what a fuked up world... sad...
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Post by rex362 on Dec 15, 2007 15:59:28 GMT -5
Israel itself has not formally recognized the Armenian genocide. oh....maybe bcs of their friendship ties with Turkey...something about small land parcel they picked up in Palestine way back
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 15, 2007 16:29:13 GMT -5
It's about water. Israel needs it,Turkey has it.
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Post by radovic on Dec 21, 2007 19:00:21 GMT -5
This man is an author, not a historian. As far as I'm aware he has received no higher education in history but in law and sociology.
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Post by radovic on Dec 21, 2007 19:01:52 GMT -5
Bah, freedom of speech has lost all meaning. He shouldn't get convicted for expressing an opinion so long as it is nonviolent in nature. He has written things of a violent nature. He has called Jews subhumans undeserving of life. Not only that but he has said that they should all be shot at by firing squads.
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Post by Kassandros on Dec 22, 2007 4:16:04 GMT -5
Come on guys... he is a FAR-RIGHT lawyer that decide to deal with historical issues. Nothing more nothing less.
As you see a far-left person who praise Communism and Lenin...
Usual issues to any society between the far-something people.
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