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Post by leandros nikon on Sept 5, 2008 4:57:43 GMT -5
When i was about 12 y.o i was allowed to watch a documentary about the jewish holocaust by my parents...it was an unbelievable experience...when my mother told me what "arbeit macht frei" means,i was shocked...such a hypocricy...this terrible genocide happened just a few decades ago...So,its logical for anybody to wonder...is mankind still able to commit such a crime today?is it true when some people say that man is the worse beast of all???
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Post by leandros nikon on Sept 5, 2008 4:59:33 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_HolocaustThe Holocaust (from the Greek ὁëüêáõóôïí (holókauston): holos, "completely" and kaustos, "burnt"), also known as (Ha-)Shoah (Hebrew: השואה), Churben (Yiddish: חורבן), is the term generally used to describe the genocide of approximately six million European Jews during World War II, as part of a programme of deliberate extermination planned and executed by the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazi) regime in Germany led by Adolf Hitler.[2] Other groups were persecuted and killed by the regime, including the Gypsies; Soviets, particularly prisoners of war; Communists; ethnic Poles; other Slavic people; the disabled; homosexuals; and political and religious dissidents.[3][4] Many scholars do not include these groups in the definition of the Holocaust, defining it as the genocide of the Jews,[5] or what the Nazis called the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question." Taking into account all the victims of Nazi persecution, the total number of victims is estimated to be nine to 11 million.[6] The persecution and genocide were accomplished in stages. Legislation to remove the Jews from civil society was enacted years before the outbreak of World War II. Concentration camps were established in which inmates were used as slave labour until they died of exhaustion or disease. Where the Third Reich conquered new territory in eastern Europe, specialized units called Einsatzgruppen murdered Jews and political opponents in mass shootings. Jews and Roma were crammed into ghettos before being transported hundreds of miles by freight train to extermination camps where, if they survived the journey, the majority of them were killed in gas chambers. Every arm of Germany's bureaucracy was involved in the logistics of the mass murder, turning the country into what one Holocaust scholar has called "a genocidal state."[7]
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Post by leandros nikon on Sept 5, 2008 5:02:38 GMT -5
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Rows_of_bodies_of_dead_inmates_fill_the_yard_of_Lager_Nordhausen%2C_a_Gestapo_concentration_camp.jpgApril 12, 1945: Lager Nordhausen, where 20,000 inmates are believed to have died. The major concentration and extermination camps: Auschwitz, Belzec, Bergen-Belsen, Che³mno, Dachau, Flossenbürg, Grini, Jasenovac, Klooga, Majdanek, Maly Trostinets, Mauthausen-Gusen, Ravensbrück, Treblinka. Camp badges: Black triangle, Pink triangle, Purple triangle, Yellow badge.
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Post by leandros nikon on Sept 5, 2008 5:06:35 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_HolocaustThe Germans came, the police, and they started banging houses: "Raus, raus, raus, Juden raus." … [O]ne baby started to cry … The other baby started crying. So the mother urinated in her hand and gave the baby a drink to keep quiet … [When the police had gone], I told the mothers to come out. And one baby was dead … from fear, the mother [had] choked her own baby. ” —Abraham Malik, describing his experience in the Kovno ghetto.
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 5, 2008 5:12:10 GMT -5
Homo homini lupus.
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Post by diurpaneus on Sept 5, 2008 6:49:09 GMT -5
Not only Jews died in the Holocaust. Gypsies, Slavs, Romanians, Orthodox priests, Jehova witnesses, handicapped people, mentally ill people, homosexuals, political prisoners also were exterminated.
Regarding the region where I live, here are some quotes. (don`t understand me wrong, I do not accuse the Hungarian nation of these crimes, but their leaders from those times).
"We must extirpate these sandalled-peasant Vlachs and kill them as our own enemies. The priests preach the love for the people, but this is only a decoy as God only helps rough force and we all must use this rough force to kill and exterminate these Vlachs. Religion with its 10 commands says: do not kill, do not steal, do not have a wish for someone else's woman, for these are sins. I ask you, is this sin? No, it is not. A sin is only if we don't exterminate this bunch of sandalled-peasant Vlachs. We shall organize a Saint Bartholomew night and we shall even kill the babies in their mothers' bellies!" (baron Aczel Ede, governor of the Kolozsvar district, found guilty for crimes against humanity after WWII)
"I shall kill every Romanian standing in my way! I shall kill each and every one of them! There will be no mercy! At nights I shall set Romanian villages on fire. I shall rip the inhabitants with my sword. I shall poison their fountains! I shall throttle their babies! I shall have no mercy! For none of them! I shall have no mercy for the children, or for the pregnant women! Revenge! No mercy, cruel revenge! " (Ducso Csaba, "Nincs Kegyelem!" ("No mercy!"))
"That terrible night, from one of the stables in which almost 800 people had been crowded - I myself included - some frightful flames burst all of a sudden from its four corners. It was obvious that it was no accident, the stable had been set on fire by the hungarian horthyist guard. Later on I found out that the doors had been blocked with barbed wire. The flames spread quickly to the hay roof and the wooden structure. In a few moments the silence of the night was broken with terrible screams and despaired cries. Those who could still stand and the sick who hadn't lost their conscience by fever were bursting outside of the stable through the torch-falling-like beams. But the guards were there ready, waiting, and started to reap down with their machine-guns those who were saving themselves. The disaster didn't take longer than ten minutes; ten endless minutes. The people - most of them - burned alive with the stable; their bodies, burned to ashes, laid down in piles over the embers of the beams till morning. Those who could get out of the stable were killed - most of them - by the bullets of the machine-guns. Only few of them escaped this terrible catastrophe. Getting away from the clenching of the flames, with my right foot pierced by a bullet, I crawled to the next stable, near whose door, because of the blood I had lost, lost my conscience". (Singer Zoltan, "Volt egyser egy Desz", Tel-Aviv, p. 269-271)
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Post by rusebg on Sept 5, 2008 6:58:01 GMT -5
I highly disagree with this statistics, especially for Bulgaria. We did not exterminate our Jews, actually we saved them. True, those in the territories under Bulgarian administrative control (and German military) were sent to camps but not those in Bulgaria, so this figure of 14 000 exterminated is the product of some very lively imagination.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 5, 2008 10:07:34 GMT -5
every culture has had their own holocaust thing in the past histories .... I'm tired of the jewish holocaust one being pushed on me ....they seem no better ...look what they have done to the Palestinians ....every time the Israelis pound on Palestinians I have to sit at home and have their Holocaust movies for 2-3 weeks constantly thrown at me ... ...Thanks Hollywood and media lets do one on the American native Indians ...or the Tibetans
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 5, 2008 10:30:07 GMT -5
Bravo rex pes ta, tell them how things are!
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Post by rex362 on Sept 5, 2008 10:39:01 GMT -5
yea ...that evre thing has gotten to me ....
I have a few evre buddies and they are even sick of them holocaust movies...
its like the radio station that plays the same song over and over ....you end up getting sick of & hating that song ....same skata
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Post by meltdown711 on Sept 5, 2008 12:54:18 GMT -5
Two family members of mine ended up being sent to concentration camps during WWII. One survived... the other one... didnt... They were commi's though so their not missed...
In case of the Jews, it was horrible racism that did it. They truly did nothing to deserve it but exist.
There is no Holocaust in Tibet and the death of the Native Americans wasnt organized or instantaneous, it was the result of hundreds of years of mixing. Much of the death came as a result of disease then anything else. They were burned alive in massive stoves or gassed to death in showers. What happened during the Holocaust is unrivaled simply because of how it was so well orchestrated.
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 5, 2008 13:15:19 GMT -5
My grandfathers oldest brother ended up in the Konzentrationslager of Dachau as I know...but he survived.
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 5, 2008 13:17:39 GMT -5
give it a break with your hebreophilia melty...
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Post by meltdown711 on Sept 5, 2008 16:43:22 GMT -5
How bout you gives your hebreophobia a break?
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 5, 2008 17:02:28 GMT -5
I cant stand the jewish capitalists, that control the world. On the other hand I dont have a problem with the ordinary jews that live like you and me. I dont see any phobia with me. Im neutral. You on the other hand feel sympathy...I wonder why.
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Post by leandros nikon on Sept 5, 2008 17:07:42 GMT -5
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 5, 2008 17:38:41 GMT -5
I find the phrase itself not bad, it contains some true message, its just in this context extremely cynical. btw its way older than the nazis...they just adopted it... another cynical phrase above some of the Konzentrationslager was "jedem das seine"...each to his own.....as well adopted...from the Romans...suum cuique.
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Post by danceswithpoodles on Sept 5, 2008 19:07:52 GMT -5
WRONG! They were systematically killed by European diseases passed on intentionally by the Europeans bearing gifts such as blankets, fabric with said diseases.
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Post by meltdown711 on Sept 5, 2008 20:36:13 GMT -5
The biggest killer was black death... which still remained with Europeans.
Jealous? Even though they were persecuted for millenia, they still rebounded and today have 21% of the total wealth in the world. How did that happen? They are an amazing people and hatred is a result of jealousy.
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Post by Niklianos on Sept 5, 2008 23:12:28 GMT -5
Two family members of mine ended up being sent to concentration camps during WWII. One survived... the other one... didnt... They were commi's though so their not missed... In case of the Jews, it was horrible racism that did it. They truly did nothing to deserve it but exist.
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