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Post by Niklianos on Sept 5, 2008 23:21:36 GMT -5
As for the persecution of the Jewish people throughout time, it is a sad thing and should have never happened and should never happen to any people for being different! At the same time how long will the world have to be bombarded with their struggle from 60+ years ago? Why don't so many of them ever show the plight of the people they are forcing a smaller version of the holocaust on, the Palestinians?? Why don't many of them push for the recognition of the Armenian genocide? Or the Ukrainian Genocide? Or the Pontian Genocide? Or any other genocide? EVERYONE knows what happened to the Jewish people of occupied Europe during WWII so why is it that we must be continuously bombarded with it still today? Move on an help others who need the recognition so those things never occur again.
As for an answer to your question Leandros, YES!! People are definitely still able to do such things against other people today! Just look around the world. We have Iraq with Bush, we have Somalia, we have the Congo and many other places. This will always happen when there is Greed in the world, especially Corporate Greed over the Natural Resources and those who want to control it and gain from those corporations.
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Post by Niklianos on Sept 5, 2008 23:26:37 GMT -5
As for the Native Americans there downfall occurred over a 300+ year period and it varied from one region to the other. So when discussing them you must signify whether or not your discussing the Aztec and Mayans? Or are you discussing the 3 Civilized Tribes(Choctaw, Chickasaw and Cherokee)? Or are you talking about the plains peoples of the Cheyenne, Lakota(Sioux), etc? Or are you discussing the Miccosukee of Florida? Or are you discussing the various Groups from the Caribbean? Or are you discussing the Rainforest tribes of Brazil and Venezuela?
There are multiple reason for their demise but I will say that the primary causes were all due to the Europeans and their Greed!
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Post by bordura on Sept 6, 2008 1:31:10 GMT -5
Nice reply Nikli... you saved my time and replied almost identically within my thoughts
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 6, 2008 2:05:18 GMT -5
"EVERYONE knows what happened to the Jewish people of occupied Europe during WWII so why is it that we must be continuously bombarded with it still today? Move on an help others who need the recognition so those things never occur again."
They new order raped the truth just 10-20 years ago, with the Yugoslav wars. I bet it wouldn't be too hard to rape the truth in 1945 when the technological means were primitive, and deception much easier.
To tell you the truth, we dont know a thing, just like we dont know a thing about what happened in Bosnia,Srebrenica,Kosovo,Georgia,Iraq, and the list goes on.
The jewish genocide is just another tool in the hands of the media, at marking people with labels. As far as the Jews are concerned, they paid back the Communists that saved them in the most spectacular way..... so much for their genocide...
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 6, 2008 5:47:43 GMT -5
Haha, why should I be jealous? If you have that much power you have simultaneously great responsibility. They know it...nevertheless....day by millions of humans are starving... their behaviour can save or kill dozen thousands of humans...these people have killed more humans than Hitler, Stalin, the English and Americans together. They miserably failed to cope with the growing world responsibilities...how can you dare to say they are amazing people. To me they are greedy devils and what they deserve is...and Im not sorry to say it....Auschwitz.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 6, 2008 10:18:49 GMT -5
Kastor ...do they write and produce cartoons and movies to keep our kids stupid and psychologically screwed up while their kids are not allowed to watch the same ?
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Post by leandros nikon on Sept 6, 2008 11:32:09 GMT -5
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 6, 2008 12:18:48 GMT -5
Absurd but true.
I dont argue there are many genius people among them...and that they are usually well educated people...but if you are like that....you also have to have brain enough to care for your fellow human beings within the bounds of possibility...thats the way I see it. But I cant see sth like that among the jews. All humanitarian organisations are usually held by christians churches...I dont see any jewish....although they held a bigger part of the worlds capacities.
...and then they come...and have the audacity to talk 70 years later about the holocaust...pointing a finger at the Germans....
again Im not talking about the middle class jews...that goes only for the prosperous ones.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 6, 2008 12:57:20 GMT -5
Kastor ,,,,why is it when one single Jewish gravestone gets paint on it.. it makes front page news around the world ?
and when Christian or other gravestones get vandalized it doesn't even make the rumor mill
and why is it that many people tip toe around Jewish/Israeli issues ?...
like as if by law they cant hurt their feeling or talk anything negative about them ...
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Post by rex362 on Sept 6, 2008 13:04:53 GMT -5
Kastor ,,,,,be careful what you say bcs some Jew on kibbutz might be listening in and we get tagged ....
and then Mosad comes crashing through the roof and the put sacks over our heads and we end up in Moroccan interrogation rooms ...
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 6, 2008 13:08:01 GMT -5
seems as they make use of what the nazis did to their people...in order to become kind of sacrosanct and being able to exploit others unscrupulous...without fearing criticism.
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Post by meltdown711 on Sept 6, 2008 13:16:29 GMT -5
And your true colors come out at last. Im not surprised, I have seen small bits of it here and there from past comments. I dont know whether its the German culture or the Greek culture that made you think this way.
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 6, 2008 14:12:36 GMT -5
You wish death to religious people simply because they are religious...and Im a monster because I wish those greedy capitalists Auschwitz? Your hebreophilia makes you confusing some things...
I dont have a problem with jews generally...but none shall tell me they have been only victims throughout history...as well as there are only some Jews who cause big damage...there were also only some Germans who exterminated Jews. They are not sth special...and should be treated as everyone else.
Antisemitism is a taboo in Germany...you mustn speak about it publically, otherwise society "outlaws" you regarding your public rights and life immediately. Something like that shouldnt happen in a democracy...as long as the expressed criticism is factual...it shouldnt be forbidden.
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Post by diurpaneus on Sept 6, 2008 14:24:05 GMT -5
How would Europe look like if the "Holy War against Bolshevism" succeeded?
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 6, 2008 14:28:15 GMT -5
Germania would be our capital. ;D
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Post by diurpaneus on Sept 6, 2008 14:30:34 GMT -5
Your capital. Romania was never a part of "Grossdeutschland". We were just allied.
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 6, 2008 14:33:59 GMT -5
Germania should become Welthauptstadt, so it would be your capital as well. ;P
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Post by meltdown711 on Sept 6, 2008 14:34:49 GMT -5
Wrong. I would like for them to be silenced, its different. I simply want religious people to be shut out from the world in order to help promote secular living.
I have promoted the destruction of certain people in the past so Im not clean... yet I see the Jews as a people who certainly do not fall in such a category.
What about the Greek shipowners? What have they given to Africa? Why is it their business if ppl in Africa are suffering? Do you know how Abramovic started his wealth? He was making toys from his apartment. Tons of other Jews made their wealth the same way. They had no help, just sheer ability. Jews in NY are fascinating simply of how able they are. All their children go to top rank schools, they achieve like no other.
Africa is not their fault. You were so eager to defend wealthy people before yet now you say they have too much and are "greedy".
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 6, 2008 14:43:11 GMT -5
I said everyone has the right to be rich.....and I still say it...but that doesnt exclude the obligation to help others, or to act with responsibility. As for the Greek shipowners...its not about giving money...its the kind of economical policy they are making...exploiting the poor countries...and its people....benefitting from political crisis of these regions...the Greek shipowners have not the power to influence anything here.
And as for the help...come on...the american Jews have never been touched by anyone...those who arrives during the dsecond world war...got help from the american jews...and were well integrated...and as for the better schools their children are attending.....its the best example that this all is just a chain...I cannot attend such a school...simply because my parents dont have the money...if they had...I would do it as well...
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Post by meltdown711 on Sept 6, 2008 14:48:11 GMT -5
Many American Jews, in fact a vast number, came from Russia, Poland and other parts of Eastern Europe during the Pogrom period. Many others ran from Nazi's.
Their parents, grandparents came from nothing and created this chain on their own. Jews never had a nobility....
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