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Post by Kassandros on Feb 28, 2009 8:10:30 GMT -5
A war costs money and nobody has money to give. If it was free of charge.. then we and the Turks would have been in war every 10 minutes. The period of wars is over. Now the borders are changing economically or with a puppet govnt or with small conflicts in a given army with given people. The old times where all the country was in war with everybody from the other country is over. For example, why American should invade in any Balkan nation? They give money they give them some feeling of indepedence and pride and thats it; Camp Steal. American land full of soldiers in the heart of Balkans. So easy. In 50 years somebody will speak for real indepedence in Kossovo... he will have a car accident, of course after he has being characterized as part of the "axis of evil".. and everything will continue normaly. If after 100 years all the nation reacts and they will be obliged to go... then they create a new nation a new country a new Camp Steal and the next 100 years are covered. A big war is only for stupids nowdays..
Also Kapetani I dont believe that bloodbath would be th outcome of a war between Greece and Albania. In order to have a bloodbath you need big concentration of power in a small area. The case of Greece and Turkey is more lackily to become bloodbath. In case of Albania.... I dont think so. I doubt Greece would need to use even one missile or F'16s. Also... Greece to invade Albania.... what for? For the oils.. the rich industry... the full of diamonds land.. or for some extra beaches to add them in the 1 million of our own? What exactly Greece would gain from that? The more it could happen is some stupids from Ablania to form a Tsamouria gang like UCK... to kill some Greeks from the minority or from Epirus in Greece... then Greece would just bomb 5 govent buldings in Tirana.. and it is over. The Albanians will arrested that gang and everything will be like before. Most propably it will be the most useless spending of these 5 Greek bombs. My personal opinion is.... not even one chance for war with Albania... but many chances for a small war with Turkey. Aegean has oils and Turks want half of them. Thats is a good reason and war and gain back the cost by the exploitation of oil for the winner. Yes... that will be a bloodbath.
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Post by meltdown711 on Feb 28, 2009 18:15:08 GMT -5
Your a fool if you think Greece will simpl "send five bombs"... Albania has allies. Remember what I said, whenever Greece threatens Albania, Turkey threatens Greece. This has occurred before and will occur again if Greece wants to do anything. Incase a couple of Greeks from the minority are killed by nationalists, Greece will come out and condemn Albania, hold back some cash and the EU will tell Albania to arrest the individuals. Thats it. The Greek govt will not so much as think of the idea of bombs, especially now that Albania is a NATO nation and will soon be home to the defense shield system, making it one of the prime allies of the US in the region. If Greece so much as considers it, Turkey will be the first nation to come to our defense just as they were in 1999 when they were among the first to support the bombing of Belgrade (not just on a govt level, but on a popular lvl as well).
And as for Kosovo's real independence, it will occur once UN and EU are done with once and for all.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 28, 2009 19:50:43 GMT -5
Albania and Greece at war...it'll be Like Israel against the Hamas.
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Post by Kassandros on Feb 28, 2009 21:57:16 GMT -5
Melt "Your a fool if you think Greece will simpl "send five bombs"... Albania has allies." ------------------------------------------------------------- You know... when things go to that level... you cannot even imagine what allies "appear" suddenly. Imagine Russia or France or Germany loosing a hard core European country in the borders of Europe from the anti-EU axis.. Would they ever allow that? Of course not. When a war starts... the most peculiar allies appear suddenly. To remind you... when Greece was ready for war with Turkey... 2 Nato countries..... suddenly Bulgaria appears... a Warsaw impact country.. and send almost all of the troops near the borders with Turkey in assistance of ... Greece; a Nato country! So... you never know when the party starts. Dont be so sure what will be the end in this game.
"Remember what I said, whenever Greece threatens Albania, Turkey threatens Greece. This has occurred before and will occur again if Greece wants to do anything. " ---------------------------------------------------------------- Greece threatens Albania??? ? When that happened exactly? I'm 38 years of age... and I never remember Greece to threaten Albanian land.. Do you?
"Incase a couple of Greeks from the minority are killed by nationalists, Greece will come out and condemn Albania, hold back some cash and the EU will tell Albania to arrest the individuals. Thats it." -------------------------------------------------------------- Yeap... you may have some right with this. Most propably that will happen. Again it comes to what i said. There is not even one chance for war.
"If Greece so much as considers it, Turkey will be the first nation to come to our defense just as they were in 1999 when they were among the first to support the bombing of Belgrade (not just on a govt level, but on a popular lvl as well)." -------------------------------------------------------------- i see you bet on Turks very much. To remind you... you have bet on them one more time during Ottoman Era.... and you lost the bet:) Listen... Turkey cannot afford a war with Greece. If Turkey gets into a real war with Greece... the next moment all the suppressed of Turkey will find their life time chance to rebel. That will be their first and last chance... Turkey knows that... the Kurds, Syrians, Kirgiasians knows that... and Greeks knows that. That is why Turkey only barks and never bites. Dont bet much on them.
"And as for Kosovo's real independence, it will occur once UN and EU are done with once and for all. " -------------------------------------------------------------- That is a very weird story... and me too wonder what will be the end. For sure.. Greece cannot recognise Kossovo because of Cyrpous, Cyrpous cannot recognise Kossovo because of... Cyprous, Spain cannot recognise Kossovo because of Barcelona..etc etc etc The worst one is that Serbia will never recognise Kossovo and that is what it matters. If Serbia always feel that they stolen from them a piece of land .... then a war will come in the future for sure. Thats the real problem. Not Greece or Cyprous or Spain etc.
For me.. .since the treaty of 1974 for "not change of borders" was abused from US... then many bad things will follow, especially in the heart of Balkans.
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Feb 28, 2009 23:40:27 GMT -5
a war between greece and albania would be something...a bloodbath for sure...the hardest would be for members of each nationality living in the others country.. yea that would probably suck monkey balls for those who are half and half, motherland versus fatherland ;D LoL i doubt a war would break out though
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Post by meltdown711 on Mar 1, 2009 3:37:13 GMT -5
Turkey b***hed you guys and took half of Cyprus. It b***hed you guys when it kicked yours asses out of every inch of Anatolia and Istanbul. It b***hed you that today Greece recently lost a major EU court case on the issue of the Turkish minority. In 97 a initiave was attempted by Greece to send Greek troops into southern Albania to "restore order" during the anarchy and protect the minority. Turkey openly came out denied Greece that right.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 1, 2009 5:47:43 GMT -5
hee dont talk BS and stop to dream turkey will not help you ! turkish independence is in danger with greater kurdistan a lot of enemies wait to hang on turkey did the arabs help palestine in gaza NO also shut up...if albania start a war against epirus that means we will punish the bad neigbour country albania with war and greek invasion.if you respect the greek minority and religious rights of the epirotes the old status quo will remain and nothing will happened to albania understand !.
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 1, 2009 12:47:16 GMT -5
Melt "Turkey b***hed you guys and took half of Cyprus. It b***hed you guys when it kicked yours asses out of every inch of Anatolia and Istanbul." -------------------------------------------------------------------- We speak about modern Greece and modern Turkey. Yeah... we won the Persians too those days.. "In 97 a initiave was attempted by Greece to send Greek troops into southern Albania to "restore order" during the anarchy and protect the minority. Turkey openly came out denied Greece that right." ------------------------------------------------------------------- Melty... really now.... you cant take every word of Berisha or any other former comounist leader and make it a holy book. Greece in 97 said that "IF" any Greek village was under attack... then we would protect the minority. That is not an attempt to take land... and Greece has any right from UN to do so for a certain period. Turkish officials took that and for billateral consumption in Albania they said that "bad" Greeks want to grap land and we'll protect you from the bad Greeks". Come on... dont be naive. Believe me.. if even one village was under attack.. then nobody gives a s**t what Turkey says. Do you believe we would start negotiating with Turks the same time Greeks are duying from intentional attacks?! Please dont be naive and dont take as granded the Turks. They have extremely big mouth and they need it for their internal consuption. To remind you... in 1987 they said "We send the ship "Hora" to look for oil in "disputed" waters. Dont even thing of stoping it". The next day all the Greek army and navy was there and waiting for "Hora". Papandreou as PM open in the air and the TV news said "The moment you see it..Shink Hora". What more direct than that? They didnt came... as it was expectred.. These are the Turks. Immature and create troubles for internal consumption. The only thing they want is to find "enemies" so as to keep citizens together...and make them feel that everybody hates them and wants to kill them. Artificial problems... but never end to battle. That is what Turkey is doing continously..
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Post by meltdown711 on Mar 1, 2009 13:12:54 GMT -5
Is that the reason why various Greek groups to this day claim that Greek villages were attacked during the whole thing? Do you know Himara was one of the hardest hit, in terms of demographic loss...
Sorry, your bs doesnt fly. Greece actively tried to push for troops in, and Turkey blocked it. As for "make trouble", thats simply your distorted view.
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 1, 2009 14:57:23 GMT -5
Greeks who claim Greek villages are under attack in N. Epirus are people like you. Brainwashed and fanatic ones. The only attack in Greek villages is an economicl attack that happens in every village in all the world. The 2 -3 incidents with drunk or fanatic Albanians dont constiture an attack. Also, I really dont have any reason to "apologise" to an Albanian like you for something. If I really believed that we want some land from N.Epirus I would have told you. But.. dont you find it weird that you... know that Greeks want your land.... and I as a Greek.. dont know it? Shouldnt the Greek "bad" governemnts have prepared me and dope me to want it too..? Meltdown... cool down boy from this Turkalbanian stuff that your brain is full of. Start thinking as a European of the 21st century. The American "education" you take will help you with that..
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Post by meltdown711 on Mar 1, 2009 15:08:48 GMT -5
If being Turko-Albanian means being a philopatria, then you can call me a Turkoalvanos all you want. From you guys, thats something I am proud of being. And yes, the Greek govt did put forward the idea, in NATO, to move its troops in southern Albania, and yes Turkey did deny it, threatening to move its troops to protect the western thrace minority if Greece did that. This is something which Albanians to this day go on Turkish forums and say 'we love you Turks' for. That when we were down, they came to our help, as our true friends.
And Im not a European, and dont wish to be, so dont tell me to 'start thinking like one'. To me their nothing more then a collection f*gs w/ no balls whatsoever.
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 1, 2009 15:30:22 GMT -5
Melt "This is something which Albanians to this day go on Turkish forums and say 'we love you Turks' for." -------------------------------------------------------------------- Now do you understand what is the difference between sheeps and Greeks? Berisha, Turks and US guided you where you meant to go...
You know... giving explanations to people that the "bad" Greeks who always want to invade... didnt .. even in the worst moment of Albania..... would be difficult. Lets invent a story: :Greeks were ready to attack.. but good Turks saved us. Kiss them! "
So naive... Now do you got it why Americans choosen YOU to be "liberated"? You're easy to be controled. That is what America loves.. and that is what you have to offer. "Tell them stories... they never search.. they're used of Hotza. They just follow the road we show them" Boy stay in America. You're good for there.
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Post by meltdown711 on Mar 1, 2009 16:14:05 GMT -5
All you can see is sword rattling, you just cannot get the idea into your head that Albanians and Turks do in fact share common bonds, a sense of friendship(miqsia, as Albanians would call it).
And as for the sheep comment, thats rather funny, since I see you guys do the same chit w/ Serbs, your cofraternals. I never said there was anything wrong w/ it. You guys have your friends, we ours. Turks just happen to be ours...
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 1, 2009 16:40:40 GMT -5
lol ;D
The Orthodox Albanians are happy do hear that BS crap from your mouth... Many Orthodox Albanians preserve their Christian traditions in the Ottoman times and did not convert to islam or mixed with the Turks ,fought the Turks and you talk us Fairy Tales...
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Mar 1, 2009 17:01:14 GMT -5
^^yea and u preserved your Albanian language, u speak it, in fact better then some people who declare themselves Albanian (like Ballisti)
who has the bigger inferiority complexes? you or him? no one knows. who should go stick golden dildos in his ass? both of you, help each other out
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 1, 2009 17:10:45 GMT -5
^^yeah we the Epirotes and Northern Epirotes preserved our Mother language, but you didnt Modern Arvanites !
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Post by meltdown711 on Mar 1, 2009 18:11:11 GMT -5
Karta, Orthodox Christian Kaurs will one day convert to Islam. So will all Europe. The World will be Muslim. ELHAMDULLILLAH!!! TAKBIR!!! AL-LAHU AKBAR!!!!
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Post by danceswithpoodles on Mar 2, 2009 20:26:05 GMT -5
shuddup troll!
duh duh...I'm 10 feet tall and I'm albunnyion.
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Post by Duke John on Mar 2, 2009 20:35:27 GMT -5
lol ;D The Orthodox Albanians are happy do hear that BS crap from your mouth... Many Orthodox Albanians preserve their Christian traditions in the Ottoman times and did not convert to islam or mixed with the Turks ,fought the Turks and you talk us Fairy Tales... If we had mixed with turks we would look like you
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Post by monsterofsouli on Mar 2, 2009 20:37:01 GMT -5
But you do look and act like Turks Duke John and to top it off your a country with 85 percent Muslims.
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