Post by meltdown711 on Mar 10, 2009 21:11:57 GMT -5
Mavromatis was never his official name, it was Theofan Stylian Noli. He was born to a family in Edirne which traced its origin to Kolonja immigrants who in the 17-8th century moved to Thrace (and also settled in areas of Bulgaria which eventually was given the name Arbanasi). They were Orthodox Christians who lived in the surrounding villages of Thrace (Albanian speaking) who were called Rums and traded off to Greece at the beginning of the 20th century pop trade. To this day the community there speaks Albanian and his family members themselves have admitted their Albanian origin (they call themselves Shqiptars as opposed to Arvanites), even though they disagreed with his views and were/are, as opposed to him, pro Greek leaning (obviously for religious reasons). Top Channel in Albania did a documentary on this community a long while back.
Fan Noli never saw himself, nor claimed any origin, other than purely an Albanian one. Nor did he ever claim his native language was anything other than Albanian (although he spoke Greek and Turkish fluently as well). Marko Bocari even made a lexicon comparing his native language with something else.
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"Orbis terrarum Europa, Europae Graecia, Graeciae regina urbs Byzantii est" "Word's capital is Europe, Europe's is Greece, and Greece's Constantinoupolis" Guarino da Verona,15th c. ......................................... -Ouden glykion patridos-Homer
Post by meltdown711 on Mar 11, 2009 9:31:56 GMT -5
Arianit is a common name altogether. There is an Italian shop in my neighborhood and the family name is Arriana.
And as for 19th-20th century figures, surnames are rather useless in pointing to ethnic origin since their family was not necessarily in control of them. Often the church (or, for Muslims, the state) handed out surnames in the latter parts of the Ottoman Empire. So you have a large number of Very very Turkish or Greek surnames among them.
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Post by meltdown711 on Mar 11, 2009 19:29:22 GMT -5
The so many of you is your problem, not mine. I would love it if you kicked them out, it would cause some notable turmoil in Albania for a time, but it would be much better in the long-term. And would fill south Albania with some much needed rejuvenation... Not to mention the whole country initself. I would be amazing come to think of it...
But anyway, in my home in Vlora we keep two sets of guns, a .45 and an AK (after 97)... ask any Himariot what kind of gun he keeps at his house... (youd probably have to get him from Greece to do so first though)
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Mar 13, 2009 20:33:24 GMT -5
Fan Noli is Albanian...he is the father of the Albanian Orthodox church...dont be pathetic there's solid proof that hes Albanian. He has origins in Kolonja. But its even more pathetic that lowlives that hate Orthodox Albanians think they can have an opinion on Fan Noli, guess what Noli was a kaur too..probably a Communist as well ...he would spit on all your faces. Don't make me laugh.
My father was invited here in 1955.....That is why I can stand up with my head high ... and call YOU a refugee.
Most if not all of Albanians are political refugees. They are always running away from something.
Majority are refugees because of being terrorized back home, whether it be in Kosovo (from the Serbs), or Montenegro, or Albania (from communist pro-russian govt), etc.
Of course some left for political reasons, but they're in the minority.
About myself and my family, we left because we had nowhere to return back to for the reason that the house was burned down. Otherwise we would never come to the United States. (my parents hate it being away from homeland lol) (< and who can blame them)
Emperor AAdmin: Sorry Rexxy, that is just a win for Swiss. Plain and simple. Where certain players origins are from ... who cares... it was all for swiss colors my friend...I am afraid noone is connecting Albanians to this game in any shape or form hahahaha
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Rusyn: Who knows, maybe they think Switzerland is part of Albania also
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rex362: oh the politics of football.......ok then ....dont let me find you as being hypocrites if I find/see any post of you highlighting any serbian players on any other countries sport teams
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rex362: fricken hooligans
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bosnett23: Pozzz svima ako imate želju da proučite više o historiji Bosne, Ilirima idr....preporučujem svakako www.bosnett.com dobar arhiv knjiga i postova. Stranica ima funkcije poput FB. L.P.
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Rusyn: hahaha bosnia have no history.. plz get real dude
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Pyrros: AAADmine why do let you Caucasians Cherkesian ANTI-GREEKS, ANTI-ORHTODOX ppl (Leandros Nikon) to lock threads ?
Jan 5, 2023 3:52:22 GMT -5
Pyrros: bosnett jos vise anglosaksonski lazi?
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Emperor AAdmin: Vatra feel free to open a threat about that topic in Greece Forum and we can discuss there. Thanks.
Jan 8, 2023 6:14:59 GMT -5
Pyrros: Admine, you are a fair and cool Serb. I acknowledge that. But too many freedoms have a bad ending. It lets albs and other cherkesians (like Leandros Nikon) multiply.
Jan 8, 2023 9:08:38 GMT -5
rex362: ahahahaha.....too many freedoms ahahaha...cherk-whatever ahahahah....fair & cool serb ahahahahah...you ass kissing communist ahahahahah bad ending-for who ? you ? aahhaahhahhaaa
Jan 8, 2023 13:21:46 GMT -5
leandros nikon: pyro is funny guy of the forum.I am cherkesian?No man i am Asia minor Greek!on the other hand you are a confused Greek,mperdemenos eisai!
Jan 8, 2023 15:45:09 GMT -5
Rusyn: @leandros nikon Vatra is "fire" in Serbian, and Pyrros is Greek equvialent of that name. Also Pyrros was used to be known as Kralj Vatra in his older accounts hence Admin calls him both ways.
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