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Post by Arxileas on Apr 5, 2009 18:09:09 GMT -5
Problem here donnie is. Zervas was acting under the instructions of Allied officers and NOT by the Nazis like you were. So it is the UK then that you accuse of ethnic cleansing ? Zervas of course was directed by Woodhouse to push the Chams out of the area because they were overwhelmingly supporting Nazi German fascists in attacks on Greeks, Slavs, Jews etc in the region as well as anti - Nazi forces like Zervas. Do some reading - research of various reliable sources They document horrific destruction, mass murder etc by the Chams at the time. You base so many baseless opinions without backing them up and you expect to be taken serious We have given you one such source by the United Nations Special committee and this isn't enough for you lol
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Post by libofshe on Apr 5, 2009 18:13:06 GMT -5
The expulsion of the Chams is the best thing that came out of WW2... [/b]
and they demise of such an enlightened race such as they the noted Hellens and the subsequent replacement with a mongrel, beduin-like race is the worse thing that could have happened to the balkans and the world over, how humanity wept.
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Post by danceswithpoodles on Apr 5, 2009 19:15:11 GMT -5
well then you siptars had your asses handed to you by a bunch of gay bedouins...and one gay bedouin, Zervas was an arvanitis.
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Post by donnie on Apr 5, 2009 19:20:54 GMT -5
This still doesn't negate anything what I said, nor make your actions "justified". Furthermore, are you sure they, the British, didn't urge EDES to expell the Chams due to their obvious support of ELAS, the left-wing movement? Afterall, the demise of the Axis was pretty obvious and the Chams didn't pose much of a real threat in that regard.
So far, you stil haven't been able to proove that the Chams were collectively collaborating with the Axis powers, which is pretty difficult to do since it is hard to track the activities of each individual in an entire society. Yet still, you think it is justified to collectively punish an entire segment of Epirus' population? Either you're suffering from a severe case of dellusion, or you're just tying to do what your predecessors have done, namely to cover up your sh!t through false flag ... classical. But never, ever justified!
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Post by donnie on Apr 5, 2009 19:22:47 GMT -5
well then you siptars had your asses handed to you by a bunch of gay bedouins...and one gay bedouin, Zervas was an arvanitis. Mouthsore, perhaps you should ease down on orally "polishing" those "sticks" if you don't wish to have sore lips all the time.
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Post by danceswithpoodles on Apr 5, 2009 19:30:27 GMT -5
oh you're just mad because your 'chams' got what they deserved and the world doesn't care. Your chams ran away like little chickens.
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Post by donnie on Apr 5, 2009 19:36:21 GMT -5
oh you're just mad because your 'chams' got what they deserved and the world doesn't care. Your chams ran away like little chickens. No, I'm seriously concerned for your health, because you trully seem like a sweet girl, a promiscuous one, but still sweet.
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 5, 2009 19:36:18 GMT -5
It doesn’t matter what you say Donnie. In the eyes of the international community it’s a dead issue and all crimes are recorded for all to see. Your still making baseless opinions without factual sources. Some Greeks did coloberate and they suffered the same fate as Mussolini did... Mussolini Executed 28th April 1945: The bodies of Benito Mussolini and Clara Petacci, his mistress, hang from the roof of a gasoline station after they had been shot by anti-Fascist forces while attempting to escape to Switzerland. (Photo by Keystone/Getty Images) www.jamd.com/image/in-search/Mussolini+hanged+after+ww2/#2g3293985Picture of Mussolini hanging...All fascists around the region suffered the same fate. They all fled, like the chams did to flee from being prosecuted for war crimes. As documented by the United nation Special committee and shown many other nutral sources... Your baseless claims of Greeks taking advantage of this to expel is just that baseless opinions.
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Post by donnie on Apr 5, 2009 19:43:52 GMT -5
As long as we remember, it will not be a dead issue. And I assure you we won't forget. And, as of lately, this issue has been enjoying a more International attention than before, when it was kept totally frozen. Eventually, now matter how desperately you try to perpetuate this status quo, it will reach surface and have consequences.
Exactly. But their families, close kin, and everyone associated with them weren't murdered or deported as a consequence. If a collaborator was from Volos, didn't mean all people from the town of Volos were deported or killed, only the collaborator/s! It is because of this that we can deduce that what occured with the Chams was indeed an act of ethnic cleansing, where the collaborationist card was used as an excuse. End of story!
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 5, 2009 20:59:08 GMT -5
So far, you stil haven't been able to proove that the Chams were collectively collaborating with the Axis powers, which is pretty difficult to do since it is hard to track the activities of each individual in an entire society. Yet still, you think it is justified to collectively punish an entire segment of Epirus' population? We've prooved it just raise your eyes above, need some reading glasses ? You punished the Greek Epirotes, trying to reverse project your past crimes onto us [/size][/quote] Which predecessors, what are you talking about ? Are you recycling old debates btw the Serbs and forgot to re-edit them perhaps ? You are not well dude...""through false flag"" wtf Anyone who collaborates with Nazi Germany on Greek soil deserved an execution. Albanians like telling tall tales, as effective as a pyramid schemes it seems. .
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Post by leshte on Apr 5, 2009 21:14:53 GMT -5
Sure some of them do deserve that, some may deserve less depending on what their activities specifically were. These class might have deserved long jail sentences. Their kids and wives don't though. That's what you advocate, and that is disgusting.
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Post by Georgios Kastriotis on Apr 5, 2009 22:58:20 GMT -5
TurkoAlbanians the tsams cooperated with nazis killed,raped even children were raped to & stole from Greek neighbours. 2,000 tsams were condemned to death as filth traitors
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Post by leshte on Apr 6, 2009 8:35:41 GMT -5
^^^^ TurkoGreek, I am sure their kids and their wives were doing that. Grow a brain.
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 7, 2009 14:57:10 GMT -5
leshte, the term Turkalbanian is like a medal for many Albanians. They really feel proud with such a connection. Do you doubt that? Also, I always differentiate between pure Albanians and Turkalbanians. Turkalbanians are easy to be spoted from an extreme hate for Greece... like many Turks. The funny thing is that Turks have a reason... Turkalbanians dont. On the other side, Albanians are cool when it comes to Greece. Some are positive some are indiferent... but for sure.. hatefull are mainly the Turkalbanians. Mayby its the religions... maybe is the nationalist crap implanted into their brains from Enver... maybe the commounist past... but for sure... its abnormal.
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Post by libofshe on Apr 7, 2009 17:35:35 GMT -5
leshte, the term Turkalbanian is like a medal for many Albanians. They really feel proud with such a connection. Do you doubt that?[/b]
you have this uncanny ability to talk like such a retard sometimes, we hold Scanderbeg as our most sacred hero and you keep barking up that tree...you're a sad little person.
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 7, 2009 18:15:08 GMT -5
I'm sad after I took a home loan for 25 years... but thats a different case.
In our case, do you believe Scanderbeg was anti-Greek like today many Turkalbanians are?
Read again... 3 cases... maybe the religion... maybe the commounist propaganda... maybe because all rednecks when they come in towns hate the citizens... who knows..? But for sure... not Scanderberg as you would love to happen.
Again; do you believe Scanderbeg was anti-Greek like today many Turkalbanians are?
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Post by libofshe on Apr 7, 2009 18:45:54 GMT -5
seriously, have you ever been to albania? coz you have not the faintest idea of what the situation is like...and yet you keep telling me what's up, smth just doesn't add up here, that's like telling batman where the hand brake is on the bat mobile.
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Post by libofshe on Apr 7, 2009 18:48:06 GMT -5
like...i don't know what scanderbeg's opinion on greeks was, that's like a really really unaswerable question
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Post by albquietman on Apr 7, 2009 21:37:26 GMT -5
leshte, the term Turkalbanian is like a medal for many Albanians. They really feel proud with such a connection. Do you doubt that? Also, I always differentiate between pure Albanians and Turkalbanians. Turkalbanians are easy to be spoted from an extreme hate for Greece... like many Turks. The funny thing is that Turks have a reason... Turkalbanians dont. On the other side, Albanians are cool when it comes to Greece. Some are positive some are indiferent... but for sure.. hatefull are mainly the Turkalbanians. Mayby its the religions... maybe is the nationalist crap implanted into their brains from Enver... maybe the commounist past... but for sure... its abnormal. Turkalbanians is a term that you invented centuries ago, and sadly enough you're still enjoying using it like you did centuries ago...now, since you're talking about propaganda, more exactly Hoxha's propaganda and how it affected us and still affecting according to you, did you ever heard some albanian using some kind of word comparing to your invention, turkalbanian? I don't think so, because we're not good on such inventions, nor Hoxha was, no matter what you say, but even if we were the same as you when it comes to these kind of inventions, I don't think that our brain would had been stuck centuries ago like yours...so Basil, stop this turkalbanian and Hoxha crap. No offense, but it's really not wise by your side to keep using such invented terms. On the other hand you know nothing about Albania in Hoxha's time and the his propaganda. There was propaganda of course, but not related in anyway with Greece and it's history. He didn't care much about you guys...he had a thing about the superpowers, and all his propaganda was directed in their direction, not in little guys' direction like Greece was and still is...oh, by the way, he even wrote a book to make you guys happy...probably he knew that you were crying like little babies ...
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 8, 2009 3:40:23 GMT -5
libofhse "like...i don't know what scanderbeg's opinion on greeks was, that's like a really really unaswerable question " ---------------------------------------------------- Libofshe, if he had that hate... we would know that. Usually there are dead people to proove it.. especially those years...and there are not. So.. I see not similarities in your hero's lives and attitude...and yours.
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