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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 22, 2007 17:49:16 GMT -5
Suart, its one thing to troll, its another thing to lie... you, my Islamic roach, seem to have mastered both...
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 22, 2007 19:21:19 GMT -5
Once again you have brought no proof but simply go by "you probably did do it also"... sorry, Canaris, but that doesnt work. Your simply trying to excuse the barbarism shown in those reports. Which is inexcusable. The proof is here right now you a muslim arguing with me and taking the Turkish side... as many of the Albanians do here... it's very simple...
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 22, 2007 19:25:29 GMT -5
Im not Muslim. And why should I take the Greek side? Its logical: Greece takes Serbia's side; thus I take Turkey's side against Greece. Things might be a little different had Greece not been blatantly pro-Serbian.
This proves nothing. Does it mean that you excuse the massacre of civilians because they do not have pro-Greek feelings?
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 22, 2007 19:32:46 GMT -5
I do not excuse slaughtering of innocents.... that is the worst thing man has perpetrated against each other..my own Chian ancestors were slaughtered..and I would be a prick to say otherwise. My personal preference would have been for Greeks to support Albanians... but since we don't have any control over that we here on the internet blabber stuff that we don't really mean..just to be mean and hip...
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Post by alpg on Nov 23, 2007 1:54:53 GMT -5
Suart, its one thing to troll, its another thing to lie... you, my Islamic roach, seem to have mastered both... you my friend, are in love with this suart?! In what history book have you learned that korca had been destroyed by the greeks? If you dont have arguments, then dont be a jerk and offend ppl.
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Post by ahristos on Nov 23, 2007 2:14:20 GMT -5
again u cry for greeks blah blah and u entry in greece withowt permition
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Post by greekslav on Nov 24, 2007 11:27:51 GMT -5
again u cry for greeks blah blah and u entry in greece withowt permition You speak as if Albanians are the only illegals in Greece. Just like those dumbass Americans that catagorize illegals as Mexicans. It's wrong and not the case. There are illegals in Greece that are not Albanians. So stop slamming only one people as "illegals" in Greece. Albanians have a big beef with the Serbs. If you had seen what the Serbs did to the Albanians all over the area when Yugoslavia dissolved, and continuing today, you would not like them nor their supporters much at all. Frankly I do not see why Greeks like the Serbs so much. And if one speaks of us being Christian brothers, well, that's a poor excuse. Why support Serb atrocities just because we are the same religion?
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Post by ahristos on Nov 24, 2007 14:22:59 GMT -5
BIG PROBLEM ARE ALBS IN GREECE EVERY BODY KNOWS IT
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Post by greekslav on Nov 24, 2007 23:49:00 GMT -5
No wonder. You ask the Albanians in Greece to kiss Greek feet, accept and convert to Orthodoxy, and you expect them to say "right away, Master"?
And when did all the Albanians become a problem in Greece? It is only a minority that cause so much problems. You have much more that want to do good, but all Albanians in Greece has been tagged as "bad". This puts all the good Albanians between a rock and a hard place, with their hands tied behind their backs. Greece gives them a "no win" situation.
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 25, 2007 0:39:58 GMT -5
The majority of ALbs in Greece are hard working individuals...who are there to make a few bucks and do good. A lot of Greeks are prejudiced against them... thinking that if they are Albanian they must be thieves and up to no good... the positive side to this is that most Greeks are easily swayed into accepting Albanians and even liking them.... this of course happens as soon as they actually meet an Alb and start taking to them... and they quickly find out they their belongings and themselves are still intact ... then they rub their chin and say .."Mmmmmmm " ;D
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Post by Teuta1975 on Nov 25, 2007 1:28:27 GMT -5
Canaris, always a pleasure exalting you!
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Post by Mimi on Nov 25, 2007 6:57:26 GMT -5
Yeah thats it thanks for understanding, its very hard to like those people who support the people who murdered, abused, raped, provoked, slaughter you name it, your people. We have so much anger towards the Serbs for abusing us in so many years, they tried to get rid of us by force, in the most brutaliy way and now we are expected to forget that it every happened and supposed to believe that they want what is good for my people? NO WAY, the key to move on is to never have to look over our shoulders again and separate forever really Canaris, what you said about supporting us? hmmm i am shocked, were you being sarcastic? lol,,,,anyway thank you for heartwarming posts canaris and greekslav, your gonna get karma for that lol ;D
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Post by greekslav on Nov 25, 2007 11:17:33 GMT -5
I know for a fact that it is extremely difficult to sway a Greek once the mind has been made up about something. Like me for instance. I refuse to be swayed into believing that all Albanians are thieves and murderers just by the actions of a few. My mind is made up and impossible to be changed.
Mimi, you are right. I am totally convinced of your statement. I have seen it for myself in the early 90's in the Balkans. I may be Greek but I do not support the Serbs, nor do I like most of them. But still, I do not believe all are capable of such treachery. The Greek/Serb brotherhood is all about common hates, common enemies and religion. Nothing else.
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Post by leandros nikon on Nov 25, 2007 11:50:59 GMT -5
as i see,the term "epirote" refers to the greeks alone,and this should shut some "epiriot" ;D mouths for sure...look boys,it was a war,as greeks were trying to liberate north epirus...and we did liberate this territory three times during the previous century...but the great powers did not wish greece to become bigger and stronger,bcz they would control us less easily than before...for your information,venizelos was asked to choose which territory he wanted for greece:eastern aegean islands,or n.epirus...he had chosen the aegean islands...
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Post by leandros nikon on Nov 25, 2007 11:59:52 GMT -5
greekodyssey.typepad.com/my_greek_odyssey/2007/02/the_autonomous_.htmlThe Autonomous Republic of Northern Epirus On January 31, 1914, the Great Powers demanded that Greece withdraw her troops from Northern Epirus otherwise they would not recognise Lesbos, Chios and Samos (also liberated during the First Balkan War) as Greek. The Greek Government acquiesced in this decision and withdrew its garrisons from the area which they had occupied during the Balkan Wars. During the Balkan Wars, Greek troops liberated all of historic Epirus including Koritsa, Argirokastro, Agios Saranda, Klisoura and Chimara. The Northern Epirotes reacted immediately and on February 16 by establishing a provisional government under Giorgios Christakis Zografos. The following day, independence was proclaimed in Argirokastro. The Albanians reacted violently, committing atrocities against the Greeks in the towns that were surrendered to them by the Greek Army ( Koritsa and Kolonia). The Northern Epirotes took up arms and were quickly reinforced by Greek volunteers from all over Greece. A war ensued between the Northern Epirotes and the Albanians, who were lead primarily by Italian officers. The following is a brief time-line of the campaign: March 2: The Greek Army leaves the Chimara area. The Albanians attack the village of Vouoni. They are quickly repulsed. March 7: The forces of Northern Epirus defeat the Albanian Army at Kodra. March 15: Northern Epirus forces attack the Albanian Army forcing them out of Klisoura. March 20: The local Greeks of Koritsa liberate their town from the Albanian occupiers. March 24: The Albanian Army recaptures Koritsa. April 9: Albanian troops are repelled at Piliouri. April 12: An Albanian unit is decimated by Cretan volunteers at Logara. April 18: The Albanian Army occupies Fort Busi on the Chimara-Agios Saranda road. April 25: The Northern Epirus Army, after a 3-day battle, routs the Albanian Army who flee leaving 500 dead on the battlefield. The government of Albania agrees to negotiate with the Northern Epirus government accepting all its interim demands. April 26: Negotiations begin at Corfu. May 5: The Protocol of Corfu is signed. As a result of the drubbing administered by the Greeks of Northern Epirus, Greece, Albania and the Great Powers recognize Northern Epirus' Greek character and accept its autonomy. The religious, linguistic and educational rights of its population are established, a clear recognition of the special interest of Greece in that region.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 25, 2007 16:24:05 GMT -5
"It was war"... yea, the same war Serbs were fighting in the village of Srebrenica...
And it wasnt war, Greece was supposed to evacuate that territory, but instead evacuating it, it left guerilla's in the region that prayed on innocent civilians.
And bring real sources, instead of ones from your Greek websites... although I expect such from the two most despicable nations of the Balkans.
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 25, 2007 17:12:48 GMT -5
"...with a fervour of tone and action that was soon wound up to the highest pitch of fury; as if with one voice, the word was given, 'Out with your swords!' and the Albanian army, both horse and foot, rushed down into the plain." -- Hobhouse, on the Albanian defeat of French troops in Egypt.
When I made a comment about Albanians parading around as Turks... and committing atrocities against Greeks ..you said it ain't so...yet you so proudly display in your signature those TurkoAlbs doing the dirty work of the Pashas of the Ottoman empire...
Oh yea.... how could you even call them the Albanian Army...are you ashamed of yourself.. to lie like that..
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Post by donnie on Nov 25, 2007 17:29:27 GMT -5
Fighting in their traditional formations while wearing their traditional garbs tells us the opposite; that they weren't parading as Turks. There were Christians among the Albanian irregulars fighting in Egypt.
Furthermore, Toskaliku's quote doesn't mention any 'atrocities', but rather a battle between two fighting parties. Nobody denied that Albanians were oftenly hired as mercenaries due to their reputation as brave and fierce warriors. But that doesn't mean we automatically burned children alive and gang-raped helpless women. Infact, the art of being a mercenary is something we two share. Greeks too, have a tradition of being mercenaries ever since antiquity. Remember Xenophon? If we're to believe ancient sources, as many as 30,000 Greek mercenaries aided King Darius and the Persians against Alexander the Great at the battle of Issos, 333 BC.
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 25, 2007 17:39:50 GMT -5
Spartans even teamed up with the Persians to do battle against the Athenians..... so what... I didn't start this thread..someone asked a question as to why rebel Greek guerrillas attacked Albanians... and I said they considered them Turks...or collaborators... or both..
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 25, 2007 17:49:34 GMT -5
Hobhouse mentioned this because he was quite amazed with the abilities of Albanian soldiers in the battlefield. In fact, the battle description is longer and quite fantastical. The troops were called Albanians and were led by Albanian leaders, not Turkish nor Egyptian(as in, the locals called them Albanians). They were simply mercenaries and I quoted it because they defeated a Napoleonic detachment. Albanians defeated soldiers of Napoleon... it means something to me that we could do this...
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