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Post by terroreign on Feb 4, 2008 20:53:51 GMT -5
Wow that was inspirational, I'm proud of you Mimi
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Post by tyson on Feb 5, 2008 6:29:28 GMT -5
i always assumed that albanians do not care if their ethnic brethren are catholic , orthodox or muslim, and put much more importance on albaniandom rather than religion.
albanian christians from the south are traditionally of the greek-rite church, so why should they change their religion ? they dont need to convert to bektashism to prove their alleigence to albaniandom. plus to my knowledge, albanians were all originally a mixture of christians of the latin-rite and greek-rite before islam was brought by the invading occupiers, so those orthodox albanians are just staying true to their roots, so they should be honored, and not humiliated by telling them to convert to another religion to be accepted as equals.
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Post by donnie on Feb 5, 2008 11:28:12 GMT -5
Kassander is half-Bosniak, hence he is also a more religious Muslim. Most Albanians, however, care about whether you're Christian or Muslim, whether you're Catholic/Orthodox or Sunni/Bektashi.
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Post by ilirian123 on Feb 5, 2008 12:13:28 GMT -5
so those orthodox albanians are just staying true to their roots, its not true, albanians roots are in paganism same as many nations.I have stated in another topic that : Religions in Albania are foreign cultures brought by foreign nations. Personaly i dont give a *hack* about any religion and it doesn't bother me much what other albanians believe.To me all are the same.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 5, 2008 12:48:59 GMT -5
So who was your God during pagan times?
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Post by kasso on Feb 5, 2008 15:27:40 GMT -5
Dijedon, keep it clean from personal insults, I'm 100 % Albanian while you have some bad Serbian stock
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Post by tyson on Feb 5, 2008 17:30:41 GMT -5
Most Albanians, however, care about whether you're Christian or Muslim, whether you're Catholic/Orthodox or Sunni/Bektashi. you mean they dont care, right?....
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 5, 2008 18:15:09 GMT -5
Dijedon, keep it clean from personal insults, I'm 100 % Albanian while you have some bad Serbian stock Donnie... I think the above quote is an attempt to 'own' you... and by God ..it comes close... ;D
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Post by Teuta1975 on Feb 6, 2008 1:21:19 GMT -5
I don't think it's time for Albanians to change religion. Albanians have converted and reconverted for many reasons in the course of history such as: survival, (as to maintain their identity), profits and\or dictatorship. I don't see any profit of Albanians changing religion all of a sudden, especially from Orthodox to Muslim! Why should they? They don't even practice it. Albanians are not gonna look any better in front of Europe if they converted again...unless there is a strong reason such as to be admitted in EU. If this is the case, so be it. I would convert very quickly to whatever...but I would be overall Albanian.
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Post by ilirian123 on Feb 6, 2008 14:08:04 GMT -5
Kanaris i did not live in paganism times , so i can't answer to you the question who was my God, nor any ancient greek including yourself has something to root up with orthodoxy. I believe that if you read few point on greek religion you are going to agree with me as well. Orthodoxy was brought to Greece too. According to the history of Orthodoxy, the first who came in the Greek World to preach Christianity was St Paul in 49 AD. But, the real founder of Orthodoxy was the Emperor Constantine the Great. According to history, Constantine was converted to Christianity in the 4th century after a vision of the cross.That is how the “Greek Orthodox Church” appeared. By the 8th century, the Pope of Rome and the patriarch of Constantinople started to argue on many points. Some of the many differences of opinion opposing the spirituals chiefs are: the celibacy of the clergy (priests in Rome had to be celibate whereas the orthodox priests could marry before becoming ordained), some differences in the way of fasting or over the wording of the Creed: for the Orthodox the Holy Spirit proceeds “from the Father” whereas Rome added “and the Son”. That is how the "Greek Orthodox Church" appeared.
Etymologically, Orthodox means “right belief”.
I do apologise to you as i have no intention to talk about orthodoxy but cmon don't go as far as "Etruscan Cult".
And as far as Albanian/Illyrian religion was, it is that they had many Gods.Thanks that we in Albania have a strong division of religion from the state. You might say that the same apply to Greece but isn't true. Officially and like in all European countries, the Greek State and the Orthodox Church are separated. This separation is not written or regulated by the Constitution and the Greek Orthodox Church has a great power in Greek society. Religion is present in many different sections of the Greek society. For example, the Orthodox Church is very present in the education sector and children have obligatory religious courses . The Orthodox Church is also much integrated into the politic matters of the country and every time a new decision taken doesn’t suit with the Orthodox principals, it is always followed by great disapprovals from Church’s representatives.
And you know what, again, personaly i don't give a "hack" what religion is one or another. To me is just a political institution which can not reform human beeing because it dictate to humans what to do and what not, while Laws can do that perfectly.
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Post by Pejoni on Feb 7, 2008 9:45:40 GMT -5
Kassander is half-Bosniak, hence he is also a more religious Muslim. Most Albanians, however, care about whether you're Christian or Muslim, whether you're Catholic/Orthodox or Sunni/Bektashi. I knew it was smth strange with him ;D
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Post by donnie on Feb 7, 2008 10:07:25 GMT -5
Most Albanians, however, care about whether you're Christian or Muslim, whether you're Catholic/Orthodox or Sunni/Bektashi. you mean they dont care, right?.... Yes. That was a typo. I meant to say they don't care. How is it an insult to say you're half Bosniak and religious? As for being 100 per cent Albanian; you said it yourself, that you're 1/2 Bosniak. I'm not making this up. How does it come close?
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 7, 2008 11:12:40 GMT -5
You said you were not born in Kosovo... but in Sweden or some other place like up there... so in a way.... you're less a Kosovar than the ones that are born there..
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Post by Teuta1975 on Feb 7, 2008 23:05:33 GMT -5
Canaris, where were you born? And how long have you been away? Just to see how Greek are you though?
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Post by donnie on Feb 8, 2008 10:44:24 GMT -5
You said you were not born in Kosovo... but in Sweden or some other place like up there... so in a way.... you're less a Kosovar than the ones that are born there.. I never said I was born in Sweden. I've said I have lived most of my life here. I was born in Prishtina, Kosova.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 8, 2008 12:32:24 GMT -5
Oh,my mistake then....
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Post by terroreign on Feb 8, 2008 17:11:18 GMT -5
Donnie, why do you type it "Kosova"? Why not "Kosove" which is how it truly should be typed
Its like serbs typing Kosovo, "Kosovoe", doesnt make too much sense...
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Post by Pejoni on Feb 8, 2008 20:19:47 GMT -5
^ You are correct there.. its Kosovë
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Post by donnie on Feb 8, 2008 21:13:31 GMT -5
Donnie, why do you type it "Kosova"? Why not "Kosove" which is how it truly should be typed Its like serbs typing Kosovo, "Kosovoe", doesnt make too much sense... None of these two versions are incorrect. In the Albanian language, place-names as well as personal names come in a definite and indefinite article. Kosova is the definite article; Kosovë the indefinite article. Both are correct. However, the letter 'ë' is unusual in most languages. Insisting on Kosovë as opposed to Kosova, when none is incorrect, makes little sense .... why so much, unnecessary, trouble?
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Post by Teuta1975 on Feb 9, 2008 14:06:44 GMT -5
Donnie, Allow me to express the deepest sympathy for your knowledge of Alb. language. Are rare people like you, who being in a foreign country for a long time, know and preserve the Alb. language. Not to count the fact that you were born in Kosovo. Truly, sometimes I think your Albanian is even better then mine!!! (The English too) Congratulations. T.
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