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Post by telemaque on Aug 18, 2008 14:33:39 GMT -5
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 18, 2008 14:43:43 GMT -5
Not going to happen. The reason I say this is because Im very sure that EU wont back such a move for fear of alienating Albania. Greece will remain silent on this, and even if it wasnt, without EU pressure Greece cant do anything.
Even Albania's most corrupt politicians would be afraid of passing this move since they would all be immediately discredited as Grekophils. Passing such a move would be political suicide and would immediately prove the country that all these men have their hands in the pockets of foreign influences.
So, all in all, Omonia will do what it does best: complain. There is no other power they wield.
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Post by gysi on Aug 18, 2008 14:45:38 GMT -5
If Greece makes Albanian official too than that would be fair
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Post by beratsimistrec on Aug 18, 2008 15:02:16 GMT -5
maybe on paper it won't happen, but in reality a lot of people throughout Saranda dhe Gjiro speak Gayreek.
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 18, 2008 15:10:22 GMT -5
They can speak whatever they want. Many of them are Albanians who visit the country from Greece. They are like Albanians who come from America and speak English amongst each other... Hell I have even heard Greeks here complain about how everyone in their country now likes to speak English. That will pass as time goes on. Those Albanians who want to stay in Greece will go back to Albania less and less as their connections to the country deteriorate(they take Greek spouses, buy land in Greece, lose Albanian speech completely and eventually get Greek citizenship). Those Albs who decide to stay will eventually re-assimilate into Albania.
Speaking Greek is a fashion now resulting from the fact that its such a wealthier nation. When I lived in Tirana, I would speak Italian with my friends constantly. We thought it was the hip thing.
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Post by beratsimistrec on Aug 18, 2008 15:18:28 GMT -5
They can speak whatever they want. Many of them are Albanians who visit the country from Greece. They are like Albanians who come from America and speak English amongst each other... Hell I have even heard Greeks here complain about how everyone in their country now likes to speak English. That will pass as time goes on. Those Albanians who want to stay in Greece will go back to Albania less and less as their connections to the country deteriorate(they take Greek spouses, buy land in Greece, lose Albanian speech completely and eventually get Greek citizenship). Those Albs who decide to stay will eventually re-assimilate into Albania. Speaking Greek is a fashion now resulting from the fact that its such a wealthier nation. When I lived in Tirana, I would speak Italian with my friends constantly. We thought it was the hip thing. Italian should be a second language in Albania not Greek. Speaking Greek is not a fashion, never was and never will be. There are small villages that speak Greek naturally like Dropulli in Gjirokaster, and for the Albanian immigrants in Greece they decide their own fate once they're there. I don't pity them at all, they made sacrifices to go to Greece, the same sacrifices we all made to leave Albania and they could make to immigrate to other countries. They have to deal with the laws of that country or go someplace else si ne te tjeret.
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 18, 2008 15:22:57 GMT -5
Most of what people learn in Albania comes from the TV that you watch. When in Tirana, I watched all Italian shows and learned Italian through it. In the south, even starting around Vlora but becoming far more prevalent further down, you can watch a heavy amount of Greek TV. I remember when i was young and i was staying in Vlora, my cousins were watching TV in a language I couldnt comprehend at all. They were watching American cartoons, on a Greek TV station. Something I figured out later. In areas like Saranda, a heavy amount of TV is from Greek stations that Albs pick up. So kids watch that TV. As Albanian TV develops more it will slow down considerably. But these kids are learning something, they know who they are and as do their parents... so it doesnt matter all that much. Plus the Saranda zone has a considerable amount of Grekfolje villages.
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Post by beratsimistrec on Aug 18, 2008 15:33:51 GMT -5
Most of what people learn in Albania comes from the TV that you watch. When in Tirana, I watched all Italian shows and learned Italian through it. In the south, even starting around Vlora but becoming far more prevalent further down, you can watch a heavy amount of Greek TV. I remember when i was young and i was staying in Vlora, my cousins were watching TV in a language I couldnt comprehend at all. They were watching American cartoons, on a Greek TV station. Something I figured out later. In areas like Saranda, a heavy amount of TV is from Greek stations that Albs pick up. So kids watch that TV. As Albanian TV develops more it will slow down considerably. But these kids are learning something, they know who they are and as do their parents... so it doesnt matter all that much. Plus the Saranda zone has a considerable amount of Grekfolje villages. A lot of people in Saranda are bilingual and they speak Greek and Albanian but most of the people in Saranda are Cham. The Vlonjat I know all speak Italian too lol...I wouldn't worry about Vlora, that's Albania's patriotic front. I know that Dropulli gets all their news in Greek I don't think they even have Albanian tv shows.
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Aug 18, 2008 15:55:33 GMT -5
A lot of people in Saranda are bilingual and they speak Greek and Albanian but most of the people in Saranda are Cham. The Vlonjat I know all speak Italian too lol...I wouldn't worry about Vlora, that's Albania's patriotic front. I know that Dropulli gets all their news in Greek I don't think they even have Albanian tv shows. Lots of Labs from Kurveleshi are calling Saranda home nowadays. I for one am not worried about Saranda. As a matter of fact I'm not worried about any of the cities in the South. The only area heavily Greek remians Dropulli and to a degree Himara. Those pose no problems.
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Post by beratsimistrec on Aug 18, 2008 16:25:49 GMT -5
A lot of people in Saranda are bilingual and they speak Greek and Albanian but most of the people in Saranda are Cham. The Vlonjat I know all speak Italian too lol...I wouldn't worry about Vlora, that's Albania's patriotic front. I know that Dropulli gets all their news in Greek I don't think they even have Albanian tv shows. Lots of Labs from Kurveleshi are calling Saranda home nowadays. I for one am not worried about Saranda. As a matter of fact I'm not worried about any of the cities in the South. The only area heavily Greek remians Dropulli and to a degree Himara. Those pose no problems. I wonder who came up with the name Kurveleshi hehehe The majority of Sarandiotes are Cham though.
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Post by Kanaris on Aug 18, 2008 16:37:06 GMT -5
According to the CIA Factbook... it says>>>
They have Greek as the second most talked language....
Who lives in that area?
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Post by beratsimistrec on Aug 18, 2008 16:58:55 GMT -5
According to the CIA Factbook... it says>>> They have Greek as the second most talked language.... Who lives in that area? With the exception of some old people throughout the Gjirokaster, lower laberia area ALBANIANS. Vlachet jane coban, but they are Albanian too as are gypsies and other citizens of Albania. We recognize the Greek language because we are not apes and were not raised to behave like apes. In my opinion, Italian deserves to be deserved as a second language because everyone in Albania speaks it, from the north to the south. We learn it from tv and become fluent as if it was our second mother language lol
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Post by Teuta1975 on Aug 18, 2008 17:16:02 GMT -5
It may be applied only and exclusively on those areas where Greek minority lives; (even though I believe it already exists) Why on earth should people in Shkodra have Greek as a second language? Further more, it can be done when Albanian is put as a second language in Greece. After all, Albanians in Greece are more than Greeks in Albania; if Albanians in Greece do not have the Greek citizenship (people born there particularly), then it is their right to demand their mother tongue. It is up to Greek government: either giving the Greek citizenship to all Albanians in Greece, or allow Albanian language. As simple as that. But Greeks do not want to give Albanians born in Greece the Greek citizenship, do not want to allow them their language, and with no scrupulous, require that Albania have Greek as a second language!!! Is there any logic here?
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 18, 2008 17:58:59 GMT -5
Who knows. But those people have been plagues to the Ottomans....
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Aug 18, 2008 19:04:50 GMT -5
Very Ironic, considering 99% of them do not actually speak Greek.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 18, 2008 20:04:09 GMT -5
It s time for a Greek minority population census in Albania
The Greeks in Albania are mistreated and do not enjoy their human rights. The Albanian Police Station in Himara are Greek haters ,racists the beaten Ethnic Greeks why the spoke Greek. It is evident with the recent public murder of Pyrros Bollanos that the Albanians hold hatred for all Greeks. The whole of Albania supported the murderer and the conclusion is that the Greek minority live in Albania unprotected. Albanian authorities are trying to assimilate them. The Greek Army should cross the Border and protect the Greek Minority in Albania.
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 18, 2008 21:02:21 GMT -5
God Bless the murderer of Pirro Bolano. I wish he could be pardoned. BLEDI XHAFERI, HERO KOMBETAR!!! ;D
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Post by Teuta1975 on Aug 18, 2008 21:07:44 GMT -5
Why was he murdered?
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 18, 2008 21:10:25 GMT -5
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Post by Teuta1975 on Aug 18, 2008 21:20:47 GMT -5
Well, the person who committed the murder was "mentally challenged"?
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