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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 18, 2008 21:26:18 GMT -5
Truth be told, thats what I've heard from most news stories about this incident. This particular article is pretty slim on details, outside of the description of how he killed him... but anyways... Bledi... te rrofshin duart...
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Post by Prespari on Aug 18, 2008 22:47:57 GMT -5
I fail to understand why Greek should be declared as Albania's second official language when the Greek minority now numbers less than 30,000 -20,000 people. Not only that the Greek language has official status in the upper and Lower Dropull komunes and within other komunes of Saranda and Delvina.Isuues regarding Narta, Himarra, Palasa and Dhermi, should be sorted out, but beyond that where do greek speaking people reside within Albania for more than a hundred years. Are Greek the majority population of northern Shkoder or Durres ? Yes i know many Greeks still dwindle on the thought that all orthodox albanian speakers should be 'civilised' by learning the 'glorious' helenic language and culture but most do not share that view, and many of them are fervernt albanian nationalists. Some of them back in the early 19th century where some of the cheif proponets of the albanian nationalsit awakening even before muslims albanians came on board.
How about Greece recognizing the Albanian language as a cultral language within thesprotia, Preveza's Fanari comune, Konitsa's Plikati village, and the albanian cluster in Florina(Lekhovon, Dhrospiyi and Flambourion). Its the least that Greece could do to foster a climate of reconciliation omongst the two states.
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Post by beratsimistrec on Aug 18, 2008 23:00:02 GMT -5
I fail to understand why Greek should be declared as Albania's second official language when the Greek minority now numbers less than 30,000 -20,000 people. Not only that the Greek language has official status in the upper and Lower Dropull komunes and within other komunes of Saranda and Delvina.Isuues regarding Narta, Himarra, Palasa and Dhermi, should be sorted out, but beyond that where do greek speaking people reside within Albania for more than a hundred years. Are Greek the majority population of northern Shkoder or Durres ? Yes i know many Greeks still dwindle on the thought that all orthodox albanian speakers should be 'civilised' by learning the 'glorious' helenic language and culture but most do not share that view, and many of them are fervernt albanian nationalists. Some of them back in the early 19th century where some of the cheif proponets of the albanian nationalsit awakening even before muslims albanians came on board. How about Greece recognizing the Albanian language as a cultral language within thesprotia, Preveza's Fanari comune, Konitsa's Plikati village, and the albanian cluster in Florina(Lekhovon, Dhrospiyi and Flambourion). Its the least that Greece could do to foster a climate of reconciliation omongst the two states. Narta and Dropulli are the only real Greek villages left in Albania, Bollano Kurva is just a sellout, well no he's just an Albanian politician.
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 18, 2008 23:10:50 GMT -5
There are a few others beside these areas.
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Post by beratsimistrec on Aug 18, 2008 23:13:05 GMT -5
There are a few others beside these areas. pa ajde me trego kush jane keta "few others". Jam shume curious ;D
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 18, 2008 23:16:54 GMT -5
Im not saying there are many, the vast majority are located in the very south, but it is more then just Dropul, Finiq is another one. I believe around seven villages voted for Omonia, so those ones should be seen as Greek ones. Nevertheless, their numbers are pathetic and small and Chams completely surround them...
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Post by Prespari on Aug 18, 2008 23:18:24 GMT -5
Dhe une.........?
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Post by beratsimistrec on Aug 18, 2008 23:26:05 GMT -5
Im not saying there are many, the vast majority are located in the very south, but it is more then just Dropul, Finiq is another one. I believe around seven villages voted for Omonia, so those ones should be seen as Greek ones. Nevertheless, their numbers are pathetic and small and Chams completely surround them... who do Chams "surround"? Chams are not in one general area, they are all over Albania. Saranda is mostly Cham, but Narta is surrounded by labs not chams. If you're not familiar with that area then just say so.
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Aug 18, 2008 23:32:08 GMT -5
who do Chams "surround"? Chams are not in one general area, they are all over Albania. Saranda is mostly Cham, but Narta is surrounded by labs not chams. If you're not familiar with that area then just say so. Toskali is right. Finiq comes to mind but there are a few other villages as well that were recognized as Greek-speaking even during Hoxha's time. I can ask my dad who grew up in Delvine. Even Delvina has a quarter that is minoritare. What Hoxha didi is mix Chams, Labs, Vllehe and Greeks in the Far South to create a buffer zone. Konispol I think is predominantly Cham.
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 18, 2008 23:35:15 GMT -5
Konispol is not simply Cham, it is a Cham center. There is a memorial there in memory of the Cham genocide...
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Post by beratsimistrec on Aug 18, 2008 23:39:29 GMT -5
who do Chams "surround"? Chams are not in one general area, they are all over Albania. Saranda is mostly Cham, but Narta is surrounded by labs not chams. If you're not familiar with that area then just say so. Toskali is right. Finiq comes to mind but there are a few other villages as well that were recognized as Greek-speaking even during Hoxha's time. I can ask my dad who grew up in Delvine. Even Delvina has a quarter that is minoritare. What Hoxha didi is mix Chams, Labs, Vllehe and Greeks in the Far South to create a buffer zone. Konispol I think is predominantly Cham. Well the only regions that have not been "mixed" as you say are Narta and Dropulli, so I'm right not Toskali lol. Delvina is near Saranda which means those "minoritare" are probably just Cham
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Aug 18, 2008 23:44:52 GMT -5
Well the only regions that have not been "mixed" as you say are Narta and Dropulli, so I'm right not Toskali lol. Delvina is near Saranda which means those "minoritare" are probably just Cham Well the region is mixed but some of the villages are not. There are a few villages in the Sarande-Delvine area, like Finiq, that are exclusively minoritare. There are also Albanian Orthodox villages. As for Delvine I'm pretty sure they're not Cham. They are minoritare. I think my dad knows the difference. There are 5 neighborhoods in Delvine, 3 are Albanian Moslem, one Albanian Orhtodox and the other Greek Orthodox. The Greek Orthodox spoke a broken Albanian.
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Post by beratsimistrec on Aug 18, 2008 23:49:00 GMT -5
Well the only regions that have not been "mixed" as you say are Narta and Dropulli, so I'm right not Toskali lol. Delvina is near Saranda which means those "minoritare" are probably just Cham Well the region is mixed but some of the villages are not. There are a few villages in the Sarande-Delvine area, like Finiq, that are exclusively minoritare. There are also Albanian Orthodox villages. As for Delvine I'm pretty sure they're not Cham. how are you pretty sure?? Remember what we said about tosk Albanians saying they're tosk? how many actual Chams would say they are Cham? ;D
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Aug 18, 2008 23:53:17 GMT -5
how are you pretty sure?? Remember what we said about tosk Albanians saying they're tosk? how many actual Chams would say they are Cham? ;D Pretty sure since all Chams in Albania are Moslem and minoritaret are Christian Orthodox. I've never heard of Chams claiming they're minoritare.
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libofsha
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Post by libofsha on Aug 19, 2008 6:22:22 GMT -5
i think its time for a more aggressive policy towards these pockets of instigators trying to incite enthic devide, enough of this pissant bullshit, time to squash it
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Post by beratsimistrec on Aug 19, 2008 9:39:59 GMT -5
how are you pretty sure?? Remember what we said about tosk Albanians saying they're tosk? how many actual Chams would say they are Cham? ;D Pretty sure since all Chams in Albania are Moslem and minoritaret are Christian Orthodox. I've never heard of Chams claiming they're minoritare. ALL Chams are Muslim? since when? lol and since when is all of Delvina claiming they're "minoritare"? Is that what your dad claims, since you said he's from there? All I'm saying is that Delvina is not an all minority zone like Narta and Dropulli.
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Aug 19, 2008 10:23:43 GMT -5
ALL Chams are Muslim? since when? lol and since when is all of Delvina claiming they're "minoritare"? Is that what your dad claims, since you said he's from there? All I'm saying is that Delvina is not an all minority zone like Narta and Dropulli. I think something is getting lost in translation here. My understanding is that all Chams in Albania are Moslem. And I didn't say that Delvina is all minoritare, I said one of the five neighborhoods in Delvine was Greek-speaking, the other 4 are Albanian.
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Post by beratsimistrec on Aug 19, 2008 10:26:37 GMT -5
[quote author=ngadhnjyesi board=shqiperiaalbania thread=10468 My understanding is that all Chams in Albania are Moslem. [/quote] Not all, but the majority yes
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Post by Prespari on Aug 20, 2008 23:39:35 GMT -5
Most cams are muslim, there are a few indigenous villages that are chrisitan cam in albania such as Sopik, Mursi, Cifliq etc.
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Post by gysi on Aug 22, 2008 14:28:31 GMT -5
Pirro Bollano wasn't Himaras mayor was he and was he related to Vasil Bollano ?
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