gysi
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Post by gysi on Sept 12, 2008 2:51:13 GMT -5
The albanian government should do like greece does in albania there are only albanians and in greece there are only greeks the rest are just guests with limited rights .
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Post by meltdown711 on Sept 12, 2008 3:46:37 GMT -5
What Albania should do is nationalize all education and prohibit all private institutions or just dont recognize their diplomas. That would solve a lot of problems, Greeks being only one minor one. But of course, papa EU wouldnt like a state having that much sovereignty over its people and vice versa....
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libofsha
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Post by libofsha on Sept 12, 2008 6:26:52 GMT -5
Shouldn't Albanians be looking forward instead of backward? That's your choice, if you do want to move forward then RESPECT international laws and treaties such as Protocol of Corfu of 1914 being one. international law? then recognize the genocide against cham population and give back their land and possessions you snatched away from them
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Post by libofsha on Sept 12, 2008 6:28:56 GMT -5
this is simply ridiculous, i hope, i really fuking hope this is just speculation!!!! this should be allowed only and if the greek government reciprocates the gesture, only when they sit down and talk about the cham issue and allow albanian schools to be open in greece
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Post by chalkedon on Sept 12, 2008 7:32:52 GMT -5
whts there to talk about ? a couple thousand nazi collaborators got shafted when they took the side of the enemy. Whats the problem again
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Post by kasso on Sept 12, 2008 9:15:32 GMT -5
We are talking here about two totally different groups. The Greeks are a native people to this region, the albanians are just immigrants, guest workers, they are no minority. That doesnt mean they have no right to have own schools in Greece, but minorities are more legitimated. Greece have also Albanian national minorities, but who they do not recognize. The situation in Greece for minorities and immigrants is worse than any country in Europe.
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 12, 2008 9:17:09 GMT -5
libofsha had the Chams not collaborated with the fascists, they’ll still be living in Greece in peace and be very happy. As far as we are concerned justice has been served.
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gysi
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Post by gysi on Sept 12, 2008 16:23:54 GMT -5
I wonder what happened to greek nazi collaborators ( don't say there were none) did they get sent to germany ?
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 12, 2008 17:07:27 GMT -5
^ They were all killed. Now going back to this schooling .... any one can open a school as long as the cost comes out of their pockets.
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Post by albquietman on Sept 12, 2008 23:11:22 GMT -5
libofsha had the Chams not collaborated with the fascists, they’ll still be living in Greece in peace and be very happy. As far as we are concerned justice has been served. How about the muslim population of Greece, did they collaborate with the fascists? If no, why they were expelled to Turkey? It was an ethnic cleansing Arxileas and nothing else, because it weren't only some chams that collaborated with fascists, but greeks too, but greeks weren't expelled from Greece as far as I know...
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 13, 2008 5:53:34 GMT -5
How about the muslim population of Greece, did they collaborate with the fascists? If no, why they were expelled to Turkey?
That's for another topic. And is something you're not aware of the real facts. If one is to make such slander on another country, they out to back them up facts and not become some self declared scholars of all known things on the internets. Yes they were regardless of ethnicity NO ONE was unpunishable. .
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libofsha
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Post by libofsha on Sept 13, 2008 8:16:39 GMT -5
libofsha had the Chams not collaborated with the fascists, they’ll still be living in Greece in peace and be very happy. As far as we are concerned justice has been served. just like the arvanites, who can proudly claim their albanian descent freely and openly today, just like hundreds of albanian speaking villages in northern greece have the right to learn their mother tounge and practise their basic human rights....this is the reward of greece to albanians who gifted them thir independence, ah the greek brand of justice.
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Post by libofsha on Sept 13, 2008 8:25:03 GMT -5
whts there to talk about ? a couple thousand nazi collaborators got shafted when they took the side of the enemy. Whats the problem again the problem expat, is that, these 'couple of thousand' became a spcapegoat for ethnic cleansing, i'm not talking about loss of life, life is expendable in conflict, whether we like it or, we should all accept that, i'm talking about the rest of the chams and albanians who got punished for no reason, the greek agenda leveraged off these pockets of nazi collaborators to carry out an extinction of the albanian trace in greece, general Zervas was the number one ally with the nazis....but to this day you hold him as a hero, he personnally sanctioned the deaths squads to brutally massacre albanian villages, but the punishement did not stop here, this used this excuse to ban anything albanian, to assimilite and strike fear into the albanians.
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Post by libofsha on Sept 13, 2008 8:28:10 GMT -5
^ They were all killed. that kunt zervas wasn't! he was given carte blanche to unleash gencocide on albanians!
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 13, 2008 8:43:12 GMT -5
just like the arvanites, who can proudly claim their albanian descent freely and openly today, just like hundreds of albanian speaking villages in northern greece have the right to learn their mother tounge and practise their basic human rights....this is the reward of greece to albanians who gifted them thir independence, ah the greek brand of justice. They aren't Albanians now, since they want NOTHING to do with you. I have said it on another occasion, it was always was the Arvanites who abused the Albanian immigrants majority of the times also they are the foremost anti Albanians on the internets. Did you know there was an Arvanite who was refuting your culture and history recently on here in the Illyrian forums ? Off course he never mentioned it coz he's a proud Greek. The more you claim the Arvanites as something they do not want to be, the more they'll despise you for it. As for that kunt Zervas, he was under British / American orders and not the Greeks so put it up with them and leave Greece out of this. Then again I have quotes stating that the Arvanites were seperate from the Albanians, if your nice and polite enough I may just post them.
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Post by libofsha on Sept 13, 2008 14:05:23 GMT -5
They aren't Albanians now, since they want NOTHING to do with you. you can't choose to be someone else out of a whim or because you are fed up from being smth, the fact is that they are of albanian stock, whether they accept it or not, from personnal experience in athens they were always very eager to speak their language and admit the fact that they are of albanian descent, they told me how in their house the primary language was indeed albanian, this is my first hand experience....and not some hearsay from a forum member with a clear national propaganda at heart, they always expressed a kinship to the motherland and wanted to visit it, they told me how they always had to hide the fact that they were albanian for fear of persecution, this speaks a lot about greece and the extent of their democracy. well i don't exclude that several miserable pseudo-greek dispicable creatures do refuse their identity, they have spat on their culture, they have pissed on their past, history, family and embraced a alien culture just so that they culd fit in, they traded their soul for riches....i personnally consider this category of scum as the vermin of society, they have no loyalty and no 'besa', i suppose they are greek after all, whilst we call them the scum of the earth, you guys proudly showcase them as devout greeks, personnally any human being that denies who he truly is merits no respect and i wouldn't want to be associated with them. oooooo arqile, don't you get it? this is not how a well educated person of sound intelect reasons, this is a dumb statement to make, not to mention nonsensical and contradictory, its also a very evil and abhorrible statement, its evil because if indeed they do hate who they are then this is the product of the sinister greek policy to take away the self worth from the albanian arvanites and turn them into an empty shell where once resided the legacy of the great albanian epiriots steeped in rich history and warrior blood, but to get back to your stupid statement, its not about who they choose to its about who they are, if you deny who you are than you are a worthless, and i fail to see how you can support such a phenomenom provided it is as you say, even though my personnal experience begs to differ. what are you talking about? his memorial is to be found in arta to this day [qoute]Then again I have quotes stating that the Arvanites were seperate from the Albanians, if your nice and polite enough I may just post them.[/quote] how were they separate? up until 1920 their only language was albanian, they culture was distinctly albanian, even their leaders claimed to be albanian openly, why are you twisting history as you see fit? why can't you for once just look at things as they are without greek shades on?
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Post by adolfmussolini on Sept 14, 2008 15:29:27 GMT -5
If I could I would close all the Greek schools in Albania. A lot of "Greek" minorities from Albania feel more Albanian anyway, because they've been rejected by Greece, called shitty Albanians, koloalvanoi, like the rest of the Albanian immigrants. Then when they see other regular Albanians feeling proud they feel guilty.
Even the "Greek" minorities from Dropulli(which is like the only "pure" Greek minority zone in Albania) feel more Albanian and don't agree with Greek chauvinistic ideas of "Northern Epirus". Just a thought there for all the Greek Einsteins in this group.
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